Insulting language on PH
Discussion
Bisonhead said:
Guys, its not about propaganda, victimisation or being precious. It is about mutual respect. If you tar one 'sweaty' with the generic Scottish stereotype, you are tarring all Scots. Please respect other peoples emotions and say only what you would like said to you
The whole basis and momentum of the nationalist agenda on the referendum was the thought that that Scots could stick 2 fingers up to the English. Look at any commentary website today - comments on media stories from pro and anti-union types, yet the underlying public comment is "The b
d English (or Scum seems to be quite popular) have screwed us", "No voters are traitors", "You've turned Scotland in to a region of Tory England" etc. We've had months, years of Scotland whinging and playing the victim and telling the English that we're to blame for all Scotland's ills. And as a half-scottish non-Tory Englishman, it sticks in the throat. Calling you a "sweaty" is absolutely f
k all compared to the toss that your more thick element have been directing south.To wit, you lot started it.
ORD said:
As others have said, it is regrettably much much worse the other way around, as I know having lived in Scotland for 4 years some time ago.
As a Scot who's spent half his life in Scotland and half in England I totally agree.ORD said:
I would be amazed if any Scot in England feels remotely as threatened and disliked as an Englishman in Scotland. I think that's the sad truth of it, and it explains why the "Yes" campaign was based very largely on prejudice against the English.
In England it's just gentle ribbing and never meant offensively. In the fact the only abuse I've ever experienced in England has been from Scots, oddly enough. Macho west coast types. SNP-voting, English-hating types. They sort of folk who delight in sniping and sneering at English people. Very nasty, vindictive attitude and shamful considering hwo accomodating the English are to the Scots who live in England.
ORD said:
Bisonhead said:
I have reported a post from the main referendum forum. Not because of what was said but the attitude behind it. I have a thick skin but I also would like to see a certain level of respect, especially on a forum of such morally high standing citizens.
I have kept my mouth shut at work until recently as I felt the name calling was starting to become disrespectful rather than good natured banter. I have now started letting people know that I am not happy with how they speak to me.
Guys, its not about propaganda, victimisation or being precious. It is about mutual respect. If you tar one 'sweaty' with the generic Scottish stereotype, you are tarring all Scots. Please respect other peoples emotions and say only what you would like said to you
Politeness is good and proper and right, but mandating it with threats of a cry of "racism" is over the top. The English and Scottish pick on each other and take the piss. It is how you know we are family.I have kept my mouth shut at work until recently as I felt the name calling was starting to become disrespectful rather than good natured banter. I have now started letting people know that I am not happy with how they speak to me.
Guys, its not about propaganda, victimisation or being precious. It is about mutual respect. If you tar one 'sweaty' with the generic Scottish stereotype, you are tarring all Scots. Please respect other peoples emotions and say only what you would like said to you
As others have said, it is regrettably much much worse the other way around, as I know having lived in Scotland for 4 years some time ago. I would be amazed if any Scot in England feels remotely as threatened and disliked as an Englishman (or, in my case, English-sounding Welshman) in Scotland. I think that's the sad truth of it, and it explains why the "Yes" campaign was based very largely on prejudice against the English.
Sorry that you have had a bad experience based on where you were born. I am in the opposite boat being that I have lived in England for 11 years but was born and raised in Scotland. The only times I have been in a physical confrontation is because I was picked on for my accent. I certainly wouldnt do the same to any Englishman I come across in Scotland. Of course bigotry and xenophobia is inherently wrong in this day and age. Its existence doesnt justify it or make it right.
Action doesnt justify another action, cant fight fire with fire etc etc.
I cant really comment on the Yes campaigns drivers as I didnt immerse myself into the referendum debate. I just watched from the sidelines and witnessed a lot of people become angry, bitter and resentful on both sides of the debate. Makes me sad
OpulentBob said:
Bisonhead said:
Guys, its not about propaganda, victimisation or being precious. It is about mutual respect. If you tar one 'sweaty' with the generic Scottish stereotype, you are tarring all Scots. Please respect other peoples emotions and say only what you would like said to you
The whole basis and momentum of the nationalist agenda on the referendum was the thought that that Scots could stick 2 fingers up to the English. Look at any commentary website today - comments on media stories from pro and anti-union types, yet the underlying public comment is "The bd English (or Scum seems to be quite popular) have screwed us", "No voters are traitors", "You've turned Scotland in to a region of Tory England" etc. We've had months, years of Scotland whinging and playing the victim and telling the English that we're to blame for all Scotland's ills. And as a half-scottish non-Tory Englishman, it sticks in the throat. Calling you a "sweaty" is absolutely f
k all compared to the toss that your more thick element have been directing south.To wit, you lot started it.
All I am asking is that we act like the adults we are and leave the name calling out
Bisonhead said:
Our self awareness and our ability to think subjectively of fellow humans that separates us from the other species on the planet.
I respect you because I am more than likely in a similar position to you. I have a rough idea of what you experience on a day to day level. I respect your thoughts and emotions because they are unique to you, its not my place to force my thoughts and emotions on to you. Or are you telling us that that is ok?
What lessons can you learn from less superior species and apply in your current situation?
I am also making an assumption that you have a level of self respect. I would imagine you brush your teeth, have an idea of what your body needs in order to survive, look after and love your family and friends, maybe even take pride in what car you drive and the standard in which you do it. Who tells us we have respect? You do. Who tells us what is/isnt insulting? You do
AFAIK humans are the only ones who war, who kill for sport as opposed to taking what they need, we are they only organisms that adapt our surroundings to suit instead of adapting ourselves to suit the environment we live in. Aminals groom themselves but i wouldnt call that self respect. Im just saying with an apparantly simplistic method of viewingI respect you because I am more than likely in a similar position to you. I have a rough idea of what you experience on a day to day level. I respect your thoughts and emotions because they are unique to you, its not my place to force my thoughts and emotions on to you. Or are you telling us that that is ok?
What lessons can you learn from less superior species and apply in your current situation?
I am also making an assumption that you have a level of self respect. I would imagine you brush your teeth, have an idea of what your body needs in order to survive, look after and love your family and friends, maybe even take pride in what car you drive and the standard in which you do it. Who tells us we have respect? You do. Who tells us what is/isnt insulting? You do
the world or withdrawing ones self and and trying to look at everything completely without any greyness (it is or it isnt). Hasnt let them wrong. at the end of the day im not sure its all about family, success, companionship whats the the point in taking things personally when we arent here for very long in the grand scheme of things
Bisonhead said:
OpulentBob said:
Bisonhead said:
Guys, its not about propaganda, victimisation or being precious. It is about mutual respect. If you tar one 'sweaty' with the generic Scottish stereotype, you are tarring all Scots. Please respect other peoples emotions and say only what you would like said to you
The whole basis and momentum of the nationalist agenda on the referendum was the thought that that Scots could stick 2 fingers up to the English. Look at any commentary website today - comments on media stories from pro and anti-union types, yet the underlying public comment is "The bd English (or Scum seems to be quite popular) have screwed us", "No voters are traitors", "You've turned Scotland in to a region of Tory England" etc. We've had months, years of Scotland whinging and playing the victim and telling the English that we're to blame for all Scotland's ills. And as a half-scottish non-Tory Englishman, it sticks in the throat. Calling you a "sweaty" is absolutely f
k all compared to the toss that your more thick element have been directing south.To wit, you lot started it.
All I am asking is that we act like the adults we are and leave the name calling out
vinnie01 said:
AFAIK humans are the only ones who war, who kill for sport as opposed to taking what they need, we are they only organisms that adapt our surroundings to suit instead of adapting ourselves to suit the environment we live in. Aminals groom themselves but i wouldnt call that self respect. Im just saying with an apparantly simplistic method of viewing
the world or withdrawing ones self and and trying to look at everything completely without any greyness (it is or it isnt). Hasnt let them wrong. at the end of the day im not sure its all about family, success, companionship whats the the point in taking things personally when we arent here for very long in the grand scheme of things
I agree with you. We are all guilty of over complicating our lives.the world or withdrawing ones self and and trying to look at everything completely without any greyness (it is or it isnt). Hasnt let them wrong. at the end of the day im not sure its all about family, success, companionship whats the the point in taking things personally when we arent here for very long in the grand scheme of things
I guess when it all boils down, I dont like the idea that someone I have never met before harbours a dislike of me without ever having met me.
When someone suggests that I am a ginger, alcohol sodden nationalist it upsets me. I just dont undertand the need for someone to say things like that.
Bisonhead said:
I agree with you. We are all guilty of over complicating our lives.
I guess when it all boils down, I dont like the idea that someone I have never met before harbours a dislike of me without ever having met me.
When someone suggests that I am a ginger, alcohol sodden nationalist it upsets me. I just dont undertand the need for someone to say things like that.
That i guess is an entitlement. i just try to avoid taking life seriously to the point of getting offended. You could be a Parts bin person I guess when it all boils down, I dont like the idea that someone I have never met before harbours a dislike of me without ever having met me.
When someone suggests that I am a ginger, alcohol sodden nationalist it upsets me. I just dont undertand the need for someone to say things like that.
Bisonhead said:
vinnie01 said:
AFAIK humans are the only ones who war, who kill for sport as opposed to taking what they need, we are they only organisms that adapt our surroundings to suit instead of adapting ourselves to suit the environment we live in. Aminals groom themselves but i wouldnt call that self respect. Im just saying with an apparantly simplistic method of viewing
the world or withdrawing ones self and and trying to look at everything completely without any greyness (it is or it isnt). Hasnt let them wrong. at the end of the day im not sure its all about family, success, companionship whats the the point in taking things personally when we arent here for very long in the grand scheme of things
I agree with you. We are all guilty of over complicating our lives.the world or withdrawing ones self and and trying to look at everything completely without any greyness (it is or it isnt). Hasnt let them wrong. at the end of the day im not sure its all about family, success, companionship whats the the point in taking things personally when we arent here for very long in the grand scheme of things
I guess when it all boils down, I dont like the idea that someone I have never met before harbours a dislike of me without ever having met me.
When someone suggests that I am a ginger, alcohol sodden nationalist it upsets me. I just dont undertand the need for someone to say things like that.
OpulentBob said:
Bisonhead said:
OpulentBob said:
Bisonhead said:
Guys, its not about propaganda, victimisation or being precious. It is about mutual respect. If you tar one 'sweaty' with the generic Scottish stereotype, you are tarring all Scots. Please respect other peoples emotions and say only what you would like said to you
The whole basis and momentum of the nationalist agenda on the referendum was the thought that that Scots could stick 2 fingers up to the English. Look at any commentary website today - comments on media stories from pro and anti-union types, yet the underlying public comment is "The bd English (or Scum seems to be quite popular) have screwed us", "No voters are traitors", "You've turned Scotland in to a region of Tory England" etc. We've had months, years of Scotland whinging and playing the victim and telling the English that we're to blame for all Scotland's ills. And as a half-scottish non-Tory Englishman, it sticks in the throat. Calling you a "sweaty" is absolutely f
k all compared to the toss that your more thick element have been directing south.To wit, you lot started it.
All I am asking is that we act like the adults we are and leave the name calling out
vinnie01 said:
AFAIK humans are the only ones who war, who kill for sport as opposed to taking what they need, we are they only organisms that adapt our surroundings to suit instead of adapting ourselves to suit the environment we live in. Aminals groom themselves but i wouldnt call that self respect. Im just saying with an apparantly simplistic method of viewing
the world or withdrawing ones self and and trying to look at everything completely without any greyness (it is or it isnt). Hasnt let them wrong. at the end of the day im not sure its all about family, success, companionship whats the the point in taking things personally when we arent here for very long in the grand scheme of things
the world or withdrawing ones self and and trying to look at everything completely without any greyness (it is or it isnt). Hasnt let them wrong. at the end of the day im not sure its all about family, success, companionship whats the the point in taking things personally when we arent here for very long in the grand scheme of things
Yep, dreadful term Jock, this poor chap never got anywhere after they labelled him Jock:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Stirrup,_Baron_S...
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