Another Gallardo buying question

[madmedman]

Dear all,

My search for a gallardo continues. I need some help from you all.

I have found one car, exactly the spec I would love to have. Only issue is that the service history has been lost. MOT history dates back to 2015 and its a 2004 car. I have been told that it was bought in Italy and the buyer drove it home. He subsequently died and his brother then sold the car. There is a gap where the car potentially sat and not being driven or serviced. From 2015, the mileage history is consistent. I have not seen the car yet. Its about 300 miles from me.

Would you suggest I do a PPI and anything else?

I will appreciate any input, comments.

Cheers mates.

[TBCTBC]

I'd run a mile personally - a PPI will pick up the state of the car now but probably not a lot of what has happened in the past.

Have you contacted a dealer to see if an electronic, online service record was kept?

[madmedman]

TBCTBC said:

I'd run a mile personally - a PPI will pick up the state of the car now but probably not a lot of what has happened in the past.

Have you contacted a dealer to see if an electronic, online service record was kept?

Hi. Thank you. I am quite cautious as well about this car. I haven't spoken to a dealer yet. I was told that an independent JM imports in Newcastle last serviced it. From the looks of it, I dont think a main Lamborghini dealership has serviced it, from as far as the seller is aware. Also, it may be the paranoid in me, but the seller is new and the company was registered in 2021. But this may not be relevant

Thanks.

[70proof]

Both the prev cars you link look good, always thought top gear had good stock, an engine change means you have a younger engine...

Might come down to money, and colour choice, black hides the lines and looks stealth imho

This last car, if it's much cheaper than due diligence might get you a bargain. How much cheaper is it, I suppose the aranchio car is the benchmark

[70proof]

ghost83 said:

The yellow one has now gone from vvs ffs

Anyone know of any LP 560s in green available

Verdi lps are as rare as hens teeth, I know, I own one

[ghost83]

70proof said:

Verdi lps are as rare as hens teeth, I know, I own one

Yeah I’m looking for a 2012 LP
Don’t like the diagonal strakes on the 2013

The performante/superleggeras seem silly money

Green yellow orange black or a like the grey,

There are a couple of greys on autotrader but they’re 2008/2009

Also it seems coupes are preferred why is this?
Seems to be lots of spyders for sale

[madmedman]

70proof said:

Both the prev cars you link look good, always thought top gear had good stock, an engine change means you have a younger engine...

Might come down to money, and colour choice, black hides the lines and looks stealth imho

This last car, if it's much cheaper than due diligence might get you a bargain. How much cheaper is it, I suppose the aranchio car is the benchmark

Thank you very much. Thats very sensible. The more i see these orange gallardos, the more i prefer the colour. But at times, I think it would be best to go for a black and stealthy car. I am still taking my time to decide which one to go for.

There is also yellow manual in Ireland,

https://www.donnellyautomotive.co.uk/used/cars/lam...

But its a 2004 car, described as 2006. DVLA shows mileage of 40k but the ad states 20. Also, its £75k when i asked.
Also, why on earth would anyone paint the Cassiopeia wheels black. They look out of this world in silver with any colour car.

Edited by madmedman on Tuesday 2nd May 16:49

[zedmtrappe]

ghost83 said:

The performante/superleggeras seem silly money

Out of curiosity I just had a look at UK asking prices and yes some are pretty high .... but in Europe ... sweet jesus the asking prices for Performantes are getting on for €100K higher than they were this time 2 / 2.5 years ago ( ie: nearly double).

I sold mine (LHD euro spec Perf) in Feb '21 for what I knew was a low price, considering the car did have some minor issues, patchy service history and I wanted a quick sale .... bloody hell does that look like a horrendously bad call now ...

Wow!

[madmedman]

Guys, gals,

Any thoughts on this one?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207268...

to me a few things stand out. The coilovers, are they going to be a problem? I spoke to dealer and there was a suspension problem, hence the change of suspension arms and coilovers. Would this put someone off?

Also, does the interior wear in keeping with the mileage?

[andrew]

madmedman said:

Guys, gals,

Any thoughts on this one?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207268...

to me a few things stand out. The coilovers, are they going to be a problem? I spoke to dealer and there was a suspension problem, hence the change of suspension arms and coilovers. Would this put someone off?

Also, does the interior wear in keeping with the mileage?

i've never heard of a car requiring new suspension arms unless it's hit a kerb
the leather often looks tired after modest mileage - my alcantara looks infinitely better than that after four times the mileage

eta, garbage like this would really put me off the dealer :

Factory Fitted Extras
Three layer - Arancio borealis
£2,100
Arancio borealis
£2,191
Leather- Leather Package I
£344
Three layer paint
£2,191
Total value of factory fitted extras
£6,827

Edited by andrew on Tuesday 2nd May 19:14

[madmedman]

andrew said:

i've never heard of a car requiring new suspension arms unless it's hit a kerb
the leather often looks tired after modest mileage - my alcantara looks infinitely better than that after four times the mileage

eta, garbage like this would really put me off the dealer :

Factory Fitted Extras
Three layer - Arancio borealis
£2,100
Arancio borealis
£2,191
Leather- Leather Package I
£344
Three layer paint
£2,191
Total value of factory fitted extras
£6,827

Edited by andrew on Tuesday 2nd May 19:14

Thats very helpful. I wondered myself why would the car need new suspension arms without it being involved in an accident. But the aged interior and the way the car is described in the ad really put me off as well. Shame as from outside, the car looks lovely.

So far, all cars with the gated manual have some apparent issues.

The arancio from topgear was originally silver and had had a colour change by non-lambo dealer, engine changed by lambo but 67k miles are a bit high and i will struggle to sell if down the line.

This one checks all the boxes for me, but the mileage goes up and down as per the mot history. But I am going to speak with BDM (who did the last service) and see if they remember the car:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301103...

I am losing my mind.

Edited by madmedman on Tuesday 2nd May 20:02

Edited by madmedman on Tuesday 2nd May 20:03

[70proof]

The pictures of the black car say low miles, only looked on my phone, speak to backdraft also, but I will look at pics on a pc tomorroe

[ghost83]

zedmtrappe said:

Out of curiosity I just had a look at UK asking prices and yes some are pretty high .... but in Europe ... sweet jesus the asking prices for Performantes are getting on for €100K higher than they were this time 2 / 2.5 years ago ( ie: nearly double).

I sold mine (LHD euro spec Perf) in Feb '21 for what I knew was a low price, considering the car did have some minor issues, patchy service history and I wanted a quick sale .... bloody hell does that look like a horrendously bad call now ...

Wow!

Is a superleggera worth 2 lp gallardos though? If the average price of an LP is 75-90k is a sl worth 160k plus?

Also when you say sold low how low we talking


To add: just because they’re listed at that prove doesn’t mean they will sell, at that price point you can get into a huracan or 720s which are obviously much newer and still have 30k change!

Edited by ghost83 on Wednesday 3rd May 09:36

[andrew]

madmedman said:

Thats very helpful. I wondered myself why would the car need new suspension arms without it being involved in an accident. But the aged interior and the way the car is described in the ad really put me off as well. Shame as from outside, the car looks lovely.

So far, all cars with the gated manual have some apparent issues.

The arancio from topgear was originally silver and had had a colour change by non-lambo dealer, engine changed by lambo but 67k miles are a bit high and i will struggle to sell if down the line.

This one checks all the boxes for me, but the mileage goes up and down as per the mot history. But I am going to speak with BDM (who did the last service) and see if they remember the car:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301103...

I am losing my mind.

Edited by madmedman on Tuesday 2nd May 20:02

Edited by madmedman on Tuesday 2nd May 20:03

here, the list of options is all bar two items, standard kit
makes you question how many lamborghinis they handle, how familiar the are with them, and how they'd sort any issues ???

[ex-devonpaul]

madmedman said:

So far, all cars with the gated manual have some apparent issues.

You are looking at cars knocking on 20 years old, so quite a lot of them will have some sort of "history". Ideally a nice thick wodge of invoices with tallying mileage would be nice, but amazing how many dealers seem to mislay service books for cars and not care. It might be coincidence, but I've bought 2 ex lease auction cars and neither had paperwork, although in both cases a phone call to a main dealer confirmed a full history.

I wouldn't get too hung up about a dealer listing standard stuff as options, a lot of Autotrader stuff is copy and paste if they get the spec from the VIN. Sure Andrew has a point about them not knowing the cars, but the 2 most expensive "manual" Gallardos out there seem to be missing a pedal, even Postman Pat can count to 3 on his fingers, and certainly one of the dealers should know better.

The sun is out, the roads are dry, and you are finding it harder and harder to find the right car. At this point it is extremely easy to buy the wrong one

[ghost83]

ex-devonpaul said:

You are looking at cars knocking on 20 years old, so quite a lot of them will have some sort of "history". Ideally a nice thick wodge of invoices with tallying mileage would be nice, but amazing how many dealers seem to mislay service books for cars and not care. It might be coincidence, but I've bought 2 ex lease auction cars and neither had paperwork, although in both cases a phone call to a main dealer confirmed a full history.

I wouldn't get too hung up about a dealer listing standard stuff as options, a lot of Autotrader stuff is copy and paste if they get the spec from the VIN. Sure Andrew has a point about them not knowing the cars, but the 2 most expensive "manual" Gallardos out there seem to be missing a pedal, even Postman Pat can count to 3 on his fingers, and certainly one of the dealers should know better.

The sun is out, the roads are dry, and you are finding it harder and harder to find the right car. At this point it is extremely easy to buy the wrong one

I second that, look at the silver gated manual at 65k
That has been for sale for the last 5-6yrs only passing between traders! The current trader bought it from collecting cars for 51k 2yrs ago and banged it up at 70k and now 65k! (That’s still 14k more than he paid)
All the other traders that had it for sale was around 56-63k and it’s never sold

Here’s the reason!

It was an Everyman racing supercar experience car
When I drove it over 10yrs ago it had the dash lit up like a Christmas tree, and if you’ve watched Matt Armstrong with his ex Everyman murci the amount of bodge jobs that they had done to that makes you wonder!

Hence why it’s been for sale around 6yrs
I personally think all gallardos under 100k are around 10k higher than they should be same with some mclarens

[madmedman]

ex-devonpaul said:

You are looking at cars knocking on 20 years old, so quite a lot of them will have some sort of "history". Ideally a nice thick wodge of invoices with tallying mileage would be nice, but amazing how many dealers seem to mislay service books for cars and not care. It might be coincidence, but I've bought 2 ex lease auction cars and neither had paperwork, although in both cases a phone call to a main dealer confirmed a full history.

I wouldn't get too hung up about a dealer listing standard stuff as options, a lot of Autotrader stuff is copy and paste if they get the spec from the VIN. Sure Andrew has a point about them not knowing the cars, but the 2 most expensive "manual" Gallardos out there seem to be missing a pedal, even Postman Pat can count to 3 on his fingers, and certainly one of the dealers should know better.

The sun is out, the roads are dry, and you are finding it harder and harder to find the right car. At this point it is extremely easy to buy the wrong one

Completely agree with you. Due to the age of these cars and how many hands they change, there is bound to be some issues with them. My main concern is that I avoid one with engine and gearbox issues, internal scuffing, fading, is totally acceptable. But I want one that doesnt need engine rebuild in the near future, but who can confirm. I am happy to overlook some missing history as long as the car is good there and then.

Yeah, so many e-gears are listed as manual that you wonder whether they are car dealers. This whether is really tempting me to just go for one car, but currently i am researching cars, the dealers and their company info as well Just in case the car breaks down when i am driving it home.

[madmedman]

ghost83 said:

I second that, look at the silver gated manual at 65k
That has been for sale for the last 5-6yrs only passing between traders! The current trader bought it from collecting cars for 51k 2yrs ago and banged it up at 70k and now 65k! (That’s still 14k more than he paid)
All the other traders that had it for sale was around 56-63k and it’s never sold

Here’s the reason!

It was an Everyman racing supercar experience car
When I drove it over 10yrs ago it had the dash lit up like a Christmas tree, and if you’ve watched Matt Armstrong with his ex Everyman murci the amount of bodge jobs that they had done to that makes you wonder!

Hence why it’s been for sale around 6yrs
I personally think all gallardos under 100k are around 10k higher than they should be same with some mclarens

Thanks for the headsup about that car. I checked collecting cars and wow, bought for 51k and now 65k. But I wouldnt go for a silver anyway.

There was another blue car, G7 MAT reg, still on sale on ebay, probably not taken off. That one probably changed dealer's hands, 68k by previous dealer and now 75k on sale by GTO. Gone up 7k in one month.

[madmedman]

70proof said:

The pictures of the black car say low miles, only looked on my phone, speak to backdraft also, but I will look at pics on a pc tomorroe

Thank you. Unfortunately, Mark from backdraft declined to disclose anything about the car. But I understand where he is coming from.

[ghost83]

madmedman said:

Completely agree with you. Due to the age of these cars and how many hands they change, there is bound to be some issues with them. My main concern is that I avoid one with engine and gearbox issues, internal scuffing, fading, is totally acceptable. But I want one that doesnt need engine rebuild in the near future, but who can confirm. I am happy to overlook some missing history as long as the car is good there and then.

Yeah, so many e-gears are listed as manual that you wonder whether they are car dealers. This whether is really tempting me to just go for one car, but currently i am researching cars, the dealers and their company info as well Just in case the car breaks down when i am driving it home.

What you are up against with the pre lp is unless they’ve had the cats removed the engines will have been sucking in material as they disintegrate therefore more likely need a rebuild on a pre lp than on the lp,

For a rebuild thread look at 4321go he’s just had his which has cost around 20k

Also to switch from e gear to manual is roughly 15k as I’ve enquired recently