LP640 roadster manual rhd
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jdwcd said:
steveirl said:
Yep, the MY09 pearlescent white manual at Top Gear Cars belongs to me
you didnt keep that long thenEdited by steveirl on Thursday 30th October 22:23
Edited by Dolittle on Friday 31st October 21:44
i have been, and am , a great admirer of the murcielago---for its v12, shape and its heritage going back to the countach
but, reading dolittle's posting, and having spoken to a few other EX-owners, and from my own albeit extremelly brief experience, i do wonder if murcie's are difficult long-term ownership propostions ---espcially the e-gear cars?
i understand and accept that these are now old, low volume, hand-built italian supercars, which will always require more than a little bit of attention , but does the murcie fall into that catergory of car, where the electronics/electrical/electro-mechanical items, were just not up to scratch, leading to poor reliability?
clearly these are not every-day cars, but poor reliability, and small but niggling issues ,do mar the overall ownership experience
so, is the murcie inherently unreliable?
And getting the crystal ball out ,will the additional Audi input in the aventador, make it any more reliable, when it is 10 years old?
It would be good to hear the real facts from long-term owners
a lot of murcies seem to change hands within a a year or two
is this a reflection of the sort of people who are attracted to lamborghinis, or a reflection upon murcielagos?
as i said in the paragraph above, it would be really good to hear honest , long term experiences of the murcie, and we would all understand the limitations inherent in a low volume car
but, reading dolittle's posting, and having spoken to a few other EX-owners, and from my own albeit extremelly brief experience, i do wonder if murcie's are difficult long-term ownership propostions ---espcially the e-gear cars?
i understand and accept that these are now old, low volume, hand-built italian supercars, which will always require more than a little bit of attention , but does the murcie fall into that catergory of car, where the electronics/electrical/electro-mechanical items, were just not up to scratch, leading to poor reliability?
clearly these are not every-day cars, but poor reliability, and small but niggling issues ,do mar the overall ownership experience
so, is the murcie inherently unreliable?
And getting the crystal ball out ,will the additional Audi input in the aventador, make it any more reliable, when it is 10 years old?
It would be good to hear the real facts from long-term owners
a lot of murcies seem to change hands within a a year or two
is this a reflection of the sort of people who are attracted to lamborghinis, or a reflection upon murcielagos?
as i said in the paragraph above, it would be really good to hear honest , long term experiences of the murcie, and we would all understand the limitations inherent in a low volume car
Edited by carspath on Saturday 1st November 00:32
labrit said:
Interesting.
So out of the 5 listed, we can guarantee that two don't have original PU's.
I have to admit that even after being in the motor trade for over 30 years I'd never heard the term PU used to describe a front bumper/nose cone, what does it stand for? So out of the 5 listed, we can guarantee that two don't have original PU's.
Anyhow, apparently one of the two cars you mention does actually have its original part .. I was actually interested in buying the very car and asked why it looked different, the salesman said the front had suffered lower damage due to bottoming out on a steep drive and so in his words "we rounded it off". The car has also been completely repainted (engine bay too) and so I decided to keep looking.
carspath said:
i have been, and am , a great admirer of the murcielago---for its v12, shape and its heritage going back to the countach
but, reading dolittle's posting, and having spoken to a few other EX-owners, and from my own albeit extremelly brief experience, i do wonder if murcie's are difficult long-term ownership propostions ---espcially the e-gear cars?
i understand and accept that these are now old, low volume, hand-built italian supercars, which will always require more than a little bit of attention , but does the murcie fall into that catergory of car, where the electronics/electrical/electro-mechanical items, were just not up to scratch, leading to poor reliability?
clearly these are not every-day cars, but poor reliability, and small but niggling issues ,do mar the overall ownership experience
so, is the murcie inherently unreliable?
And getting the crystal ball out ,will the additional Audi input in the aventador, make it any more reliable, when it is 10 years old?
It would be good to hear the real facts from long-term owners
a lot of murcies seem to change hands within a a year or two
is this a reflection of the sort of people who are attracted to lamborghinis, or a reflection upon murcielagos?
as i said in the paragraph above, it would be really good to hear honest , long term experiences of the murcie, and we would all understand the limitations inherent in a low volume car
Here is my experience.but, reading dolittle's posting, and having spoken to a few other EX-owners, and from my own albeit extremelly brief experience, i do wonder if murcie's are difficult long-term ownership propostions ---espcially the e-gear cars?
i understand and accept that these are now old, low volume, hand-built italian supercars, which will always require more than a little bit of attention , but does the murcie fall into that catergory of car, where the electronics/electrical/electro-mechanical items, were just not up to scratch, leading to poor reliability?
clearly these are not every-day cars, but poor reliability, and small but niggling issues ,do mar the overall ownership experience
so, is the murcie inherently unreliable?
And getting the crystal ball out ,will the additional Audi input in the aventador, make it any more reliable, when it is 10 years old?
It would be good to hear the real facts from long-term owners
a lot of murcies seem to change hands within a a year or two
is this a reflection of the sort of people who are attracted to lamborghinis, or a reflection upon murcielagos?
as i said in the paragraph above, it would be really good to hear honest , long term experiences of the murcie, and we would all understand the limitations inherent in a low volume car
Edited by carspath on Saturday 1st November 00:32
I bought my 2002 Murcielago just over a year ago. I made my purchase in the totally wrong way. I bought with my heart and not my head, trusting what I was being told about it by both the seller and the well known indy who gave it, it's 'recent major service'.
i DIDNT bother getting an inspection, I feel so foolish now, I trusted the seller, I also trusted the well known indy (who for some reason has an excellent reputation) who had given it an apparent major service. I asked the Indy, is this a good car, is there anything wrong with it, to which he replied 'It's a good car, only a few little things, but nothing worth worrying about'.
On the day it was delivered by the Indy, for a fee he trailered it down from Scotland to me, I was over the moon, seemed like a lovely car. First thing I did, which I always do is check the oil, there was no oil, hardly any at all, what was in there was as black as soot. Alarm bells immediately started to ring. How could anyone let the oil get that low??? I thought this had just had a major service??? The paid invoices say it has had a major service??? I ended up taking it to a main dealer for a very quick look over and a small service. I was told that there was no way my car had been serviced, they showed me the oil filter etc. To prove the point even more, the filler plug on one of the differentials was totally rounded off, it was impossible to remove. Had this car of had a major service like the receipts show and the diff oil replaced, surely when seeing this rounded off bolt, it would have been removed and replaced. (I ended up having to go to an engineering company in the end who took four hours, as I watched to remove this bolt. In their opinion it had been stuck for quite a few years)
To cut a long story short, I had a buyer for my car, he had the car inspected, they found a list as long as your arm of problems. Most thankfully silly things. But they did include a leaky head gasket, and a noise coming from the diff that needed investigating. Luckily my buyer was an intelligent guy and could see past all of this, and throw some money at the car. I made an alteration to the price and sold the car. You really could write a book about this experience.
Anyway in short. If your buying a car from a stranger, your neighbour or even your mother, get an inspection! It's a hell of a lot cheaper in the long run. Trust no one.
dolittle--thank you for enlightening me/us
i have , over the last month, been kicking myself (and even more so, my wife kicking me !!!) for being unduly demanding, of a second-hand murcie that i paid for, and then rejected on delivery .
the difference between your situation and mine, is that the car i was looking at , is i believe , a good car, and the dealer perfectly honourable
having read your post, i feel a lot less bad, about being wary
like you, this would have been a big purchase for me, and the first ''toy car'' i would have bought in 7 years
the take home message , seems to be that one should , learn (mainly from the forums and magazines) about a model thoroughly beforehand , be very alert in appraising the individual car , and get a MD ppi
the counterpoint lessons, i have learnt , are not to have unreal expectations of a second -hand car (whatever its value) , and to accept the concept of mechanical fragility
i have , over the last month, been kicking myself (and even more so, my wife kicking me !!!) for being unduly demanding, of a second-hand murcie that i paid for, and then rejected on delivery .
the difference between your situation and mine, is that the car i was looking at , is i believe , a good car, and the dealer perfectly honourable
having read your post, i feel a lot less bad, about being wary
like you, this would have been a big purchase for me, and the first ''toy car'' i would have bought in 7 years
the take home message , seems to be that one should , learn (mainly from the forums and magazines) about a model thoroughly beforehand , be very alert in appraising the individual car , and get a MD ppi
the counterpoint lessons, i have learnt , are not to have unreal expectations of a second -hand car (whatever its value) , and to accept the concept of mechanical fragility
carspath said:
dolittle--thank you for enlightening me/us
i have , over the last month, been kicking myself (and even more so, my wife kicking me !!!) for being unduly demanding, of a second-hand murcie that i paid for, and then rejected on delivery .
the difference between your situation and mine, is that the car i was looking at , is i believe , a good car, and the dealer perfectly honourable
having read your post, i feel a lot less bad, about being wary
like you, this would have been a big purchase for me, and the first ''toy car'' i would have bought in 7 years
the take home message , seems to be that one should , learn (mainly from the forums and magazines) about a model thoroughly beforehand , be very alert in appraising the individual car , and get a MD ppi
the counterpoint lessons, i have learnt , are not to have unreal expectations of a second -hand car (whatever its value) , and to accept the concept of mechanical fragility
are they one assumes too old to be bought with a Lambo warranty?i have , over the last month, been kicking myself (and even more so, my wife kicking me !!!) for being unduly demanding, of a second-hand murcie that i paid for, and then rejected on delivery .
the difference between your situation and mine, is that the car i was looking at , is i believe , a good car, and the dealer perfectly honourable
having read your post, i feel a lot less bad, about being wary
like you, this would have been a big purchase for me, and the first ''toy car'' i would have bought in 7 years
the take home message , seems to be that one should , learn (mainly from the forums and magazines) about a model thoroughly beforehand , be very alert in appraising the individual car , and get a MD ppi
the counterpoint lessons, i have learnt , are not to have unreal expectations of a second -hand car (whatever its value) , and to accept the concept of mechanical fragility
andymc--the car I dealt on, was a 2005 murcie roadster at an independent dealer , and as far as I was aware there was no 3rd party warranty----just the statutory rights that one has in buying from a dealer
the other car I looked at, was also a roadster, of similar vintage and price, but with a higher mileage.
It was being sold at a lambo main dealer , and it did come with a warranty,( I cant remember whether for a year or for 6 months)but interestingly the warranty was with Bentley and not with Lamborghini.
The MD Lambo sales person explained that the UK is the only country in the EU where such a car could not be sold by a MD with a factory warranty
the other car I looked at, was also a roadster, of similar vintage and price, but with a higher mileage.
It was being sold at a lambo main dealer , and it did come with a warranty,( I cant remember whether for a year or for 6 months)but interestingly the warranty was with Bentley and not with Lamborghini.
The MD Lambo sales person explained that the UK is the only country in the EU where such a car could not be sold by a MD with a factory warranty
Buying a Lambo, what do you expect?
Handmade by Italians.
I suppose it depends whether you're an optimist or a pessimist.
If it starts, the engine doesn't blow up and the brakes and gear box work, I've always thought I'm doing ok.
I have had one engine blow. The factory were "surprised" and "interested". And did a deal on a replacement.
It's part of the experience you don't get with a Honda.
I bought a 2002 Murci off a longstanding dealer. A number of little niggles despite what I was told.
Had a big service at HRO. Little red suspension light back on within 70 miles despite two attempts at sorting it.
But, eh, it doesn't seem to affect anything?
AND YET it starts, goes like stink and makes people (including me) smile; it was a quarter the price of an Aventador and less half the price it cost someone new. That's the trade with any secondhand Lambo. Always has been; always will be I hope.
Handmade by Italians.
I suppose it depends whether you're an optimist or a pessimist.
If it starts, the engine doesn't blow up and the brakes and gear box work, I've always thought I'm doing ok.
I have had one engine blow. The factory were "surprised" and "interested". And did a deal on a replacement.
It's part of the experience you don't get with a Honda.
I bought a 2002 Murci off a longstanding dealer. A number of little niggles despite what I was told.
Had a big service at HRO. Little red suspension light back on within 70 miles despite two attempts at sorting it.
But, eh, it doesn't seem to affect anything?
AND YET it starts, goes like stink and makes people (including me) smile; it was a quarter the price of an Aventador and less half the price it cost someone new. That's the trade with any secondhand Lambo. Always has been; always will be I hope.
I still miss that car
I hope your still enjoying it, if you ever look to sell let me know
When I purchased my Roadster upgrade there was a few tiny niggles but all history now and part on the parcel, people still get these sorts of issues with brand new cars so no big deal.
Bring on the spring
I hope your still enjoying it, if you ever look to sell let me know
When I purchased my Roadster upgrade there was a few tiny niggles but all history now and part on the parcel, people still get these sorts of issues with brand new cars so no big deal.
Bring on the spring
carspath said:
i have been, and am , a great admirer of the murcielago---for its v12, shape and its heritage going back to the countach
but, reading dolittle's posting, and having spoken to a few other EX-owners, and from my own albeit extremelly brief experience, i do wonder if murcie's are difficult long-term ownership propostions ---espcially the e-gear cars?
i understand and accept that these are now old, low volume, hand-built italian supercars, which will always require more than a little bit of attention , but does the murcie fall into that catergory of car, where the electronics/electrical/electro-mechanical items, were just not up to scratch, leading to poor reliability?
clearly these are not every-day cars, but poor reliability, and small but niggling issues ,do mar the overall ownership experience
so, is the murcie inherently unreliable?
And getting the crystal ball out ,will the additional Audi input in the aventador, make it any more reliable, when it is 10 years old?
It would be good to hear the real facts from long-term owners
a lot of murcies seem to change hands within a a year or two
is this a reflection of the sort of people who are attracted to lamborghinis, or a reflection upon murcielagos?
as i said in the paragraph above, it would be really good to hear honest , long term experiences of the murcie, and we would all understand the limitations inherent in a low volume car
i bought my 2004 e-gear in june 2013; supposedly with a new (kevlar) clutch fitted by a well known independent (car purchased privately, but picked up from the independent garage after the clutch work).but, reading dolittle's posting, and having spoken to a few other EX-owners, and from my own albeit extremelly brief experience, i do wonder if murcie's are difficult long-term ownership propostions ---espcially the e-gear cars?
i understand and accept that these are now old, low volume, hand-built italian supercars, which will always require more than a little bit of attention , but does the murcie fall into that catergory of car, where the electronics/electrical/electro-mechanical items, were just not up to scratch, leading to poor reliability?
clearly these are not every-day cars, but poor reliability, and small but niggling issues ,do mar the overall ownership experience
so, is the murcie inherently unreliable?
And getting the crystal ball out ,will the additional Audi input in the aventador, make it any more reliable, when it is 10 years old?
It would be good to hear the real facts from long-term owners
a lot of murcies seem to change hands within a a year or two
is this a reflection of the sort of people who are attracted to lamborghinis, or a reflection upon murcielagos?
as i said in the paragraph above, it would be really good to hear honest , long term experiences of the murcie, and we would all understand the limitations inherent in a low volume car
Edited by carspath on Saturday 1st November 00:32
I did drive it everyday to work, the shops, gym etc; otherwise why bother? (I have 2 other cars, but love driving the lambo!)
-clutch lasted 1500miles; part of that mileage included going back to the independent for the throttle bodies to be changed (known problem).
-coolant hose in the engine "v" burst within 150 miles of picking up
-oil light on at idle from pick up; car returned for an oil change and wrong grade of oil supplied....
Around easter this year, I had enough. I pulled the engine and gearbox out and removed the clutch. I got the clutch refaced (kevlar) and the flywheel and pressure plate all machined locally in the UK (maddog clutches- excellent work!) for £850 (bargain compared to USA versions!!). Throw out bearing is from an Audi R8 (or LP560 gallardo).
The clutch when pulled, was not kevlar, and the flywheel and pressure plate where clearly not machined when the friction plate was replaced (ceramic-metal puck clutch!!)...with original throwout bearing (who does this??)
I was about to refit this lot, when I thought- I live in central london, the e-gear hardly ever gets a chance to fully release the clutch in central london traffic (but is awesome on the freeway). So I decided to convert the car to manual- I sourced a manual box, master cylinder & slave, pipes, pedal box, shift tower. all from USA based auto-recyclers (actually box i got locally). Total spend £3.5K, but I still need to buy a speedo and 2x ECUs.
See the thing is, because they are old, and hand built, anyone can work on these cars- I'm an ex investment banker (now in private equity), and cars are my hobby. I don't even have a garage (live in an apartment, and am doing this in a quiet corner of my apartment's underground car park- see pic). I just bought an engine hoist on eBay, and some hand tools from Halfords, and bought a pirate CD of the workshop manual of eBay as well. You need next to know special tools, and the few you do, you can make/borrow/rent (haven't needed these yet- but do need one special tool to check the valve clearances before i re-install the engine).
The cars are not inherently un-reliable; just people cut to many corners maintenance wise- these are older cars now, and when I stripped the engine bay I noticed the rubber vapour lines from the petrol tank to the oil tank (incorporating the separator) where split in places- thats a fire waiting to happen! Some of the coolant hoses where bulging, so needed replacing- the parts are cheap (even though i replaced them with silicon hoses), but the labour would have been a HUGE bill.... i took the time to remove the radiators and refurbish them, same with the oil tank (straightening the bent drain tube), installed an uprated oil cooler etc. Very few specialist parts- fans are regular SPAL parts etc.
These cars are easy to maintain- just as long as you remember most jobs are engine out for access. If you have a manual car, you don't need to remove the engine to change the clutch, with an egear you do (and the gearbox). But if you pull the engine yourself, then it all becomes easy.... and relatively cheap.
here's a pic:
Edited by SydneySE on Wednesday 3rd December 01:12
Blimey.
Years and years ago, I tried something like this (but not nearly as complex) with a mate on my VW Scirocco.
Trouble was, when we put it all back together, there were two or three bits left on the drive......
Still, didn't seem to make a difference!
Is it really sensibly possible these days with all the electronics??
Years and years ago, I tried something like this (but not nearly as complex) with a mate on my VW Scirocco.
Trouble was, when we put it all back together, there were two or three bits left on the drive......
Still, didn't seem to make a difference!
Is it really sensibly possible these days with all the electronics??
Ferruccio said:
Blimey.
Years and years ago, I tried something like this (but not nearly as complex) with a mate on my VW Scirocco.
Trouble was, when we put it all back together, there were two or three bits left on the drive......
Still, didn't seem to make a difference!
Is it really sensibly possible these days with all the electronics??
you just have to be methodical. label wires etc. Most actually only clip on with specific connectors, so you cant really go wrong. There is nothing tricky about electronics- wires clip to sensors on one end (engine bay) and go to an ECU on the other end (in the car). when you unclip the connectors, you're left with a regular motor. Years and years ago, I tried something like this (but not nearly as complex) with a mate on my VW Scirocco.
Trouble was, when we put it all back together, there were two or three bits left on the drive......
Still, didn't seem to make a difference!
Is it really sensibly possible these days with all the electronics??
Mechanically its pretty simple; ridiculously so. Its no worse than working on an any other 90s car (its really not much different to diablo).
Once stripped down, its seriously not much better than a kit car or a TVR in the way the frame is put together. The also lie about the "carbon fibre" construction- its actually a mixture of carbon fibre and fibreglass (like the Diablo) i.e layers of fibreglass backed by carbon fibre- as far as I can tell.
I've since found out that the Ferrari F350/430 have the same e-gear mechanism, and the clutch is the same as the F599... This makes sense- I've driven the fezza F1 box cars, and they have the same clutch issues in city traffic (rubbish).
The big cost factor with these cars is that apart from changing the water pump/thermostat or air con compressor or alternator, everything else is an engine out proposition- this automatically adds £2500 (remove/replace) to the bill before you do any work. This tends to lead to cost cutting in service/maintenance- best case people do the bare minimum rather than doing preventative maintenance.
It doesn't help that to many dealers and independents view the owner as someone who will wear a large bill. But it shouldn't have to be this way.
Parts can be gotten quite cheap- I replaced the high level brake light (hella part, from an MG TF/Audi A3 etc); the number plate lights where purchased new from an Audi dealer (£16 the pair, with bulbs! LOL). All you do is look at the part, see the numbers stamped on it, and do an internet search, sure enough you'll find what car its from - usually not a lambo....
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