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flemke said:
Looks good, although not a customer car.
Indeed. They were still making prototypes / demonstrators 2 weeks ago at the factory with 5 of them in final assembly/checks stage.One of them was of this new metallic green colour. May well be the same car.
I have not heard one yet. It will be interesting to hear how the extended tail pipe affect the noise of the car.
Aesthetically, it is a clear improvement on the 650S.
A lot of rumours of a spyder coming soon.... Given how quickly the coupes got away...
RamboLambo said:
AWESOME - looks proper hardcore but would love to add the roof air scoop
Im sure MSO could wangle you one - for a price 
As for the comment about not being a customer car, I believe it is a US spec car and they are testing bits but not entirely sure - great to see photos of one out in the while though, think Its the best looking car they make - after the P1
Green wouldn't be my personal choice but I like the fact it enhances all of the car
mattf93 said:
RamboLambo said:
AWESOME - looks proper hardcore but would love to add the roof air scoop
Im sure MSO could wangle you one - for a price As for the comment about not being a customer car, I believe it is a US spec car and they are testing bits but not entirely sure - great to see photos of one out in the while though, think Its the best looking car they make - after the P1
Green wouldn't be my personal choice but I like the fact it enhances all of the car
mattf93 said:
http://thesupercarkids.com/napier-green-mclaren-67...
Napier Green 675LT Spotted out in the wild (In the UK), good to finally see some up close shots taken out in the wild, what do people think?
I love it - although appreciate green isn't for everyone!
This looks aesthetically outdated before it has even been delivered! It will be a monster on the track, but just doesn't look right. The back end is the best bit. Napier Green 675LT Spotted out in the wild (In the UK), good to finally see some up close shots taken out in the wild, what do people think?
I love it - although appreciate green isn't for everyone!
mb1 said:
Indeed. They were still making prototypes / demonstrators 2 weeks ago at the factory with 5 of them in final assembly/checks stage.
One of them was of this new metallic green colour. May well be the same car.
I have not heard one yet. It will be interesting to hear how the extended tail pipe affect the noise of the car.
Aesthetically, it is a clear improvement on the 650S.
A lot of rumours of a spyder coming soon.... Given how quickly the coupes got away...
There were rumours of a P1 Spider too...from a one-man rumour mill on McLarenLife. Essentially, if McLaren says something he makes up something to contradict it with no sources and a ropey track record. One of them was of this new metallic green colour. May well be the same car.
I have not heard one yet. It will be interesting to hear how the extended tail pipe affect the noise of the car.
Aesthetically, it is a clear improvement on the 650S.
A lot of rumours of a spyder coming soon.... Given how quickly the coupes got away...
You can here the 675LT at idle and low revs here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjbQbHbUm4&fe...
cc8s said:
There were rumours of a P1 Spider too...from a one-man rumour mill on McLarenLife. Essentially, if McLaren says something he makes up something to contradict it with no sources and a ropey track record.
You can here the 675LT at idle and low revs here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjbQbHbUm4&fe...
May be. I do not spend very much time on McLife.You can here the 675LT at idle and low revs here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjbQbHbUm4&fe...
It is true that McLaren might have their hands full with the 540/570 production starting in a few months.
But the P1 is coming to an end pretty soon as well.
The 675 has had a strong success and they could be tempted to maximise it. Although a spyder would not really be in line with the more hard core philosophy of the car.
mb1 said:
cc8s said:
There were rumours of a P1 Spider too...from a one-man rumour mill on McLarenLife. Essentially, if McLaren says something he makes up something to contradict it with no sources and a ropey track record.
You can here the 675LT at idle and low revs here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjbQbHbUm4&fe...
May be. I do not spend very much time on McLife.You can here the 675LT at idle and low revs here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjbQbHbUm4&fe...
It is true that McLaren might have their hands full with the 540/570 production starting in a few months.
But the P1 is coming to an end pretty soon as well.
The 675 has had a strong success and they could be tempted to maximise it. Although a spyder would not really be in line with the more hard core philosophy of the car.
Saying that, and especially as McLaren irritated some loyal customers by announcing the P1 GTR just after they had sold all the "ultimate" P1s, some who have ordered LTs might be rather ticked off if McLaren were to announce a spider version of the "limited edition" LT soon after the order book for the LT coupe had been filled.
Surely some of the people who have ordered LTs would prefer a spider if one were to be built and, if given the choice, would have ordered a spider and not ordered a coupe.
Perhaps worse, surely most of the people who have ordered LTs would consider a spider version to compromise the value of a build-run "limit" of 500, and there is no doubt that the limit of 500 influenced the purchase decision of some customers and in addition helped McLaren to achieve premium pricing for the car.
IINM, roughly 75-80% of normal 650S orders are for the spider version. What would happen to the value of LT coupes if there were a spider version of it? Yes, the LT's ostensible primary purpose, track driving, is more in keeping with a coupe design, but that distinction is greatly mitigated by the fact that, unlike cars with metal chassis, the spider version of the 650S does not compromise stiffness and only slightly compromises weight. Presumably the same would apply to a 675LT spider.
Insult would be added to injury if, were there to be an LT spider, it were to be announced before some clients had even taken delivery of their coupes. I believe that, more than a year from now, they will still be delivering new LTs.
Yes, strictly speaking a coupe and a spider are different things, and McLaren will be making only 500 coupes, but, if they were to announce a spider anytime soon, I know a lot of people would feel that McLaren were followng another Ferrari practice, and not a good one.
Ferrari have been able to get away with shamelessly exploiting their customers because their brand is big enough, and overall demand for their products is strong enough (and, in fairness, because their products at least in recent years have been good enough).
We all would like McLaren Automotive to enjoy the commercial success that Ferrari have done, but it will take a considerable time before that is possible. In the course of their getting there, I think we would like them to live by a higher standard than their Italian counterparts typically do.
I agree in principle. It would be to McLaren's credit not to follow the other brands and finish the P11 line-up with the 675LT coupe.
But, as you mentioned almost all the other brands are doing it... Ferrari (as you explained), Aston Martin (with its V12V, which was originally limited to 1,000, then they forgot and did 1,300, and when they realised people cared they did the V12VR, and then the V12VS...), Porsche to a certain extent (although everyone now knows what is coming).
McLaren customer base is much smaller and they might well be aware that they need to look after them more carefully. And I hope they do.
As a McLaren owner, I think they have created incredible cars in a very limited amount of time. However, saying that they have overshadowed Ferrari is an overstatement that is just not true. McLaren have a proposition which is different. Better in some ways and not as good in others. I am sure Ron will want to see his company take Ferrari all the way. Somehow I would prefer McLaren to remain more niche and different. For example, the McLaren F1 and the 12C are timeless designs that do not try to be "in your face" like most Ferraris, which lead to designs that are very attractive for 2-3 years only. I would prefer the McLaren's to be purer and to keep this british class of smooth and pure lines. Not the recent over complicated designs with speed marks at every corners of the car.
Having said that, I like the 540/570 design and I think the 675 is much better than the 650. But I think they will not age well.
Coming back to the original discussion on 675LT and a potential spider:
McLaren will have the 540/570 in production soon. The 675LT will also be in production in the next couple of month and keep them occupied for 1 year. But what's next ? Are they really going to wait until the 720S (my own take at a name for the next one) to continue the SuperSport series ? The 720S will not be unveiled for at least 2 years, and then delivery will not start for another year. And I even think the timing will be worse because they will most probably need a new power unit.
That is a very long time without a car to compete with the 488, although I think McLaren will be aiming at the Aventador segment with the new one and that Ferrari will introduce a new car above its 488 as well.
If they do not do a 675LT spider, which I agree with you would make sense, then what will they do ? A 675S with no limited numbers ?
Or will they start to bring the 570S up with aerobrake and more power ?
I think the time between the 675LT and the new SuperSport is too long for them not to introduce another car in between.
But, as you mentioned almost all the other brands are doing it... Ferrari (as you explained), Aston Martin (with its V12V, which was originally limited to 1,000, then they forgot and did 1,300, and when they realised people cared they did the V12VR, and then the V12VS...), Porsche to a certain extent (although everyone now knows what is coming).
McLaren customer base is much smaller and they might well be aware that they need to look after them more carefully. And I hope they do.
As a McLaren owner, I think they have created incredible cars in a very limited amount of time. However, saying that they have overshadowed Ferrari is an overstatement that is just not true. McLaren have a proposition which is different. Better in some ways and not as good in others. I am sure Ron will want to see his company take Ferrari all the way. Somehow I would prefer McLaren to remain more niche and different. For example, the McLaren F1 and the 12C are timeless designs that do not try to be "in your face" like most Ferraris, which lead to designs that are very attractive for 2-3 years only. I would prefer the McLaren's to be purer and to keep this british class of smooth and pure lines. Not the recent over complicated designs with speed marks at every corners of the car.
Having said that, I like the 540/570 design and I think the 675 is much better than the 650. But I think they will not age well.
Coming back to the original discussion on 675LT and a potential spider:
McLaren will have the 540/570 in production soon. The 675LT will also be in production in the next couple of month and keep them occupied for 1 year. But what's next ? Are they really going to wait until the 720S (my own take at a name for the next one) to continue the SuperSport series ? The 720S will not be unveiled for at least 2 years, and then delivery will not start for another year. And I even think the timing will be worse because they will most probably need a new power unit.
That is a very long time without a car to compete with the 488, although I think McLaren will be aiming at the Aventador segment with the new one and that Ferrari will introduce a new car above its 488 as well.
If they do not do a 675LT spider, which I agree with you would make sense, then what will they do ? A 675S with no limited numbers ?
Or will they start to bring the 570S up with aerobrake and more power ?
I think the time between the 675LT and the new SuperSport is too long for them not to introduce another car in between.
mb1,
A few comments, if I may:
- Regarding how limited "limited editions" tend to be, I think Ferrari are the worst offenders if only because, relative to most other makers, they produce smallish numbers that lend themselves to being "limited", and at the same time they know they can easily sell more than 500 of anything that they make.
Aston Martin, I am afraid, I still cannot take entirely seriously. I don't closely follow what they do.
My sense is that the German makers are pretty good about abiding by what they say or imply they will do. Porsche with the 4.0, for example: they could have easily sold another 500 if they had tried.
- I didn't say that McLaren had "overshadowed" Ferrari. I said that they had "shadowed" Ferrari. By that I meant that McLaren have been inspired by or almost copied a number of things that Ferrari have already done, and that this is why we should not be surprised if, as Ferrari have done with their "track-biased" 430 Scuderia Spider and 458 Speciale A, McLaren were to offer a 675LT spider.
- I agree that it would be preferable in a personal, aesthetic sense for McLaren to remain a niche company, and indeed the reason that some people have bought McLarens is precisely because they are, for the moment, a niche road car company.
The problem, as you no doubt are aware, is that the development costs for a good car, especially a high performance car that aspires to be different from the rest and to be technologically advanced, are staggering. The maker is forced either to charge an almost infeasibly large amount per unit or to sell a lot of units.
- Wrt a gap in their new product schedule that may need to be filled, I believe there is on the way at least one additional thing which will help to fill it.
Cheers
A few comments, if I may:
- Regarding how limited "limited editions" tend to be, I think Ferrari are the worst offenders if only because, relative to most other makers, they produce smallish numbers that lend themselves to being "limited", and at the same time they know they can easily sell more than 500 of anything that they make.
Aston Martin, I am afraid, I still cannot take entirely seriously. I don't closely follow what they do.
My sense is that the German makers are pretty good about abiding by what they say or imply they will do. Porsche with the 4.0, for example: they could have easily sold another 500 if they had tried.
- I didn't say that McLaren had "overshadowed" Ferrari. I said that they had "shadowed" Ferrari. By that I meant that McLaren have been inspired by or almost copied a number of things that Ferrari have already done, and that this is why we should not be surprised if, as Ferrari have done with their "track-biased" 430 Scuderia Spider and 458 Speciale A, McLaren were to offer a 675LT spider.
- I agree that it would be preferable in a personal, aesthetic sense for McLaren to remain a niche company, and indeed the reason that some people have bought McLarens is precisely because they are, for the moment, a niche road car company.
The problem, as you no doubt are aware, is that the development costs for a good car, especially a high performance car that aspires to be different from the rest and to be technologically advanced, are staggering. The maker is forced either to charge an almost infeasibly large amount per unit or to sell a lot of units.
- Wrt a gap in their new product schedule that may need to be filled, I believe there is on the way at least one additional thing which will help to fill it.
Cheers
flemke said:
mb1,
A few comments, if I may:
- Regarding how limited "limited editions" tend to be, I think Ferrari are the worst offenders if only because, relative to most other makers, they produce smallish numbers that lend themselves to being "limited", and at the same time they know they can easily sell more than 500 of anything that they make.
Aston Martin, I am afraid, I still cannot take entirely seriously. I don't closely follow what they do.
My sense is that the German makers are pretty good about abiding by what they say or imply they will do. Porsche with the 4.0, for example: they could have easily sold another 500 if they had tried.
- I didn't say that McLaren had "overshadowed" Ferrari. I said that they had "shadowed" Ferrari. By that I meant that McLaren have been inspired by or almost copied a number of things that Ferrari have already done, and that this is why we should not be surprised if, as Ferrari have done with their "track-biased" 430 Scuderia Spider and 458 Speciale A, McLaren were to offer a 675LT spider.
- I agree that it would be preferable in a personal, aesthetic sense for McLaren to remain a niche company, and indeed the reason that some people have bought McLarens is precisely because they are, for the moment, a niche road car company.
The problem, as you no doubt are aware, is that the development costs for a good car, especially a high performance car that aspires to be different from the rest and to be technologically advanced, are staggering. The maker is forced either to charge an almost infeasibly large amount per unit or to sell a lot of units.
- Wrt a gap in their new product schedule that may need to be filled, I believe there is on the way at least one additional thing which will help to fill it.
Cheers
Thanks flemke.A few comments, if I may:
- Regarding how limited "limited editions" tend to be, I think Ferrari are the worst offenders if only because, relative to most other makers, they produce smallish numbers that lend themselves to being "limited", and at the same time they know they can easily sell more than 500 of anything that they make.
Aston Martin, I am afraid, I still cannot take entirely seriously. I don't closely follow what they do.
My sense is that the German makers are pretty good about abiding by what they say or imply they will do. Porsche with the 4.0, for example: they could have easily sold another 500 if they had tried.
- I didn't say that McLaren had "overshadowed" Ferrari. I said that they had "shadowed" Ferrari. By that I meant that McLaren have been inspired by or almost copied a number of things that Ferrari have already done, and that this is why we should not be surprised if, as Ferrari have done with their "track-biased" 430 Scuderia Spider and 458 Speciale A, McLaren were to offer a 675LT spider.
- I agree that it would be preferable in a personal, aesthetic sense for McLaren to remain a niche company, and indeed the reason that some people have bought McLarens is precisely because they are, for the moment, a niche road car company.
The problem, as you no doubt are aware, is that the development costs for a good car, especially a high performance car that aspires to be different from the rest and to be technologically advanced, are staggering. The maker is forced either to charge an almost infeasibly large amount per unit or to sell a lot of units.
- Wrt a gap in their new product schedule that may need to be filled, I believe there is on the way at least one additional thing which will help to fill it.
Cheers
my apologies for misreading shadowing for overshadowing... There are quite a few on here that jump the gun to world domination that it is easy to put words in one's mouth !
I hope you are right and I look forward to seeing what is coming next.
flemke said:
By that I meant that McLaren have been inspired by or almost copied a number of things that Ferrari have already done, and that this is why we should not be surprised if, as Ferrari have done with their "track-biased" 430 Scuderia Spider and 458 Speciale A, McLaren were to offer a 675LT spider.
It is surprising how definitively some here have stated there will be no 675 spider. From what I am led to believe there are reasonably advanced plans to produce one although I really very much hope I am wrong about this especially given Woking has told at least some people previously that no spider variant will be when pitching for 675 orders. As an aside one also does hope that Mclaren are not planning to follow Ferrari in every way given it seems likely the 675 will bear a "1 of 500" plate rather than a proper numbered plate....like say the P1 or Porsche have numbered their limited edition cars. That "1/499" type plate system seems to have allowed let's just say anything from quite a few more to a heck of a lot more of just about any limited edition car Ferrari have produced in recent memory....
isaldiri said:
It is surprising how definitively some here have stated there will be no 675 spider. From what I am led to believe there are reasonably advanced plans to produce one although I really very much hope I am wrong about this especially given Woking has told at least some people previously that no spider variant will be when pitching for 675 orders.
As an aside one also does hope that Mclaren are not planning to follow Ferrari in every way given it seems likely the 675 will bear a "1 of 500" plate rather than a proper numbered plate....like say the P1 or Porsche have numbered their limited edition cars. That "1/499" type plate system seems to have allowed let's just say anything from quite a few more to a heck of a lot more of just about any limited edition car Ferrari have produced in recent memory....
Can't believe you are suggesteing the Italians are anything but honest ?!As an aside one also does hope that Mclaren are not planning to follow Ferrari in every way given it seems likely the 675 will bear a "1 of 500" plate rather than a proper numbered plate....like say the P1 or Porsche have numbered their limited edition cars. That "1/499" type plate system seems to have allowed let's just say anything from quite a few more to a heck of a lot more of just about any limited edition car Ferrari have produced in recent memory....
Just because they can't count, get to 498 and start again
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