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riosyd said:
flemke said:
You like Cerulean? Go for it!
Cerulean blue is a fantastic colour (I have two cars in this colour) the only issue or concern would be being mistaken for Shmee or me 
Edited by Jappo on Friday 18th September 20:01
riosyd said:
Cerulean blue is a fantastic colour (I have two cars in this colour) the only issue or concern would be being mistaken for Shmee or me
I was just trying to think of which cars you were on about, then I realised you have a 918 and P1 
..... Do you still prefer the P1 to the 918? (even though its less usable - e.g. wet)Id love to see a cerulean blue 675lt with the carbon bonnet louvres and roof scoop.... or the 675lt Spider .... which although not confirmed I know of several dealerships that have been taking deposits for them with rumoured total unit production being capped at 300.
Hopefully that won't pee too many coupe owners off, but an foreseeable move for mclaren (similar to the speciale/speciale aperta situation.)
Shmee said:
riosyd said:
flemke said:
You like Cerulean? Go for it!
Cerulean blue is a fantastic colour (I have two cars in this colour) the only issue or concern would be being mistaken for Shmee or me 
!!
gunner said:
hearing on very good authority that deposits are being invited on the build run of 500 675LT Spiders today...
If correct, over time that should push up the values of 675 coupes.People will drive the spider and conclude, "If the spider version is this good, just imagine how good the real thing must be!"
flemke said:
If correct, over time that should push up the values of 675 coupes.
People will drive the spider and conclude, "If the spider version is this good, just imagine how good the real thing must be!"
...and in the short term coupe owners will feel shafted yet again!People will drive the spider and conclude, "If the spider version is this good, just imagine how good the real thing must be!"
After all that has been said by McLaren about 675LT production surely it can't be true?
Russell996 said:
flemke said:
If correct, over time that should push up the values of 675 coupes.
People will drive the spider and conclude, "If the spider version is this good, just imagine how good the real thing must be!"
...and in the short term coupe owners will feel shafted yet again!People will drive the spider and conclude, "If the spider version is this good, just imagine how good the real thing must be!"
After all that has been said by McLaren about 675LT production surely it can't be true?
If they were to do a spider version that was a bit different, not quite as extreme as the 675 (for example, the recently announced "Can-Am" edition), that would be okay.
If instead they produce what is, in deed if not in name, a 675LT spider, some of us will not be amused.
Which would not, however, change the fact that the coupe would be a better car. Can you imagine a Porsche GT3RS cabriolet?
flemke said:
Having only 18 months ago misled P1 buyers about the production boundaries for that car, it would be rather galling if they were to do the same thing - in many cases to the same buyers - about the 675.
If they were to do a spider version that was a bit different, not quite as extreme as the 675 (for example, the recently announced "Can-Am" edition), that would be okay.
If instead they produce what is, in deed if not in name, a 675LT spider, some of us will not be amused.
Which would not, however, change the fact that the coupe would be a better car. Can you imagine a Porsche GT3RS cabriolet?
No But think of it like a 458speciale /speciale aperta situation - they at the end of the day are a cash poor company for the time being, they need sales and if they can make another 500 cars off the back of engineering all done then from their prospective why wouldn't they? If they were to do a spider version that was a bit different, not quite as extreme as the 675 (for example, the recently announced "Can-Am" edition), that would be okay.
If instead they produce what is, in deed if not in name, a 675LT spider, some of us will not be amused.
Which would not, however, change the fact that the coupe would be a better car. Can you imagine a Porsche GT3RS cabriolet?
I was under the impression there would only be 300 675Lt spiders.
Porsche group can sell thousands of smokey old diesels to pay for the RS ...........the others only sell high performance cars so they are doing what they need to do to stay solvent .....
Porsche is happy to sell a car for £130 K new that sells for £300 k with 100 miles on the clock , simply because they can.......the VW group can afford to lose money on it simple.... Passats , Golfs and Cayennes pay for it..
Porsche is happy to sell a car for £130 K new that sells for £300 k with 100 miles on the clock , simply because they can.......the VW group can afford to lose money on it simple.... Passats , Golfs and Cayennes pay for it..
mattf93 said:
flemke said:
Having only 18 months ago misled P1 buyers about the production boundaries for that car, it would be rather galling if they were to do the same thing - in many cases to the same buyers - about the 675.
If they were to do a spider version that was a bit different, not quite as extreme as the 675 (for example, the recently announced "Can-Am" edition), that would be okay.
If instead they produce what is, in deed if not in name, a 675LT spider, some of us will not be amused.
Which would not, however, change the fact that the coupe would be a better car. Can you imagine a Porsche GT3RS cabriolet?
No But think of it like a 458speciale /speciale aperta situation - they at the end of the day are a cash poor company for the time being, they need sales and if they can make another 500 cars off the back of engineering all done then from their prospective why wouldn't they? If they were to do a spider version that was a bit different, not quite as extreme as the 675 (for example, the recently announced "Can-Am" edition), that would be okay.
If instead they produce what is, in deed if not in name, a 675LT spider, some of us will not be amused.
Which would not, however, change the fact that the coupe would be a better car. Can you imagine a Porsche GT3RS cabriolet?
I was under the impression there would only be 300 675Lt spiders.
One of the primary reasons why many folks have bought McLarens and respect the McLaren brand is precisely because of the belief that McLaren are not like Ferrari. McLaren's customers do not expect the company to pull the same old 5hit that Ferrari will pull whenever they get the chance - you know, a limited build run of 500 F40s that magically turns into 1200, that sort of thing. I am sure that there is a word in Italian for "integrity", although I am less sure that the word is ever spoken in Maranello.
McLaren are supposed to be different from that. The 675LT is not an inexpensive piece of kit. The fact is that many people who pay that much for a car do so partly on the basis of what they expect the car to be worth in 2 or 5 years. The more supply there is, the lower the market value.
The fact is that, if McLaren do build a 675LT Spider, there will be customers who will have already signed up for the coupe but who, had they known about the spider beforehand, would have chosen that instead of the coupe.
If McLaren had said, at the time that the 675LT was announced or being marketed, that they would be doing a spider version in due course, or that they were considering doing a spider version in future, that would be fine. Caveat emptor. But if they announce a spider version now, after everyone has put in their orders and paid a substantial deposit, but before 90% of customers have even been delivered their cars, it would be simple bad faith.
Again, we expect that short of rubbish from some car makers. McLaren present themselves as being different, but, if they were to do something like this on the heels of having done the same with the P1, they would show that they are no different from any of the others.
When Porsche announce a limited build run, they keep their word - even when the genuine demand overwhelms the supply.
TP321 said:
flemke said:
Having only 18 months ago misled P1 buyers about the production boundaries for that car...
What do you mean?So, as soon as had finished taking orders and deposits for the P1, but long before most cars had been delivered, they announced the GTR version, of which they built IRO 40, on top of the 375. Furthermore, the GTR was, by some measures, clearly an improved version of the original P1.
Not only that, but more recently they have resurrected 5 (I think it is) of their prototype or press chassis, have totally refurbished those cars, and have sold them to customers, which action has enlarged even the build run of "normal" P1s from 375 to 380.
People who have been loyal customers of McLaren's for 15 or in some cases 20 years, and who in that time have paid a great deal of money to the company, including more recently for P1s and 675s, do not really appreciate this sort of thing.
flemke said:
Having only 18 months ago misled P1 buyers about the production boundaries for that car, it would be rather galling if they were to do the same thing - in many cases to the same buyers - about the 675.
If they were to do a spider version that was a bit different, not quite as extreme as the 675 (for example, the recently announced "Can-Am" edition), that would be okay.
If instead they produce what is, in deed if not in name, a 675LT spider, some of us will not be amused.
Which would not, however, change the fact that the coupe would be a better car. Can you imagine a Porsche GT3RS cabriolet?
I'm not sure your point with a GT3RS is valid in this instance. The carbon tub of the Mac provides the ideal base for a spider version which loses none of the rigidty associated with a normal chassis when you put a cloth top on?If they were to do a spider version that was a bit different, not quite as extreme as the 675 (for example, the recently announced "Can-Am" edition), that would be okay.
If instead they produce what is, in deed if not in name, a 675LT spider, some of us will not be amused.
Which would not, however, change the fact that the coupe would be a better car. Can you imagine a Porsche GT3RS cabriolet?
Also, does the P1 GTR really go against the ethos of the original P1 launch? First its a track only car (unless you pay aa lot of money for an external company to convert it for road use) Second it is at a very different launch price point & those early adopters of the P1 have already made significant gains on their purchase which I don't believe have been detrimentally affected by the GTR version. Perhaps I have the wrong perception looking from the outside in!
Russell996 said:
flemke said:
If correct, over time that should push up the values of 675 coupes.
People will drive the spider and conclude, "If the spider version is this good, just imagine how good the real thing must be!"
...and in the short term coupe owners will feel shafted yet again!People will drive the spider and conclude, "If the spider version is this good, just imagine how good the real thing must be!"
After all that has been said by McLaren about 675LT production surely it can't be true?
500 675 spiders would be a lot of cars though, that number seems to have been constantly creeping up since I had heard it was possible/likely to be launched back in the summer. 1000 "LT" cars out of the P11 run ends up being a significant % of the entire production rather than a last of the line limited run which a good few people had been led to believe. And given Mclaren's inability to match supply/demand on the 12c/650, that limited run status had most certainly figured in some people's thoughts. Poor show really especially as I am led to believe that Mclaren has also agreed to sell the 10 or so XP 675 cars like for the XP P1s (10-15XP P1s i had been told).
Edited by isaldiri on Monday 12th October 22:22
isaldiri said:
To be fair to Mclaren, afaik, at least in northern Europe and UK, all or almost all 675 depositors have been offered the chance to switch to the the spider. Woking it seems belatedly had realised they at minimum had to do offer that and had instructed dealers to make enquiries about the switch.
Not meEdited by isaldiri on Monday 12th October 22:22
Anjum said:
Congratulations Shmee - on both of your recent acquisitions!
Have fun - and enjoy!
Love to here your views in a few days - V12 v V8 - Ferrari v McLaren - Practical v's who cares!
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Thanks!Have fun - and enjoy!
Love to here your views in a few days - V12 v V8 - Ferrari v McLaren - Practical v's who cares!
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I'm not going to lie but I have absolutely adored my first 3 days with the Italian one...! Bring on the British corner in 36 hours time.
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