Procedure when getting banned from a thread
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AndrewEH1 said:
Never any excuse for abusing people, which is something I don't really do.
Sure - my post was aimed at fatboy bAndrewEH1 said:
I don't believe the budget excuse because how do forums like MX5Nutz thrive? Oh, they use commercial off the shelf forums that don't cost the earth and are easy and cheap to maintain.
It's a good question; I think one of the technical team answered before - combination of reasons IIRC: complexity of data and forum migration, most off the shelf won't scale to the level PH needs, etc zarjaz1991 said:
fatboy b said:
Because they are clearly not up to the job they've been employed to do 
Even if that were true, it *still* isn't an excuse to abuse and insult people, especially when you know perfectly well they wouldn't be able to respond in kind even if they wanted to. It's frankly a cowardly way to behave, abusing someone you know won't be able to fight back.And what if they are implementing something they have instructed to? Much as the PH "collective" seem to advocate a stance of "you should leave your job / swear at your manager / refuse to do it", back in the real world most people have little choice but to do as they are told even if they don't really agree it's the best move. It's not their business, it's not their money, the person paying for it all calls the shots. A workplace isn't a democracy.
And even setting aside all that - the people who are the public face of Haymarket, posting in those threads, are NOT the people who made the decisions or carried out the work anyway. So "not up to the job they've been employed to do" doesn't apply.
All irrelevant anyway. It's simply not acceptable to think the best response to a change you don't like on a website is to abuse and insult the staff.
zarjaz1991 said:
Even if that were true, it *still* isn't an excuse to abuse and insult people, especially when you know perfectly well they wouldn't be able to respond in kind even if they wanted to. It's frankly a cowardly way to behave, abusing someone you know won't be able to fight back.
And what if they are implementing something they have instructed to? Much as the PH "collective" seem to advocate a stance of "you should leave your job / swear at your manager / refuse to do it", back in the real world most people have little choice but to do as they are told even if they don't really agree it's the best move. It's not their business, it's not their money, the person paying for it all calls the shots. A workplace isn't a democracy.
And even setting aside all that - the people who are the public face of Haymarket, posting in those threads, are NOT the people who made the decisions or carried out the work anyway. So "not up to the job they've been employed to do" doesn't apply.
All irrelevant anyway. It's simply not acceptable to think the best response to a change you don't like on a website is to abuse and insult the staff.
Hmmm where to start with this oneAnd what if they are implementing something they have instructed to? Much as the PH "collective" seem to advocate a stance of "you should leave your job / swear at your manager / refuse to do it", back in the real world most people have little choice but to do as they are told even if they don't really agree it's the best move. It's not their business, it's not their money, the person paying for it all calls the shots. A workplace isn't a democracy.
And even setting aside all that - the people who are the public face of Haymarket, posting in those threads, are NOT the people who made the decisions or carried out the work anyway. So "not up to the job they've been employed to do" doesn't apply.
All irrelevant anyway. It's simply not acceptable to think the best response to a change you don't like on a website is to abuse and insult the staff.
Why can't the devs respond? - they have in the past
Let's just say there is a history of poor organisation, lack of testing, feedback any kind of bug tracking etc.
The revamp of the classifieds was an utter disaster (it was clearly not ready and still the button was pushed) and it has just been rinse and repeat since then
Several people have offered to help since there are obviously systemic issues - we can only speculate but there are ways of doing everything better than is happening currently from change control through testing to removing "commercial" pressures
It's a first class case study in how not to develop a site
If they are being instructed to implement it and they know it's wrong/won't work then man up!
and what happened to the PH labs ?
zarjaz1991 said:
fatboy b said:
Sorry but
Glad it's so amusing. They are all valid points though. Are you seriously telling me that you think it's ok to insult and abuse public facing staff of a company, just because they've made changes you happen not to like?Vaud said:
It's a good question; I think one of the technical team answered before - combination of reasons IIRC: complexity of data and forum migration, most off the shelf won't scale to the level PH needs, etc
Migration would be a huge job, perhaps even not possible with the resources PH have available, but the notion that 'off the shelf' forum software couldn't handle it is nonsense.ArsTechnica forums run on phpBB - https://arstechnica.com/civis/ - couldn't see stats on the home page, just scroll through and you'll see it's a huge forum.
SomethingAwful runs on VBulletin - https://forums.somethingawful.com/ - 197k registered users, 2.6m threads, 63m posts, and 3.3m archived threads, 177m archived posts.
SonicShadow said:
Vaud said:
It's a good question; I think one of the technical team answered before - combination of reasons IIRC: complexity of data and forum migration, most off the shelf won't scale to the level PH needs, etc
Migration would be a huge job, perhaps even not possible with the resources PH have available, but the notion that 'off the shelf' forum software couldn't handle it is nonsense.ArsTechnica forums run on phpBB - https://arstechnica.com/civis/ - couldn't see stats on the home page, just scroll through and you'll see it's a huge forum.
SomethingAwful runs on VBulletin - https://forums.somethingawful.com/ - 197k registered users, 2.6m threads, 63m posts, and 3.3m archived threads, 177m archived posts.
I do recall that replatforming was on the agenda last year.
fatboy b said:
Interesting while you singled out my post(s) while there are many others posting similar. But while you are entitled to your opinion, you are not a mod, and therefore not entitled to say what I can or can't post on a public forum.
Indeed, I'm entitled to my opinion. I'm not attempting to stop you doing it, merely pointing out why I think it's unacceptable behaviour, and further, trying to get you to justify why you think it's ok.fatboy b said:
Interesting while you singled out my post(s) while there are many others posting similar. But while you are entitled to your opinion, you are not a mod, and therefore not entitled to say what I can or can't post on a public forum.
Actually the mods have, historically at least, encouraged peer moderation on PH.You don't need to be a mod to call out bad posting etiquette.
You do, of course, need to be a mod to edit/delete/ban.
Vaud said:
Actually the mods have, historically at least, encouraged peer moderation on PH.
You don't need to be a mod to call out bad posting etiquette.
You do, of course, need to be a mod to edit/delete/ban.
Just as well...I recently read a terrible post, full of bad grammar, poor spelling and making a really poor point. "I'd ban an idiot like that", I thought.You don't need to be a mod to call out bad posting etiquette.
You do, of course, need to be a mod to edit/delete/ban.
Turned out it was one of my own posts.
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