Are Haymarket interested in sorting out the knobheads here?
Discussion
There is frequent moaning on here about a certain type of aggressive, unhelpful, keyboard warrior, bullying etc etc poster thesedays. It seems to be causing decent members to be lost forever and for too many threads to descend into unpleasantness. Surely this isn't the way the owners want this to go, is it? Eventually it will be difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, revenue will drop and the site will close or become a shadow of it's former self.
Whilst we have moderators they cannot be expected to clamp down on the sheer volume of this sort of behaviour. I'm suggesting a system be introduced where a member can be reported for said type of behaviour and then if a moderator agrees then the person receives a strike. Hopefully the folks receiving strikes will think about their behaviour and posting style and either refrain from posting their toxic drivel or will disappear. I'd suggest something like 3 strikes and you get an official warning, 5 strikes you get banned for a week, 7 strikes for a month and if you are stupid enough to get 10 you get permanently banned.
Perhaps the Lounge could be exempt as banter there is pretty impressive sometimes and does make me laugh a lot.
I realise that this might take up a bit of manpower in the early stages but in the end it should become more self regulating as these folk realise they can no longer get away with it. Hopefully the end result will be a more user friendly site that continues long into the future.
and if a mod thinks this deserves a wider airing how about moving it to the lounge for a bit??
Whilst we have moderators they cannot be expected to clamp down on the sheer volume of this sort of behaviour. I'm suggesting a system be introduced where a member can be reported for said type of behaviour and then if a moderator agrees then the person receives a strike. Hopefully the folks receiving strikes will think about their behaviour and posting style and either refrain from posting their toxic drivel or will disappear. I'd suggest something like 3 strikes and you get an official warning, 5 strikes you get banned for a week, 7 strikes for a month and if you are stupid enough to get 10 you get permanently banned.
Perhaps the Lounge could be exempt as banter there is pretty impressive sometimes and does make me laugh a lot.
I realise that this might take up a bit of manpower in the early stages but in the end it should become more self regulating as these folk realise they can no longer get away with it. Hopefully the end result will be a more user friendly site that continues long into the future.
and if a mod thinks this deserves a wider airing how about moving it to the lounge for a bit??
Edited by elanfan on Friday 5th August 22:28
Why raise it now 
It's been happening for years it's what forums seem to be like unfortunately
Trouble with any strike system like that is it's difficult for a mod to come in half way through and do anything other think its the victim that's winding things up and give them a strike out.
Eventually the system sees through it and the perpetrator gets outed but there's no come back for undoing the initial strike. Once you're banned from a forum that's it
If anyone has an easy way of resolving it email a postcard to the cafe at the end of the universe, or so it seems in any forum land not just here
It's been happening for years it's what forums seem to be like unfortunately
Trouble with any strike system like that is it's difficult for a mod to come in half way through and do anything other think its the victim that's winding things up and give them a strike out.
Eventually the system sees through it and the perpetrator gets outed but there's no come back for undoing the initial strike. Once you're banned from a forum that's it
If anyone has an easy way of resolving it email a postcard to the cafe at the end of the universe, or so it seems in any forum land not just here
elanfan said:
Not saying its going to be easy or free from issues and yes it has been happening for years, it's getting worse and unless something changes.......
Moderators are already doing a thankless task for nothing, I'm not sure they want to be policing a strike system on top of it. People who regularly cause trouble do get banned already. I think the answer is just to avoid the parts of he site that piss you off the most.
elanfan said:
Take Croyde's thread on the debt collectors. Plenty more.
He didn't really help himself, to be fair. Some of his posts were laughable.Although some posters could be seen as rude/aggressive etc I don't think over-moderation is the right way to go.
We already soften every other part of society; if you can't take a bit of s
t from a stranger on the internet and shrug it off, I don't think a moderator banning them is going to help you out.I think a thicker skin is required a lot of the time and there'd be much less problems.
Everyone jumps to be offended at the earliest opportunity and play the victim card.
TheLordJohn said:
He didn't really help himself, to be fair. Some of his posts were laughable.
Although some posters could be seen as rude/aggressive etc I don't think over-moderation is the right way to go.
We already soften every other part of society; if you can't take a bit of st from a stranger on the internet and shrug it off, I don't think a moderator banning them is going to help you out.
I think a thicker skin is required a lot of the time and there'd be much less problems.
Everyone jumps to be offended at the earliest opportunity and play the victim card.
That's a perfectly valid opinion and I'm not seeking over moderation and not at all in the Lounge. Not seeking to stifle debate or differing opinions just there are a determined few who seem to love to be offensive etc at every opportunity. We can honestly do without them.Although some posters could be seen as rude/aggressive etc I don't think over-moderation is the right way to go.
We already soften every other part of society; if you can't take a bit of s
t from a stranger on the internet and shrug it off, I don't think a moderator banning them is going to help you out.I think a thicker skin is required a lot of the time and there'd be much less problems.
Everyone jumps to be offended at the earliest opportunity and play the victim card.
I'm going to bow out here not because I'm offended or anything but just to allow others to have their say.
I am, apparently on the naughty step (banned from NP&E) for 14 days.....
Its a form of censorship I find mildly frustrating on the one hand and rather sinister on the other.
Let me explain. There are currently a number of threads running following the recent terrible events across Europe and the UK.
Emotions are understandably high and posters are either
a) of the opinion that these terrorists are simply a bit mental so are therefore absolved from any religious motivations etc. or
b) that they have a distinct agenda to attack and murder in the name of a certain religion.
Generally the discussion is good natured with both sides making some concessions, the threads can wander as is the way here but usually finds its way back.
There is little shepherding by the moderator who appears instead to allow the discussion to go off topic before closing it down. Nice.
Most posters are firmly in one camp or the other but the worrying aspect is that I, and quite possibly others who share the same opinions are being subjected to some kind of gagging routine with threads regularly being closed, whole threads being deleted and now, banning users.
I threatened no-one nor did I scream 'nuke the bds'. Within those threads you'll not find a single 'send 'em home' type comment, yet the cries of 'Racist !' and 'Knuckle dragger !' echo throughout the thread.
Clearly a certain moderator has both his feet in the opposing camp. Thats the problem.
A response here will be most welcome. But I expect this will also be deleted.
Its a form of censorship I find mildly frustrating on the one hand and rather sinister on the other.
Let me explain. There are currently a number of threads running following the recent terrible events across Europe and the UK.
Emotions are understandably high and posters are either
a) of the opinion that these terrorists are simply a bit mental so are therefore absolved from any religious motivations etc. or
b) that they have a distinct agenda to attack and murder in the name of a certain religion.
Generally the discussion is good natured with both sides making some concessions, the threads can wander as is the way here but usually finds its way back.
There is little shepherding by the moderator who appears instead to allow the discussion to go off topic before closing it down. Nice.
Most posters are firmly in one camp or the other but the worrying aspect is that I, and quite possibly others who share the same opinions are being subjected to some kind of gagging routine with threads regularly being closed, whole threads being deleted and now, banning users.
I threatened no-one nor did I scream 'nuke the b
ds'. Within those threads you'll not find a single 'send 'em home' type comment, yet the cries of 'Racist !' and 'Knuckle dragger !' echo throughout the thread.Clearly a certain moderator has both his feet in the opposing camp. Thats the problem.
A response here will be most welcome. But I expect this will also be deleted.
T5XARV said:
I am, apparently on the naughty step (banned from NP&E) for 14 days.....
Its a form of censorship I find mildly frustrating on the one hand and rather sinister on the other.
Let me explain. There are currently a number of threads running following the recent terrible events across Europe and the UK.
Emotions are understandably high and posters are either
a) of the opinion that these terrorists are simply a bit mental so are therefore absolved from any religious motivations etc. or
b) that they have a distinct agenda to attack and murder in the name of a certain religion.
Generally the discussion is good natured with both sides making some concessions, the threads can wander as is the way here but usually finds its way back.
There is little shepherding by the moderator who appears instead to allow the discussion to go off topic before closing it down. Nice.
Most posters are firmly in one camp or the other but the worrying aspect is that I, and quite possibly others who share the same opinions are being subjected to some kind of gagging routine with threads regularly being closed, whole threads being deleted and now, banning users.
I threatened no-one nor did I scream 'nuke the bds'. Within those threads you'll not find a single 'send 'em home' type comment, yet the cries of 'Racist !' and 'Knuckle dragger !' echo throughout the thread.
Clearly a certain moderator has both his feet in the opposing camp. Thats the problem.
A response here will be most welcome. But I expect this will also be deleted.
I'm not sure what you did, but I do know from years of experience, that it's quite hard to get banned on PHs and even harder to get banned from the NPandE. Its a form of censorship I find mildly frustrating on the one hand and rather sinister on the other.
Let me explain. There are currently a number of threads running following the recent terrible events across Europe and the UK.
Emotions are understandably high and posters are either
a) of the opinion that these terrorists are simply a bit mental so are therefore absolved from any religious motivations etc. or
b) that they have a distinct agenda to attack and murder in the name of a certain religion.
Generally the discussion is good natured with both sides making some concessions, the threads can wander as is the way here but usually finds its way back.
There is little shepherding by the moderator who appears instead to allow the discussion to go off topic before closing it down. Nice.
Most posters are firmly in one camp or the other but the worrying aspect is that I, and quite possibly others who share the same opinions are being subjected to some kind of gagging routine with threads regularly being closed, whole threads being deleted and now, banning users.
I threatened no-one nor did I scream 'nuke the b
ds'. Within those threads you'll not find a single 'send 'em home' type comment, yet the cries of 'Racist !' and 'Knuckle dragger !' echo throughout the thread.Clearly a certain moderator has both his feet in the opposing camp. Thats the problem.
A response here will be most welcome. But I expect this will also be deleted.
My view is that If you're arguing on threads that are getting closed and mods are having to get involved, then you're probably sticking your head up above the parapet. I expect that if you're holding an entrenched position in a thread about Islamic terrorism or refugees, you'll be getting reported loads by other PHers. I really doubt it's one moderator who disagrees with you, having it in for you.
Remember the mods aren't employed here as professional moderators, they're mostly PHers who've been here for ages and want to enjoy the forums too.
Edited by el stovey on Friday 5th August 23:50
el stovey said:
I'm not sure what you did, but I do know from years of experience, that it's quite hard to get banned on PHs and even harder to get banned from the NPandE.
My view is that If you're arguing on threads that are getting closed and mods are having to get involved, then you're probably sticking your head up above the parapet. I expect that if you're holding an entrenched position in a thread about Islamic terrorism or refugees, you'll be getting reported loads by other PHers. I really doubt it's one moderator who disagrees with you, having it in for you.
Remember the mods aren't employed here as professional moderators, they're mostly PHers who've been here for ages and want to enjoy the forums too.
Agree about it being thankless at times being a modMy view is that If you're arguing on threads that are getting closed and mods are having to get involved, then you're probably sticking your head up above the parapet. I expect that if you're holding an entrenched position in a thread about Islamic terrorism or refugees, you'll be getting reported loads by other PHers. I really doubt it's one moderator who disagrees with you, having it in for you.
Remember the mods aren't employed here as professional moderators, they're mostly PHers who've been here for ages and want to enjoy the forums too.
However his sentiment is correct
You can state something in a forum you know to be correct because youve been on the end of it yourself
A powerfully built director type will call you out
you'll state your case once more
the directors mate might chip in about what a nice bloke he is
you say that may be so but what happened is true.
Someone else realises it's now 2 against one so joins in with the two
You only have to state your case once too often and a mod thinks youre the troublemaker and off you go.
Forever
How you sort it out as I said earlier you might as well send a postcard to a long distant cafe.
Is it any different to real life?
el stovey said:
T5XARV said:
I am, apparently on the naughty step (banned from NP&E) for 14 days.....
Its a form of censorship I find mildly frustrating on the one hand and rather sinister on the other.
Let me explain. There are currently a number of threads running following the recent terrible events across Europe and the UK.
Emotions are understandably high and posters are either
a) of the opinion that these terrorists are simply a bit mental so are therefore absolved from any religious motivations etc. or
b) that they have a distinct agenda to attack and murder in the name of a certain religion.
Generally the discussion is good natured with both sides making some concessions, the threads can wander as is the way here but usually finds its way back.
There is little shepherding by the moderator who appears instead to allow the discussion to go off topic before closing it down. Nice.
Most posters are firmly in one camp or the other but the worrying aspect is that I, and quite possibly others who share the same opinions are being subjected to some kind of gagging routine with threads regularly being closed, whole threads being deleted and now, banning users.
I threatened no-one nor did I scream 'nuke the bds'. Within those threads you'll not find a single 'send 'em home' type comment, yet the cries of 'Racist !' and 'Knuckle dragger !' echo throughout the thread.
Clearly a certain moderator has both his feet in the opposing camp. Thats the problem.
A response here will be most welcome. But I expect this will also be deleted.
I'm not sure what you did, but I do know from years of experience, that it's quite hard to get banned on PHs and even harder to get banned from the NPandE. Its a form of censorship I find mildly frustrating on the one hand and rather sinister on the other.
Let me explain. There are currently a number of threads running following the recent terrible events across Europe and the UK.
Emotions are understandably high and posters are either
a) of the opinion that these terrorists are simply a bit mental so are therefore absolved from any religious motivations etc. or
b) that they have a distinct agenda to attack and murder in the name of a certain religion.
Generally the discussion is good natured with both sides making some concessions, the threads can wander as is the way here but usually finds its way back.
There is little shepherding by the moderator who appears instead to allow the discussion to go off topic before closing it down. Nice.
Most posters are firmly in one camp or the other but the worrying aspect is that I, and quite possibly others who share the same opinions are being subjected to some kind of gagging routine with threads regularly being closed, whole threads being deleted and now, banning users.
I threatened no-one nor did I scream 'nuke the b
ds'. Within those threads you'll not find a single 'send 'em home' type comment, yet the cries of 'Racist !' and 'Knuckle dragger !' echo throughout the thread.Clearly a certain moderator has both his feet in the opposing camp. Thats the problem.
A response here will be most welcome. But I expect this will also be deleted.
My view is that If you're arguing on threads that are getting closed and mods are having to get involved, then you're probably sticking your head up above the parapet. I expect that if you're holding an entrenched position in a thread about Islamic terrorism or refugees, you'll be getting reported loads by other PHers. I really doubt it's one moderator who disagrees with you, having it in for you.
Remember the mods aren't employed here as professional moderators, they're mostly PHers who've been here for ages and want to enjoy the forums too.
Edited by el stovey on Friday 5th August 23:50
Since when was 'sticking your head above the parapet' worthy of a ban ? I would love to read these secretive and no doubt embellished 'reports' and compare them to the actual content.
A tiny bit of exaggeration I suspect on the part of the usual posters.
Losing an argument ? Simply report to a mod making certain to use the words 'deeply offended' and your opponent is banned. How very sad and a little bit Stazi, too
I've seen this place change over a number of years and, frankly not for the better. I remember some superb days spent around Windsor, hooning around the North Yorkshire Moors and meets at Virginia Waters with a proper free-for-all on the forums......clearly an effort has been made to wash behind the ears of the public forum and sanitise it a little bit....but now we have heavy censorship of a commonly held viewpoint ? Thats a new low.
Edited to add ;
It now appears that not only am I banned from posting in NP&E (as earlier) but I'm now unable to see the thread.
"Nothing to see here" greets me when attempted. Has the thread been deleted ? Or what ?
Edited by T5XARV on Saturday 6th August 00:21
To be fair on the NPE thread about the terrorist attacks I think the mods allowed the full debate and when it started descending into more silliness a warning was given by Marshalla(?) and then subsequently pulled.
If such threads were immediately taken off I'd be concerned re censorship but to date it seems fine to myself
If such threads were immediately taken off I'd be concerned re censorship but to date it seems fine to myself
saaby93 said:
el stovey said:
I'm not sure what you did, but I do know from years of experience, that it's quite hard to get banned on PHs and even harder to get banned from the NPandE.
My view is that If you're arguing on threads that are getting closed and mods are having to get involved, then you're probably sticking your head up above the parapet. I expect that if you're holding an entrenched position in a thread about Islamic terrorism or refugees, you'll be getting reported loads by other PHers. I really doubt it's one moderator who disagrees with you, having it in for you.
Remember the mods aren't employed here as professional moderators, they're mostly PHers who've been here for ages and want to enjoy the forums too.
Agree about it being thankless at times being a modMy view is that If you're arguing on threads that are getting closed and mods are having to get involved, then you're probably sticking your head up above the parapet. I expect that if you're holding an entrenched position in a thread about Islamic terrorism or refugees, you'll be getting reported loads by other PHers. I really doubt it's one moderator who disagrees with you, having it in for you.
Remember the mods aren't employed here as professional moderators, they're mostly PHers who've been here for ages and want to enjoy the forums too.
However his sentiment is correct
You can state something in a forum you know to be correct because youve been on the end of it yourself
A powerfully built director type will call you out
you'll state your case once more
the directors mate might chip in about what a nice bloke he is
you say that may be so but what happened is true.
Someone else realises it's now 2 against one so joins in with the two
You only have to state your case once too often and a mod thinks youre the troublemaker and off you go.
Forever
How you sort it out as I said earlier you might as well send a postcard to a long distant cafe.
Is it any different to real life?
Is it really worth getting that angry on the internet that you get thrown off parts of the site? Just for arguing with people you don't even know? It's supposed to be fun in here.
el stovey said:
saaby93 said:
el stovey said:
I'm not sure what you did, but I do know from years of experience, that it's quite hard to get banned on PHs and even harder to get banned from the NPandE.
My view is that If you're arguing on threads that are getting closed and mods are having to get involved, then you're probably sticking your head up above the parapet. I expect that if you're holding an entrenched position in a thread about Islamic terrorism or refugees, you'll be getting reported loads by other PHers. I really doubt it's one moderator who disagrees with you, having it in for you.
Remember the mods aren't employed here as professional moderators, they're mostly PHers who've been here for ages and want to enjoy the forums too.
Agree about it being thankless at times being a modMy view is that If you're arguing on threads that are getting closed and mods are having to get involved, then you're probably sticking your head up above the parapet. I expect that if you're holding an entrenched position in a thread about Islamic terrorism or refugees, you'll be getting reported loads by other PHers. I really doubt it's one moderator who disagrees with you, having it in for you.
Remember the mods aren't employed here as professional moderators, they're mostly PHers who've been here for ages and want to enjoy the forums too.
However his sentiment is correct
You can state something in a forum you know to be correct because youve been on the end of it yourself
A powerfully built director type will call you out
you'll state your case once more
the directors mate might chip in about what a nice bloke he is
you say that may be so but what happened is true.
Someone else realises it's now 2 against one so joins in with the two
You only have to state your case once too often and a mod thinks youre the troublemaker and off you go.
Forever
How you sort it out as I said earlier you might as well send a postcard to a long distant cafe.
Is it any different to real life?
Is it really worth getting that angry on the internet that you get thrown off parts of the site? Just for arguing with people you don't even know? It's supposed to be fun in here.
I was banned for pushing the truth.
el stovey said:
Is it really worth getting that angry on the internet that you get thrown off parts of the site? Just for arguing with people you don't even know? It's supposed to be fun in here.
you dont have to be the angry person to get thrown off.You can be the placid guy vs the three or more angry people who must be right so its easier the placid guy gets outed especially if the angry people get more angry because the placid guy isnt rising to the bait
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 6th August 01:03
TheLordJohn said:
if you can't take a bit of st from a stranger on the internet and shrug it off, I don't think a moderator banning them is going to help you out.
I think a thicker skin is required a lot of the time and there'd be much less problems.
Everyone jumps to be offended at the earliest opportunity and play the victim card.
This ^^t from a stranger on the internet and shrug it off, I don't think a moderator banning them is going to help you out.I think a thicker skin is required a lot of the time and there'd be much less problems.
Everyone jumps to be offended at the earliest opportunity and play the victim card.
Stickyfinger said:
How can anybody be "offended" or "bullied", just pixels on a screen and easy to avoid
And This ^^Obvious trolls can be tedious but you must have a very thin skin to be bothered enough to try and invent a new moderating system to police them.
Maybe PH should introduce a 'safe space' too?
All forums get this. And banning/strikes does not work as any fool can just sign back up with a different username/email/IP.
T5XARV said:
Is it really worth banning long term members for the natural human emotion of getting angry ? Not that I did much, apart from one or two posts.
I was banned for pushing the truth.
You haven't been banned though, you're still able to come on here and state your views on what happened.I was banned for pushing the truth.
Im afraid I've no idea what you posted but unfortunately we have to remember, it's not an open forum created for us to post what we want, it's a business run by haymarket. It's not a democracy or somewhere that protects yours or my freedom of speech, it's their business and It's completely up to them and the moderators what they view as acceptable. It really makes no difference if you think it was the truth. I know we all, probably view PHs as being ours but it's not at all.
This thread starts with someone complaining about haymarket and the moderators not getting rid of people and then there's loads of people saying they've been banned for nothing,
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