Another Gallardo buying question

[andrew]

ghost83 said:

What you are up against with the pre lp is unless they’ve had the cats removed the engines will have been sucking in material as they disintegrate therefore more likely need a rebuild on a pre lp than on the lp,

For a rebuild thread look at 4321go he’s just had his which has cost around 20k

Also to switch from e gear to manual is roughly 15k as I’ve enquired recently

agreed the cats are a risk
but not a certainty
just had my cats removed as a precaution, and they were 100% intact after 15 years and 62k

[madmedman]

ghost83 said:

What you are up against with the pre lp is unless they’ve had the cats removed the engines will have been sucking in material as they disintegrate therefore more likely need a rebuild on a pre lp than on the lp,

For a rebuild thread look at 4321go he’s just had his which has cost around 20k

Also to switch from e gear to manual is roughly 15k as I’ve enquired recently

Thank you both,

yea, read his rebuild thread, build my trust in these gallardos, seems like he has been using it as a daily.

Guys any thoughts of the two cars on my shortlist (both Manual)?

1. Arancio 67k miles, but new engine by lamborghini, reason being the old engine dropped a valve seat, Hence the new engine has been installed 40k miles ago, sports CATs installed at the time of engine swap to protect it. Engine is the updated one. The rest of the car is 67k miles and interior doesnt look good. Also original colour was silver, repainted by mercedes dealer. 10k cheaper than the next. In Scotland and I am in Kent. Not sure if a PPI can be arranged there.

2. Nero, 25k miles, new clutch and fly wheel, interior and exterior looks good but mileage inconsistency in the MOT history. Dealer states error on part of the mot tester, but why would an error occur four times. Clocked or odometer problem? Cats changed in 2015. 10k more than the previous car. Out of my budget by 6k but not sure if they would reduce price.

I have removed the other arancio from the list as the interior of the car is incongruous with the 15k mileage, highly likely clocked. Also, not on original suspension.

Any ideas guys?

Can I also ask, my first supercar (car) shopping. Should I make offer first, then PPI, modify offer after PPI, deposit, then collect and pay. Or deposit, PPI, negotiate offer, then buy. Sorry, I know stupid question but no idea what to do.

Edited by madmedman on Thursday 4th May 18:02

Edited by madmedman on Thursday 4th May 18:07

[70proof]

hi, i'll appraise each car given i have a bit of time now....

the black car.... the pictures strongly suggest a low miles and well kept car. the seats are the biggest give away sign. if there are a stack of receipts for all repair work or servicing, then mileage should show as accurate on them, and....

ive put it through car vertical for you.... Lamborghini Gallardo
VIN NUMBER
ZHWGE11M34LA======
Generated on 2023-05-04 21:04Expires in 1 month

YOUR CAR AT A GLANCE
Mileage
No mileage fraud was disclosed by the report.

Theft
This vehicle is not wanted as stolen.

Accidents
There is no data about this vehicle being damaged.

Finance
Not recorded as having outstanding finance.

there are three bad readings with one crazy reading. i wouldnt discount this car, shame backdraft wont discuss it

Edited by 70proof on Thursday 4th May 22:07

[70proof]

the top gear orange car has had its drivers seat side replaced consistent with wear that occurs, again, condition of car reflects mileage - look at the marks on the gear knob, driver wore a ring, compare to the black car

advantage is it comes in budget
disadvantage is colour change but if it is a good paint job, who cares right, we are not talking about a concours purchase are we

current engine has still done twice the mileage of the black car

[70proof]

yellow car does look nice, agree likely 40k miles not 20, price above budget

poor advertising shouldnt put you off a dealer, you are buying the car at the end of the day

[70proof]

the second orange car, i assume this is the car from europe as mot's from 2015 only....

pics suggest is low mileage car, interesting its got a tape deck.....

big mot fail 2017 with ball joints gone so maybe thats why it had new arms .. shocks can leak, neighbour has a shock leak on a 765LT!!

maybe more bargaining position on this car given the sketchy history

[70proof]

so, none are perfect, and one is cheaper than the rest......

biggest issue with the black car is the mileage, as i said, i would expect a folder full of receipts given how well its been looked after and mileage should be accurate on them

sadly the leather seats are made of soft italian leather and so wear badly.. more so if you have heated seats, less so if perforated or cross stitched... many ads will not show the drivers seat properly, esp for spyders.... short trips with buttons on jeans etc will wear a seat irrespective of total mileage

personally, i wouldnt right off any of them.... biggest thing is budget really...

re buying, have to check them over... when i bought my first, i got the seller to take to a main dealer for a PPI which i paid for, and negotioated on final price after that... if it was near me, i'd happily go take a first look for you.. maybe others here might also.... black one is portsmouth, others up north i presume...

[70proof]

ghost83 said:

Yeah I’m looking for a 2012 LP
Don’t like the diagonal strakes on the 2013

The performante/superleggeras seem silly money

Green yellow orange black or a like the grey,

There are a couple of greys on autotrader but they’re 2008/2009

Also it seems coupes are preferred why is this?
Seems to be lots of spyders for sale

not wanting to derail the thread, but a verdi ithaca LP --- you might be looking for a long time... a lot of lp cars were bought in white and black at this time, white was the in colour.....i knew of 1 coupe other than mine, and saw 1 spyder on sale about 2016.... people love the colour but were simply not brave enough to spec it....

i think they sold more spyders in lp format, added to the drama, how many left might tell you.... if not, then a coupe attracts enough attention as it is but you can't hide in a spyder

[70proof]

madmedman said:

Hi all,

My search for the G continues.
I am torn between manual and e-gear. But I am open to both options. Can I get a bit of help?

Thanks.

i agree that the pre LP gallardo sounds better than an LP (i have had both and currently have an LP), but would recommend that you get the 'oldest' pre lp that you can get - read my buying thread, there were constant improvements over the years incl with reliabilty....

if you opt for the e gear, there are 2008 cars around the 70 mark, e gear is great fun, the engine blip it does down changing is addictive... personally, if i was spending 70k, i'd have a 08 e gear over an 04 manual, hope that helps

[ghost83]

70proof said:

not wanting to derail the thread, but a verdi ithaca LP --- you might be looking for a long time... a lot of lp cars were bought in white and black at this time, white was the in colour.....i knew of 1 coupe other than mine, and saw 1 spyder on sale about 2016.... people love the colour but were simply not brave enough to spec it....

i think they sold more spyders in lp format, added to the drama, how many left might tell you.... if not, then a coupe attracts enough attention as it is but you can't hide in a spyder

Yeah I know Ithaca just ain’t gonna happen, I was set to buy the yellow LP from vvs I’d been speaking to them for all the info I needed apart from how worn the brakes were, I was ringing up to place the deposit to be told it had sold literally a few hours before! Gutted was an understatement, I’d enquired about a manual conversion for it too!

Search continues I’m happy with black or the Grigio telesto or the yellow or green,

My main stipulation is it has to be 2011/2012 but not 2013

[70proof]

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14907838

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14576311

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14030490

[70proof]

and a coupe

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14233933

[70proof]

ghost83 said:

Yeah I know Ithaca just ain’t gonna happen, I was set to buy the yellow LP from vvs I’d been speaking to them for all the info I needed apart from how worn the brakes were, I was ringing up to place the deposit to be told it had sold literally a few hours before! Gutted was an understatement, I’d enquired about a manual conversion for it too!

Search continues I’m happy with black or the Grigio telesto or the yellow or green,

My main stipulation is it has to be 2011/2012 but not 2013

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14835483

what about this....

[ghost83]

70proof said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14835483

what about this....

Seen that, ideally I want a 560-4 rather than the rwd

[70proof]

If its a sun day fun car then rwd better than awd, if u using in rain and winter, go awd.... I intentionally bought rwd

Search for a jethro Bovingdon video on YouTube about gallardo as the last manual supercar

[ex-devonpaul]

ghost83 said:

Seen that, ideally I want a 560-4 rather than the rwd

I thought the RWD ones were more sought after at one point due to being lighter and supposedly a better drive?

As there are no front drive shafts, did they make the frunk larger or keep the same liner?

Paul

[ghost83]

Yeah they’re supposedly a better drive but my wife will be driving it as well and rwd scares her tbh

[ghost83]

madmedman said:

Completely agree with you. Due to the age of these cars and how many hands they change, there is bound to be some issues with them. My main concern is that I avoid one with engine and gearbox issues, internal scuffing, fading, is totally acceptable. But I want one that doesnt need engine rebuild in the near future, but who can confirm. I am happy to overlook some missing history as long as the car is good there and then.

Yeah, so many e-gears are listed as manual that you wonder whether they are car dealers. This whether is really tempting me to just go for one car, but currently i am researching cars, the dealers and their company info as well Just in case the car breaks down when i am driving it home.

What you are up against with the pre lp is unless they’ve had the cats removed the engines will have been sucking in material as they disintegrate therefore more likely need a rebuild on a pre lp than on the lp,

For a rebuild thread look at 4321go he’s just had his which has cost around 20k

Also to switch from e gear to manual is roughly 15k as I’ve enquired recently

[70proof]

Steering feel better in rwd as no front diff, and massive weight saving, frunk same so no chnage to luggage space

Rwd sacred me too, add to the drama, but to be honest it's got loads of grip

[70proof]