Looking Good For Huracan Performante,The New Benchmark

[Juno]

RamboLambo said:

Yipper said:

Agreed, but game-changing seems justified on this one. A ~650bhp HP -- with perhaps 10-20% less bhp-per-tonne -- has thrashed a 900-950bhp LF, P1 and 918 round the Nurb...

What's been announced officially then ?
I fail to see how that bhp/weight combo can do the claimed times without some skulduggery

Just wait and see my friend just wait and see

[Juno]

TP321 said:

GameOverMan! said:

Oh come on ladies,

Why are you still on about track times when the reality is so far away from the real world.

In the real world who cares, and most decisions are based on - does it look awesome, does it sound awesome, does it make you giggle like a small boy/girl.

Is it the new benchmark, probably for a nano second until something else is released in 2017. But really who cares - buy it, drive it, get really giddy, lose a lot of money and move on and repeat.

Alternatively, enjoy a classic for what it is and keep it for the enjoyment it continues to give.

Each to their own path.

GoM

Spot on

All these new cars, Performante, 720s, etc, will be faster than the current ones, but that doesn't make them desirable or beautiful. The Huracans proportions still don't look right to me - it looks "stubby" at the front, needs a longer bonnet. If performance was all that mattered, we would all be driving a 911 Turbo.

Edited by GameOverMan! on Friday 17th February 17:47

I get your point about track times in the real World and not being the be all and end all.

However the track times are very indicative of the handling characteristics of a car and what it can or cant do.

Keeping it simple you will not get a good track time unless the vehicle has,Good Balance,Stability,Turn In and the opportunity to get on the throttle as early as possible on corner exit without upsetting the rear too much. The speed you carry down the straights is very relevant to corner exit speed and therefore easily compromised if you have a car that cant get on the power early when coming out of the corners.

Obviously the ability to brake late and carry corner speed are also important but these generally come with the a fore mentioned characteristics.

If a car has a 1000BHP but can only deploy the full 1000bhp when above 150MPH then you have to ask yourself for how much of the lap will the 1000BHP have actually been used,probably in truth very little. That's the reason its just not a case of power to weight in gaining a good lap time!

If the car has the above abilities and it won't have lapped as quick as it did without them you will have a package capable of doing what you ask of it. There's nothing worse than having a stack of power when all the chassis gives you is under steer followed by lift off over steer and a rear end with grip that wont transmit the available power to the surface.

In closing the Lambo lap time is telling you that this car must be overtly better in all these departments than say a P1 or 918 which cant be a bad thing when sitting in the driving seat

Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th February 12:36

[Juno]

Yipper said:

That's not near Stanford Bridge is it ?

[Juno]

Its been doing a tour of Portugal, appears the Cat is a little out of the Bag now

Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th February 22:30

[Juno]

RamboLambo said:

Juno said:

Its been doing a tour of Portugal, appears the Cat is a little out of the Bag now

Maybe its the dirty black colour but apart from a fixed rear wing and different exhausts tips I'm not really getting a fizz in my pants from that photo. Game changing ????

You are missing the point,game changing is the way it will drive,dirty paint and a dull colour won't come in to it

[Juno]

vettura è molto veloce, molto veloce

[Juno]

Yipper said:

Hope you enjoyed the skiing,just think what you could achieve on the slopes If you could apply ALA to your skis

The viewing was very informative but can't say anything, I think there was a lap time board but so much going on that I can't remember the track or times of all the cars

Like the aero info

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 16:54

[Juno]

I remember when Jenson Buttons Brawn had a little trickery going on at the back, If I remember it was a new idea and worked quite well? I think he won the F1 World Championship with it

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 08:55

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 09:08

[Juno]

isaldiri said:

Juno has become the new rambo with 'active aero' replacing the 'carbon tub' i think....at least said carbon tub had a verifiable weight advantage with the Mclaren weighing on average 80-100kg less than a Comparable Ferrari/lambo.

All this guff about active aero (which as i keep on saying relative to the weight of the car probably is nothing at most cornering speeds) is getting funnier and funnier. Comparing it to the 2009 F1 double diffusor...? Brilliant.

What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?

The point about the 2009 Brawn has been totally missed by you so let's point it out in Simple terms

And the point is, Brawn did something totally different to everybody else and gained a massive advantage by taking an alternative route, this was then copied by the others in order to catch up! It has nothing to do with comparing a 2009 F1 car with a Performante, I hope I've made that clear for you

However the clever part is Lambo have patented it for what it might be worth in the future?

Also as in my earlier post,you read the information and you can work out it's not all about power to weight, it's about usable power to weight!

If you just want to add st like "O" Juno is the new Rambo then so be it but it adds nothing to the debate about a new technology to make a road car handle better and outperform cars with much higher BHP per Tonne!

Seems some people with little knowledge just like to throw around anectdotal slurs to be nothing more than controversial for the sake of being controversial oketounge:

"O" one more thing,Please DON'T compare me to Rambo

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 11:46

[Juno]

Yipper said:

Active aero or magic beans, the end-result is the same. It looks like a £250k car with 650bhp has smashed three $1m cars with 900bhp around the Ring. By a huge margin. Lots of Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche models suddenly starting to look very dated.

+1 Lol

[Juno]

br d said:

Juno said:

What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?

Jumped the shark there Juno. You have no idea what cars or experience isaldiri has with this stuff, poor form.

Edited by br d on Sunday 19th February 14:43

It's a Question? (What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?) asking for a reply and casts no aspersions on what he may or may not have driven or what he may or may not know, so I don't see how I have jumped from anywhere to anywhere!

Also it is he that said "Juno has become the new rambo with 'active aero'" So I think the poor form lies elsewhere?

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 16:58

[Juno]

sardis said:

Hey Juno, don't worry too much about the Wooshy badge fanboys losing their collective sense of humour. I remember all the claims about the P1, multiple visits to the Nurburgring, Ron Dennis and his 10 second a lap faster than anything else at Dunsford etc. They simply couldn't deliver and Porsche took the crown.

Lambo seem to have done it properly and will present the video evidence on the 23rd to prove it, good for them. It would appear that ALA is a genuine advance forward, plus the changes they have made to the suspension, gearbox, tyres and engine response, like they did to the Superleggera. Personally I am looking forward to seeing it at Geneva and driving around in my bog standard Huracan basking in the reflected glory of the Performante.

I can't begin to imagine how exciting it must be to have one on order. Please keep us updated and the very best of luck with it. Who needs a graphite cage and piped in engine sounds to make life thrilling....

Well said that Man We will deliver the Pie for eating very soon

[Juno]

isaldiri said:

Juno said:

What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?

Merely a little bit I suppose. Sufficient however to realise unless the performante produces a whole heap more downforce than any other road car (which it won't especially given it's ride height as seen from the test car at the 'ring), the downforce won't be enough to make a substantial difference given the 1500+kg weight of the car (and that's without a driver). And also enough to realise if it produces that much downforce to make the kind of performance gain talked about, it'll have to be very stiffly sprung and be a pretty awful road car.

Still, hardly a surprise, a lot of people it seems are very good at self justifying whatever they buy and believing any amount of marketing hype no matter how far fetched from the manufacturer is included. Enjoy your car when it arrives.

In all seriousness I only buy cars that float my boat and I'm quite eclectic and not led by any form of hype etc. I had already ordered the Perfa before I had any idea of the ring time,just because I liked the look and emotion that the V10 delivers.

So its a quick ring car which is great and I can assure you its not compromised too much on the road, however it will be funny when they finally post the time

I think the car will be nearer to 1400 than 1500kgs ?

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 18:04

[Juno]

RamboLambo said:

Juno said:

It's a Question? (What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?) asking for a reply and casts no aspersions on what he may or may not have driven or what he may or may not know, so I don't see how I have jumped from anywhere to anywhere!

Also it is he that said "Juno has become the new rambo with 'active aero'" So I think the poor form lies elsewhere?

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 16:58

Poor Form ?. I resemble that comment

You should take that as a compliment of the highest degree

Edited by RamboLambo on Sunday 19th February 19:26

Accepted Public fame at last,I might re name my profile RamboJuno Seriously though as much as I like a few cars I would have been tempted to pool the funds and have bought a 675LT ?

[Juno]

br d said:

Juno said:

br d said:

Juno said:

What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?

Jumped the shark there Juno. You have no idea what cars or experience isaldiri has with this stuff, poor form.

Edited by br d on Sunday 19th February 14:43

It's a Question? (What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?) asking for a reply and casts no aspersions on what he may or may not have driven or what he may or may not know, so I don't see how I have jumped from anywhere to anywhere!

Also it is he that said "Juno has become the new rambo with 'active aero'" So I think the poor form lies elsewhere?

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 16:58

Do you know what, you're right mate. On reading that back I think I misunderstood your angle, I thought you were being disrespectful to a forum regular. I was wrong.
Please accept my apologies.

Duly Accepted

Ps I think I've been on here for 15 or more year now Lol,Joined 12/07/2003

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 21:16

[Juno]

br d said:

Juno said:

br d said:

Juno said:

br d said:

Juno said:

What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?

Jumped the shark there Juno. You have no idea what cars or experience isaldiri has with this stuff, poor form.

Edited by br d on Sunday 19th February 14:43

It's a Question? (What do you know about aero or driving cars with aero ?) asking for a reply and casts no aspersions on what he may or may not have driven or what he may or may not know, so I don't see how I have jumped from anywhere to anywhere!

Also it is he that said "Juno has become the new rambo with 'active aero'" So I think the poor form lies elsewhere?

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th February 16:58

Do you know what, you're right mate. On reading that back I think I misunderstood your angle, I thought you were being disrespectful to a forum regular. I was wrong.
Please accept my apologies.

Duly Accepted

Ps I think I've been on here for 15 or more year now Lol

Well you've been here longer than me then!

I'm still waiting for some confirmation of these figures though, I've heard too many superlatives before to take this stuff at face value.

If you turn out to be right, I may be running back to Lambo myself!

If I am wrong I will eat a whole pack of Toasted tea cakes, I am NOT eating my own hair!!!

Found this one dated well before PH, oooops OMG I am going to get pasted

[Juno]

MDL111 said:

PurpleAki said:

That's a racecar for the road. Bloody ridiculous thing and it costs about £2M. Hardly a level playing field. There's too much of a grey area involved in what constitutes a road car these days.

Fair point
Don't think it has any relevance for enjoyment of a road car anyway - they are all too fast - therefore I would buy a 812 instead of tthe performante any day to get a high revving Ferrari v12

812 Looks epic, any idea of cost to a decent spec ? I'm still young enough to like Mid Engine cars but the 812 is appealing !!!

[Juno]

Its as stiff as a deceased Badger, no idea how it works but I've touched it,tried to bend it and tried to break it but failed

AshBurrows said:

Hooray for swan neck wings.

Can anyone explain how their new cool looking carbon actually has strength? It looks like it'd be far far worse than woven type composites? Essentially it's a load of "chips" suspended in resin with no real structure. Looks very nice but I just can't understand how it's working.

[Juno]

PurpleAki said:

What's the lead time on these? Or the McLaren 720s? Looking at 2020 delivery for a 812 Superfast. 3 years is just too much IMO so sod that.

You wont get a Performante now,very over subscribed

[Juno]

AshBurrows said:

70proof said:

http://www.quantumcomposites.com/pdf/papers/2011-A...

hth

Thanks! I'll have a read at lunch.

Juno said:

Its as stiff as a deceased Badger, no idea how it works but I've touched it,tried to bend it and tried to break it but failed

Are you getting one Juno? I'd love to have a look round one so if you're ever in the area/doing a track day, please let me know!

Yes I have one on order and have been told March i'sh next year