Are Haymarket interested in sorting out the knobheads here?
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This is a general observation, but there are a band of posters on NP&E who clearly have an issue with Islam, at least one to the point where I seriously question just why anyone who isn't called Dawkins would be quite so interested in it but that's an aside.
These posters hijack just about every single thread where there's the vaguest most tenuous way to bring Islam and Muslims into it, and then they're off, and it goes on and on and on and on and the actual issues the thread is supposed to be about get lost.
My personal view is that many of those posters manage to post cleverly enough to be able to pull the innocent "Who me?" face if they're questioned about their views, indeed they do it well enough that I'm choosing my words quite carefully now so as not to accuse them of anything beyond cluttering up the forum.
Someone gets stabbed in London and somehow it turns into 26 pages with maybe 1 of those about the stabbing and the other about Islam and Muslims.
If someone wants to create a "Reasons I don't like Islam and Muslims" thread then whilst I might find it pretty abhorrent then fine, at least we'd know that Haymerket will let that subject stand and it gives those people somewhere to go for the religious and theological debate they claim to crave without them f
king every other thread up for the rest of us.
These posters hijack just about every single thread where there's the vaguest most tenuous way to bring Islam and Muslims into it, and then they're off, and it goes on and on and on and on and the actual issues the thread is supposed to be about get lost.
My personal view is that many of those posters manage to post cleverly enough to be able to pull the innocent "Who me?" face if they're questioned about their views, indeed they do it well enough that I'm choosing my words quite carefully now so as not to accuse them of anything beyond cluttering up the forum.
Someone gets stabbed in London and somehow it turns into 26 pages with maybe 1 of those about the stabbing and the other about Islam and Muslims.
If someone wants to create a "Reasons I don't like Islam and Muslims" thread then whilst I might find it pretty abhorrent then fine, at least we'd know that Haymerket will let that subject stand and it gives those people somewhere to go for the religious and theological debate they claim to crave without them f
king every other thread up for the rest of us.saaby93 said:
Agree about it being thankless at times being a mod
However his sentiment is correct
You can state something in a forum you know to be correct because youve been on the end of it yourself
A powerfully built director type will call you out
you'll state your case once more
the directors mate might chip in about what a nice bloke he is
you say that may be so but what happened is true.
Someone else realises it's now 2 against one so joins in with the two
You only have to state your case once too often and a mod thinks youre the troublemaker and off you go.
Forever
It's pretty obvious from comments made by mods that if a few of those people get together and report a poster then, to stop the reports, the "offender" gets banned.However his sentiment is correct
You can state something in a forum you know to be correct because youve been on the end of it yourself
A powerfully built director type will call you out
you'll state your case once more
the directors mate might chip in about what a nice bloke he is
you say that may be so but what happened is true.
Someone else realises it's now 2 against one so joins in with the two
You only have to state your case once too often and a mod thinks youre the troublemaker and off you go.
Forever
The people doing the reporting should be banned.
Sheepshanks said:
saaby93 said:
Agree about it being thankless at times being a mod
However his sentiment is correct
You can state something in a forum you know to be correct because youve been on the end of it yourself
A powerfully built director type will call you out
you'll state your case once more
the directors mate might chip in about what a nice bloke he is
you say that may be so but what happened is true.
Someone else realises it's now 2 against one so joins in with the two
You only have to state your case once too often and a mod thinks youre the troublemaker and off you go.
Forever
It's pretty obvious from comments made by mods that if a few of those people get together and report a poster then, to stop the reports, the "offender" gets banned.However his sentiment is correct
You can state something in a forum you know to be correct because youve been on the end of it yourself
A powerfully built director type will call you out
you'll state your case once more
the directors mate might chip in about what a nice bloke he is
you say that may be so but what happened is true.
Someone else realises it's now 2 against one so joins in with the two
You only have to state your case once too often and a mod thinks youre the troublemaker and off you go.
Forever
The people doing the reporting should be banned.
However, given the extreme posts by one or two on Muslim related threads (there have been a couple of posts suggesting nuking the Middle East) I wouldn't be surprised if multiple people did report them independently.
rscott said:
I'm sure the mods are, in general, able to spot patterns of reports and identify if and when the same group of users are reporting posts
However, given the extreme posts by one or two on Muslim related threads (there have been a couple of posts suggesting nuking the Middle East) I wouldn't be surprised if multiple people did report them independently.
But they don't really mean it. It's just gibberish. However, given the extreme posts by one or two on Muslim related threads (there have been a couple of posts suggesting nuking the Middle East) I wouldn't be surprised if multiple people did report them independently.
Voicing an opinion, is simply voicing an opinion.
Think a lot of society needs to grow a pair, and instead of seeking no remove everything you don't like the sound of by labelling it an 'ist' just realise we are all different, we were all brought up differently and we all have different views and beliefs.
Where do you stop, thought-police?
TheLordJohn said:
rscott said:
I'm sure the mods are, in general, able to spot patterns of reports and identify if and when the same group of users are reporting posts
However, given the extreme posts by one or two on Muslim related threads (there have been a couple of posts suggesting nuking the Middle East) I wouldn't be surprised if multiple people did report them independently.
But they don't really mean it. It's just gibberish. However, given the extreme posts by one or two on Muslim related threads (there have been a couple of posts suggesting nuking the Middle East) I wouldn't be surprised if multiple people did report them independently.
Voicing an opinion, is simply voicing an opinion.
Think a lot of society needs to grow a pair, and instead of seeking no remove everything you don't like the sound of by labelling it an 'ist' just realise we are all different, we were all brought up differently and we all have different views and beliefs.
Where do you stop, thought-police?
BigLion said:
TheLordJohn said:
rscott said:
I'm sure the mods are, in general, able to spot patterns of reports and identify if and when the same group of users are reporting posts
However, given the extreme posts by one or two on Muslim related threads (there have been a couple of posts suggesting nuking the Middle East) I wouldn't be surprised if multiple people did report them independently.
But they don't really mean it. It's just gibberish. However, given the extreme posts by one or two on Muslim related threads (there have been a couple of posts suggesting nuking the Middle East) I wouldn't be surprised if multiple people did report them independently.
Voicing an opinion, is simply voicing an opinion.
Think a lot of society needs to grow a pair, and instead of seeking no remove everything you don't like the sound of by labelling it an 'ist' just realise we are all different, we were all brought up differently and we all have different views and beliefs.
Where do you stop, thought-police?
So if someone proffers the opinion that blacks are an inferior species, or Jews are odious money lenders, or women aren't fit to work and should spend their time in the kitchen or on their backs, that's ok is it? Because that person might have been brought up to think those are valid opinions which should be aired in public?
No. That someone might be so ill-educated as to believe such nonsense, but it is offensive nonsense none the same. Screw "thick skinned", screw 'it's my (just) opinion" - those are nothing more than the go-to excuses for people who like to peddle this sort of tripe.
More to the point, and what cuts through this whole debate, is that this is a privately owned vehicle. The owner sets the rules. Dont like the rules? Bugger off somewhere else where you can have free rein to say what you want. Reddit has some pretty grim little corners, and no doubt the EDL is always looking for new recruits.
Greg66 said:
So if someone proffers the opinion that blacks are an inferior species, or Jews are odious money lenders, or women aren't fit to work and should spend their time in the kitchen or on their backs, that's ok is it? Because that person might have been brought up to think those are valid opinions which should be aired in public?
I think it's better that such people express their opinions rather than bottle them up.Sheepshanks said:
Greg66 said:
So if someone proffers the opinion that blacks are an inferior species, or Jews are odious money lenders, or women aren't fit to work and should spend their time in the kitchen or on their backs, that's ok is it? Because that person might have been brought up to think those are valid opinions which should be aired in public?
I think it's better that such people express their opinions rather than bottle them up.A good maxim for PH.
WD39 said:
Agree. What's the phrase? 'I dissagree with what you say, but defend your right to say it.'
A good maxim for PH.
If nothing else, in both PH and the real world, it helps identify the nutters, so you know who to avoid / ignore.A good maxim for PH.
It also offers the opportunity, if you so wish, to engage with such people and attempt to persuade them that their view is wrong.
Depends what type of opinion
If its one forum member being downright rude to another the alert mods button is there to warn before it escalates even more, so long as the third party guy raising the alert isn't banned
If its a discussion of one opinion of a topic vs another thats fine and in the spirit of the Voltaire guy
If its one forum member being downright rude to another the alert mods button is there to warn before it escalates even more, so long as the third party guy raising the alert isn't banned
If its a discussion of one opinion of a topic vs another thats fine and in the spirit of the Voltaire guy
Seemingly, across this forum there are no other subjects currently under discussion which are so heavily policed as religion, specifically Islam and links to violence.
Islamic teachings and argument have been used to censor opinions and writings throughout history, up to and including the modern era.
Haymarket and their product that is Pistonheads is adhering to that tradition.
The question is, why ?
Islamic teachings and argument have been used to censor opinions and writings throughout history, up to and including the modern era.
Haymarket and their product that is Pistonheads is adhering to that tradition.
The question is, why ?
T5XARV said:
Seemingly, across this forum there are no other subjects currently under discussion which are so heavily policed as religion, specifically Islam and links to violence.
Islamic teachings and argument have been used to censor opinions and writings throughout history, up to and including the modern era.
Haymarket and their product that is Pistonheads is adhering to that tradition.
The question is, why ?
RACIST!Islamic teachings and argument have been used to censor opinions and writings throughout history, up to and including the modern era.
Haymarket and their product that is Pistonheads is adhering to that tradition.
The question is, why ?
- Get that in nice and early.
Hey, I'm gonna get you too.
Another one bites the dust.....
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Hopefully Marshalla's eventual explanation will be as extensive as his moderating.
Another one bites the dust.....
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Hopefully Marshalla's eventual explanation will be as extensive as his moderating.
Hmm, to pitch in or not to pitch in…..?
I've been around long enough to remember the times when every thread wasn't dragged down into a spat; I've not been around long enough to be paid for my posts! I've removed myself from certain boards due to either boredom, or content. These days, I'll often start posting a reply and scrap it halfway through as it's just not worth the subsequent aggravation.
But it's easy to see these days how SOOOO many threads just get dragged down to handbag levels. I'll not deny for one second that I'm guilty of having a little dig here and there, but I do try and avoid the "he said, she said, my Dad's harder than yours" threads which really do reduce the value of PH. Conversely, I recently had a mild dig (of the "are you nuts?" variety) which resulted in the third party making a significantly unpleasant accusation of me of a specific illegal activity. I reported that, the mods acknowledged receipt, but took sweet FA action. Why/Why not?
There are certain people on PH who, whether or not they are banned posters under a new pseudonym (oooh, controversial!) make it their business to cause an argument regardless of the thread topic. People like that should be banned (again). That's where the mod attention should be, IMO.
I've been around long enough to remember the times when every thread wasn't dragged down into a spat; I've not been around long enough to be paid for my posts! I've removed myself from certain boards due to either boredom, or content. These days, I'll often start posting a reply and scrap it halfway through as it's just not worth the subsequent aggravation.
But it's easy to see these days how SOOOO many threads just get dragged down to handbag levels. I'll not deny for one second that I'm guilty of having a little dig here and there, but I do try and avoid the "he said, she said, my Dad's harder than yours" threads which really do reduce the value of PH. Conversely, I recently had a mild dig (of the "are you nuts?" variety) which resulted in the third party making a significantly unpleasant accusation of me of a specific illegal activity. I reported that, the mods acknowledged receipt, but took sweet FA action. Why/Why not?
There are certain people on PH who, whether or not they are banned posters under a new pseudonym (oooh, controversial!) make it their business to cause an argument regardless of the thread topic. People like that should be banned (again). That's where the mod attention should be, IMO.
T5XARV said:
Hey, I'm gonna get you too.
Another one bites the dust.....
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Hopefully Marshalla's eventual explanation will be as extensive as his moderating.
And the one on the apparent terrorist machete attack on 2 female plod in Belgium. Another one bites the dust.....
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Hopefully Marshalla's eventual explanation will be as extensive as his moderating.
Haymarket don't seem to like the debates on such sickening attacks. IMHO censorship such as this is wrong. There's nothing offensive in that thread. Apart from the facts surrounding the event itself.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: This is a general observation, but there are a band of posters on NP&E who clearly have an issue with Islam, at least one to the point where I seriously question just why anyone who isn't called Dawkins would be quite so interested in it but that's an aside.
These posters hijack just about every single thread where there's the vaguest most tenuous way to bring Islam and Muslims into it, and then they're off, and it goes on and on and on and on and the actual issues the thread is supposed to be about get lost.
My personal view is that many of those posters manage to post cleverly enough to be able to pull the innocent "Who me?" face if they're questioned about their views, indeed they do it well enough that I'm choosing my words quite carefully now so as not to accuse them of anything beyond cluttering up the forum.
Someone gets stabbed in London and somehow it turns into 26 pages with maybe 1 of those about the stabbing and the other about Islam and Muslims.
If someone wants to create a "Reasons I don't like Islam and Muslims" thread then whilst I might find it pretty abhorrent then fine, at least we'd know that Haymerket will let that subject stand and it gives those people somewhere to go for the religious and theological debate they claim to crave without them fking every other thread up for the rest of us.
See, this is what I find odd. People are entitled to their opinions on all matters and including religion. And on a UK based forum, the majority of posters, if they follow the UK demographic will not be Muslims. Some will not give a crap about any religion, some will be tolerant of it all, and some will be very anti certain religions, including being anti Islam. Because we are a generally secular country and the majority of the UK is not Muslim. These posters hijack just about every single thread where there's the vaguest most tenuous way to bring Islam and Muslims into it, and then they're off, and it goes on and on and on and on and the actual issues the thread is supposed to be about get lost.
My personal view is that many of those posters manage to post cleverly enough to be able to pull the innocent "Who me?" face if they're questioned about their views, indeed they do it well enough that I'm choosing my words quite carefully now so as not to accuse them of anything beyond cluttering up the forum.
Someone gets stabbed in London and somehow it turns into 26 pages with maybe 1 of those about the stabbing and the other about Islam and Muslims.
If someone wants to create a "Reasons I don't like Islam and Muslims" thread then whilst I might find it pretty abhorrent then fine, at least we'd know that Haymerket will let that subject stand and it gives those people somewhere to go for the religious and theological debate they claim to crave without them f
king every other thread up for the rest of us.So why do you think your beliefs and opinions should take precidence over those of others? And why do Haymarket seemingly agree with you?
Its a mystery.
Although perhaps the Charlie Hebdo massacre doesn't help?
Really ? That thread has gone too, has it ?
The Charlie Hebdo thing doesn't help sure. But it depends on your standpoint and the size of your balls.
The frequency, hate and ferocity of these attacks are bound to stir feelings of concern, anger and a demand for answers. And so they should.
Pistonheads is the place for such discussion.
To debate such an emotionally charged subject with everyone minding their P's and Q's, all of the time, is akin to participating in a Monty Python Sketch.
.........
'I say old bean, pardon me for saying, but people of a certain religious demographic certainly seem keen to support the use of terrorist tactics in an effort to subjugate the indigenous population with a view to the enforced Islamification of the host nation, what ?'
" Yes - 'Convert or die' Is what I've read"
>'You're both wrong. Islam is the religion of peace, these people have mental health issues, the man on the TV told us, see. You must be racist with views like that.
Are you a pair of fking Nazi's ?'
'I'm ever so sorry if I offended anyone with my opinion, I'll shut the fk up and fk off while I'm doing it, chin chin.'
'Me too. I'm off to start a post about 'bloody cyclists' and drool at pictures of shiny supercars.....'
The Charlie Hebdo thing doesn't help sure. But it depends on your standpoint and the size of your balls.
The frequency, hate and ferocity of these attacks are bound to stir feelings of concern, anger and a demand for answers. And so they should.
Pistonheads is the place for such discussion.
To debate such an emotionally charged subject with everyone minding their P's and Q's, all of the time, is akin to participating in a Monty Python Sketch.
.........
'I say old bean, pardon me for saying, but people of a certain religious demographic certainly seem keen to support the use of terrorist tactics in an effort to subjugate the indigenous population with a view to the enforced Islamification of the host nation, what ?'
" Yes - 'Convert or die' Is what I've read"
>'You're both wrong. Islam is the religion of peace, these people have mental health issues, the man on the TV told us, see. You must be racist with views like that.
Are you a pair of f
king Nazi's ?''I'm ever so sorry if I offended anyone with my opinion, I'll shut the f
k up and fk off while I'm doing it, chin chin.''Me too. I'm off to start a post about 'bloody cyclists' and drool at pictures of shiny supercars.....'
Edited by T5XARV on Saturday 6th August 23:33
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