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I take your point about being upset with McLaren selling PP's and adding a few extra cars to the world. Ferrari have been doing it for years. They've even stopped numbering their cars!
Is this really so bad?
I REALLY hope McLaren make the 675LTSpider - what's not to like? If you're a p1ssed off 675LT owner (and by the way - that is a totally first world problem) - then sell your coupe - they're many more people who didn't get hold of one who will take it off your hands.
I am very happy that a British Company is doing so well (although you'd never have guessed it reading this thread).....
Is this really so bad?
I REALLY hope McLaren make the 675LTSpider - what's not to like? If you're a p1ssed off 675LT owner (and by the way - that is a totally first world problem) - then sell your coupe - they're many more people who didn't get hold of one who will take it off your hands.
I am very happy that a British Company is doing so well (although you'd never have guessed it reading this thread).....
Guys. I take you point about the statement that there will be 500 LT coupes made. And there are, If McLaren decide to make additional cars available to a few luck customers than that's good (in my view) as there will be more available on the market. And should McLaren decide to make the Spider version, then I will be very happy - and look forward to the decision being made in the future and hope to be able to buy one.
With regards to the PP for 675LT and P1 - if the carbon fibre chassis is strong enough to withstand serious usage and any accidents - then this is a testimony to the strength of the CF and should deb applauded for what it is -it really should be. Get over yourselves! The GTR programme is what Ferrari do with the FXX programme, which ultimately benefits the stock models with understanding how badly we drive the cars and allow the manufacturers the opportunity to assess how bad a mortal driver (i.e. a non-racing driver) is versus a racing driver with real telemetry and develop software to assist mere mortals in the stock cars - you can thank that for the 599 GTO an the SSC and SSC2 software, which by the way makes me feel like I'm a driving god in my Speciale! But, sadly, I know that I'm not! Let's face it - if we were good enough to race competitively we would all be doing it - but we're not and have to make our living by other means. I believe that the McLaren GTR programme will allow McLaren to do the same and develop power and software upgrades for the P1 and other platforms. This is a good thing, is it not?
What are we REALLY talking about? Is it the Future Value of the car (based on the limited number of 500) - as this is what appears to be unsaid agenda - and you can thank a few people who appear to have a crystal ball predicting future prices and regularly discuss this ad nauseum.......I've been buying super cars for many years and, generally, after real usage and in a normal market - they were worth less than what I paid. This was normal. But today, in the crazy market, if you can get one, you buy a car, garage it, then sell it for more than you paid originally. This is not a normal market and will correct itself in due course.....
Anyway - enjoy you cars! Cars are for driving - not being garage queens......And if you really don't like it - sell your cars and be angry old men!
With regards to the PP for 675LT and P1 - if the carbon fibre chassis is strong enough to withstand serious usage and any accidents - then this is a testimony to the strength of the CF and should deb applauded for what it is -it really should be. Get over yourselves! The GTR programme is what Ferrari do with the FXX programme, which ultimately benefits the stock models with understanding how badly we drive the cars and allow the manufacturers the opportunity to assess how bad a mortal driver (i.e. a non-racing driver) is versus a racing driver with real telemetry and develop software to assist mere mortals in the stock cars - you can thank that for the 599 GTO an the SSC and SSC2 software, which by the way makes me feel like I'm a driving god in my Speciale! But, sadly, I know that I'm not! Let's face it - if we were good enough to race competitively we would all be doing it - but we're not and have to make our living by other means. I believe that the McLaren GTR programme will allow McLaren to do the same and develop power and software upgrades for the P1 and other platforms. This is a good thing, is it not?
What are we REALLY talking about? Is it the Future Value of the car (based on the limited number of 500) - as this is what appears to be unsaid agenda - and you can thank a few people who appear to have a crystal ball predicting future prices and regularly discuss this ad nauseum.......I've been buying super cars for many years and, generally, after real usage and in a normal market - they were worth less than what I paid. This was normal. But today, in the crazy market, if you can get one, you buy a car, garage it, then sell it for more than you paid originally. This is not a normal market and will correct itself in due course.....
Anyway - enjoy you cars! Cars are for driving - not being garage queens......And if you really don't like it - sell your cars and be angry old men!
flemke said:
So your argument is that it is fine for McLaren to break their commitments and shaft the 500 customers who have bought LT coupes, because you personally would like to buy an LT spider?
Seems perfectly reasonable....
Flemke - I do want a 675LTS. Why wouldn't you? Seems perfectly reasonable....
I am not arguing. Frankly I couldn't care if McLaren made 1,000/2,000 LT's. It's not me that's pissed off that there are more than 500 cars. I can only imagine it is to do with the perceived future value, IMHO. I think that if the complainers/people that are upset/feel so strong about there being more than 500 cars (with the PP's etc.) then they should either sell the cars (to people that wanted them in the first place) - or get out of the brand.....P1's/F1's/675LT's/650's - whatever.
Edited by Anjum on Wednesday 18th November 15:45
flemke said:
Although it may not apply to you, to a lot of other people £300k is a hell of a lot of money. There will be people who really had to stretch to buy one of these cars, and for whom a big hit in depreciation would put a real dent in their personal finances. Fair enough insofar as those people were prepared to take a normal risk, but not fair enough that the normal risk should now be multiplied because the vendors broke their word in a cynical, selfish way. And now for the vendors to have the nerve to say that in producing a spider they would be "responding to customer demand" - what complete crap.
Having finished the P1 limited build-run - sold out at 375 units - should they casually knock out more cars merely on the basis of additional "customer demand"? Oh, wait - they've done that too.
Please tell us this: why do you think McLaren in the first place said that they would be making "only 500" coupes, or "only coupes"?
Do you think they said that merely to fill in the space on the page?
Did they pick 500 randomly?
Why would they limit themselves to "only 500" coupes if, without that limit, they might possibly have sold 1000 or 1500 coupes, satisfying further customer demand in the way that you seem to think a responsible manufacturer of limited edition products should do ?
What motive would McLaren have had for limiting themselves before the fact to only 500?
Sorry - been out of the country for a few days. I'm not as close to McLaren as I would like (or some of you are) - and to answer your question I believe that the statement was 500 coupes will be built - I could be wrong - but (as I believe has been mentioned)I think we are seeing a company that is growing up for a standing start. And it just gets better and better. I can understand if you're pissed off, but I do think that McLaren will do the right thing for it's customers. I would still love for McLaren to make a spider version, as I really think it would be epic!Having finished the P1 limited build-run - sold out at 375 units - should they casually knock out more cars merely on the basis of additional "customer demand"? Oh, wait - they've done that too.
Please tell us this: why do you think McLaren in the first place said that they would be making "only 500" coupes, or "only coupes"?
Do you think they said that merely to fill in the space on the page?
Did they pick 500 randomly?
Why would they limit themselves to "only 500" coupes if, without that limit, they might possibly have sold 1000 or 1500 coupes, satisfying further customer demand in the way that you seem to think a responsible manufacturer of limited edition products should do ?
What motive would McLaren have had for limiting themselves before the fact to only 500?
Anyway - would love to make the Christmas ball - but will be out of the country again - maybe next year!
rs200evo said:
TrackTwit said:
Just sayin.
I think the difference is that this car has a carbon tub. There is very little downside apart from a little extra weight. I'd take this over the coupe for the extra benefit of being able to get the roof down when not on track....flemke said:
Yes, I am pretty p.o.'d at McLaren, of whom many people including me expected integrity and higher ethical standards than Ferrari-level cavalino 5hit.
Of their 3 recent transgressions, I think the worst was adding another 15 P1s to the "fixed" build-run of 375, under the ludicrous pretext that they started life as prototypes and therefore somehow they don't count as P1s. WTF are they supposed to be - P1.5s?
Not that it will make any difference to McLaren, but their actions have caused me to decide to sell my P1, which I will do as soon as practicable.
As for the 675LT, what I think I shall do is to order an LT spider, immediately sell it and give all the profit to charity. That way at least someone deserving will benefit from McLaren's misdeeds.
Flemke - if you're serious about selling your P1 - then PM me. Will you be attending the Dinner Dance tonight? Sadly I can't make it....Of their 3 recent transgressions, I think the worst was adding another 15 P1s to the "fixed" build-run of 375, under the ludicrous pretext that they started life as prototypes and therefore somehow they don't count as P1s. WTF are they supposed to be - P1.5s?
Not that it will make any difference to McLaren, but their actions have caused me to decide to sell my P1, which I will do as soon as practicable.
As for the 675LT, what I think I shall do is to order an LT spider, immediately sell it and give all the profit to charity. That way at least someone deserving will benefit from McLaren's misdeeds.
Regards
Anjum
I've very rarely made any money on cars. Everyone else I talk to seems to be able to provide themselves a fantastic life style!
As far as I'm aware - cars cost money to buy. They cost money to run (insurance, consumables, Petrol, Tyres) - cost even more if you track them (geo's, tyre's, paint protection, windscreen protection) - and then getting the cars back to perfect (detailing etc.)....and then when you use them - people (generally tyre kickers) - do a sharp intake of breath - and say "Why did you out 10K on you Roadster in under a year?" or "Ferrari's have 2,000 miles a year - you've done 7K in 6 months" or such b
ks....
I'm not saying that you don't or can't make money - but I don't believe that people make as much as they'd like to think. It's more a case of man maths on steroids!
As far as I'm aware - cars cost money to buy. They cost money to run (insurance, consumables, Petrol, Tyres) - cost even more if you track them (geo's, tyre's, paint protection, windscreen protection) - and then getting the cars back to perfect (detailing etc.)....and then when you use them - people (generally tyre kickers) - do a sharp intake of breath - and say "Why did you out 10K on you Roadster in under a year?" or "Ferrari's have 2,000 miles a year - you've done 7K in 6 months" or such b
ks....I'm not saying that you don't or can't make money - but I don't believe that people make as much as they'd like to think. It's more a case of man maths on steroids!
TrackTwit said:
Tyres got up to 31 degrees c on another decent run out, road bone dry, a little more grip thankfully but still far too much nanny intervention for my liking. I tried what Shmee suggested but could not switch off ESC for some reason as the car would not let me. Any ideas chaps? I have checked the manual and could not find anything to help.
Edited by TrackTwit on Wednesday 30th December 14:29
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