Pulled by the police for no front number plate

[r o n n i e]

Tye Green said:

slightly off the focus of the thread title but: if its £100 fine for having no front plate or an otherwise non-compliant plate, is it also £100 for a complelety incorrect plate?

e.g. If my name's Jon could i just stick JON1 (assuming no other car usually carries that plate) on my ford fiesta which usually bears a typical 2010 plate and pay the £100 as that would be much cheaper than buying the JON1 plate?

You seriously can’t tell the difference between not having a front plate (in the context of this discussion mainly for aesthetic / vanity benefits), versus your suggestion of fraudulently and deliberately displaying a completely false number plate?

In one scenario I can imagine a conversation with plod saying some bs like “the front must have fallen off”…

For your scenario, what would one say??? Someone else made up fake plates and attached them to your car without you noticing?

£100 NIP vs rightly getting arrested.

[Tye Green]

in what way would that be fraudulent if its taxed, mot'd and insured as per the correct 2010 plates?

[CoolHands]

Tye Green said:

in what way would that be fraudulent if its taxed, mot'd and insured as per the correct 2010 plates?

Because you just made up a plate? Unless I’m missing something

[r o n n i e]

Tye Green said:

in what way would that be fraudulent if its taxed, mot'd and insured as per the correct 2010 plates?

You first asked “is it also £100 for a complelety incorrect plate?” You then provided example registration number “JON1”.

Is your car taxed, MOT’d and insured under the registration “JON1”??

If No, how is that not fraudulent?

[Tye Green]

r o n n i e said:

Tye Green said:

in what way would that be fraudulent if its taxed, mot'd and insured as per the correct 2010 plates?

You first asked “is it also £100 for a complelety incorrect plate?” You then provided example registration number “JON1”.

Is your car taxed, MOT’d and insured under the registration “JON1”??

If No, how is that not fraudulent?

if the car is taxed, mot'd and insured on its 2010 pate (say BK10 ABC) and I stick a plate on which reads JON1 instead of BK10 ABC, in what way is that fraudulent? the car is fully legal except its got a nicer plate stuck on it. why is that a different scenario to a Lambo which has the letters mis-spaced, letters which are too small, altered, "C" changed to "O" by strategic placing of the securing bolt or even no plate on at all? is there still a risk of a £100 fine or is it a different offence altogether?

[r o n n i e]

Tye Green said:

r o n n i e said:

Tye Green said:

in what way would that be fraudulent if its taxed, mot'd and insured as per the correct 2010 plates?

You first asked “is it also £100 for a complelety incorrect plate?” You then provided example registration number “JON1”.

Is your car taxed, MOT’d and insured under the registration “JON1”??

If No, how is that not fraudulent?

if the car is taxed, mot'd and insured on its 2010 pate (say BK10 ABC) and I stick a plate on which reads JON1 instead of BK10 ABC, in what way is that fraudulent? the car is fully legal except its got a nicer plate stuck on it. why is that a different scenario to a Lambo which has the letters mis-spaced, letters which are too small, altered, "C" changed to "O" by strategic placing of the securing bolt or even no plate on at all? is there still a risk of a £100 fine or is it a different offence altogether?

Thanks for clarifying that I had understood you.

My response remains the same, if you use number plate “JON1” instead of your actual registration “BK10 ABC” then its fraud.

Will leave it here as this is drifting off topic - this thread is about not having a front plate, not using false number plates which is a different and much more serious fraudulent matter.

[Taffy66]

Putting a false number plate on a car is a much more serious offence than not displaying a front plate. Not having a front plate is a £50 FPN and having a front plate with the correct numerals in the correct size but incorrect spacing is a £100 FPN. I know all this because it happened to a convoy of Ferraris who got pulled in a couple of weeks ago.

[johnnyreggae]

Tye Green said:

in what way would that be fraudulent if its taxed, mot'd and insured as per the correct 2010 plates?

Quick google says its up to 2 years inside - from an older post here

S44 VERA 1994

Sum: £5000 fine
Crown: 2 yrs imp. fine or both.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...

[WCZ]

you'll get in a lot of trouble if you start putting on false plates and you'll get pulled very quickly too as the road traffic officers anpr system will flag it

false plates are there for people with stolen cars or those who want others to pay speeding/parking fines so use someone elses plates of an identical car

[Tye Green]

johnnyreggae said:

Tye Green said:

in what way would that be fraudulent if its taxed, mot'd and insured as per the correct 2010 plates?

Quick google says its up to 2 years inside - from an older post here

S44 VERA 1994

Sum: £5000 fine
Crown: 2 yrs imp. fine or both.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...

Sentencing Council says...

Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994, s.44 contains 3 "Examples of nature of activity", the second of which is "Forged licence bought for own use, or forged/ altered for own use". in other words its the same offence as altering a "6" to look like a "G". this is why i asked and so far all responses have been guesses.

[Bunty Killa]

If you have a supercar no need for a front plate and if hypercar, forget about the rear plates as well

[y700suf]

Resurrecting this thread, I wanted to check what the likely consequences / costs of a NIP received in the post for not having a properly installed front registration plate are likely to be?

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y700suf said:

Resurrecting this thread, I wanted to check what the likely consequences / costs of a NIP received in the post for not having a properly installed front registration plate are likely to be?

Depends on the person pulling you over.

They could give you a telling off in which case the consequences are basically some stress from being pulled and a waste of your time.

More likely now is being issued the standard £100 NIP. I understand a number of constabularies post covid are more actively pulling cars over for this misdemeanour.

[y700suf]

Thanks although the bizarre circumstances in my situation are that I received a NIP in the post citing a violation relating to the reg plate missing.

I don’t even know whether it was a stationary camera or a mobile unit that caught me. There is no identifier in the notice I have received.

[thebraketester]

Just put a front number plate on then you don’t have to bother with all this bullst.

[davek_964]

y700suf said:

Resurrecting this thread, I wanted to check what the likely consequences / costs of a NIP received in the post for not having a properly installed front registration plate are likely to be?

If your username is actually your registration, I'd expect them to be more concerned with the fact that you've have no MOT since December.

[964Cup]

andrew said:

+100%

Because it involves drilling holes in a £5000 part. I have a stick-on plate on my 3RS for that reason, and will take my chances.

[mko9]

Ferruccio said:

willy wombat said:

I just don’t understand why some people are so keen to not have a front number plate. Why give the police a reason to stop you?

Exactly.
They aren’t interested if your vehicle gets stolen, even if it’s fitted with a tracker so they know exactly where it is, but they’re happy to spend ages on something like this, and fine you, if it takes their fancy.

The police don't make money for finding your stolen vehicle...

DamanC said:

The bracket is sold by Lamborghini. Requires drilling into the front bumper IIRC

Lamborghini are well aware of license plate requirements. If they present a half-assed solution, maybe owners could take it up with them.

[Cold]

964Cup said:

Because it involves drilling holes in a £5000 part. I have a stick-on plate on my 3RS for that reason, and will take my chances.

But the holes will be covered up by a rectangular piece of plastic.

[Soleith]

The Roma is similar to others here, the front plate is either a drilled plinth or a 3rd party thing. Like others on here, I looked at the Carbonio holder but prefer an uninterrupted front colour streak on the front of the bumper so decided to just go with the factory option after briefly flirting with the idea of a sticker/no plate.

Glad I did, it's nice and central and I don't worry about it at all. It's less about the fines and more about the hassle.