Discussion
gregf40 said:
Looks like someone has chopped the front off!
The front does look very strange from that shot.I am confused my McLaren big time, its like this car has got to be good but not too good, as to stop people buying the more expensive cars.
I always though this model was going to be smaller to distinguish it
Costing around £140k http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/paris/mclaren-570s-r...
subirg said:
So what's the point of the 650s now?
650S is so much more of a car. Its a super series not sports series car competing with Porsche 911, Aston Martin Vantage, Audi R8 etc which is a whole new ball game.Have to say I was concerned this car might be a real game changer and effect the 650S because of the £150k price tag but TBH I'm a little disappointed from some of the pictures and from what I see currently I think its only enhanced the 650S position within the range with this at £150 and 675LT at £300k
Need to see and drive the car physically to give a definitive opinion but some of the lines look a bit radical and not cohesive, like someone has tried to change the car design world in 1 creation.
Probably not right to compare it with supercars and to be fair McLaren are saying its a sportscar and its priced accordingly.
Darn site prettier than a 911 or Audi R8
Sure the 570 isn't going to be perfect but neither is the 650. I certainly don't see where the extra £100k required for a 650 over this can be justified in a basic road car. The 570 is basically a bargain by comparison. 95% of the performance for nearly half the cash. Works for me especially as it looks very similar and better in some angles (eg rear view).
BruceC said:
Price needs to reflect dollar equivalent but it wont.
Needs to cost £145k fully optioned or it will launch and residuals will hit the floor in 6 months
Bruce i bet it doesn't. I bet you need £160k plus and the Spyder will cost £180k. They seem to have learnt nothing from the 12C disaster. Also cant see how this car is anything different to the 650S?? Still has the stupid doors that make you look a total tool every time you get in and out of the car, only 3 dealers in the UK, everything is bespoke so when things do go wrong it will cost an arm and a leg unlike the R8 and 911 where a lot of the components are from lesser models. Apart from enabling Mclaren to withdraw from the 458 market segment were it got a bashing from Ferrari, i cant see the purpose of this car.Needs to cost £145k fully optioned or it will launch and residuals will hit the floor in 6 months
I remember in 2010-2011 when there was talk of the 12C costing £150k. Had it stayed at that price, it would have been a different story.
TP321 said:
BruceC said:
Price needs to reflect dollar equivalent but it wont.
Needs to cost £145k fully optioned or it will launch and residuals will hit the floor in 6 months
Bruce i bet it doesn't. I bet you need £160k plus and the Spyder will cost £180k. They seem to have learnt nothing from the 12C disaster. Also cant see how this car is anything different to the 650S?? Still has the stupid doors that make you look a total tool every time you get in and out of the car, only 3 dealers in the UK, everything is bespoke so when things do go wrong it will cost an arm and a leg unlike the R8 and 911 where a lot of the components are from lesser models. Apart from enabling Mclaren to withdraw from the 458 market segment were it got a bashing from Ferrari, i cant see the purpose of this car.Needs to cost £145k fully optioned or it will launch and residuals will hit the floor in 6 months
I remember in 2010-2011 when there was talk of the 12C costing £150k. Had it stayed at that price, it would have been a different story.
The suspension does not use the cross linked hydraulic systems on the 650s and P1, it uses a more passive system and anti-role bars which is a lot cheaper to produce.
The car is actually bigger than the 650's and has more interior space.
And last but not least this car is designed to compete with the R8 and Porsche Turbo which can only be a good thing as the buyer now has more choice in that segment.
Your opinons are subjective mate re the doors; do you have the same thoughts about the LaFerrari doors? As for pulling out of the 458 market segment what the hell do you think the 650s and 675LT are competing against.
At the end of the day McLaren’s massive investment in road cars is paying off. The firm has been in profit only three years after launching the 12c. Add the fact that it is very hard to find a 650s on the used market compared to its immediate competitors would seem to indicate that customers are keen to keep hold of their cars and residues will stay high. This sounds like they have got things right to me...
Streetrod said:
Lets get a couple of facts straight here, first the tub is not the same, it has lower sills to make it easier to get in and out of, plus the way the doors open has been altered to also help ingress.
The suspension does not use the cross linked hydraulic systems on the 650s and P1, it uses a more passive system and anti-role bars which is a lot cheaper to produce.
The car is actually bigger than the 650's and has more interior space.
And last but not least this car is designed to compete with the R8 and Porsche Turbo which can only be a good thing as the buyer now has more choice in that segment.
Your opinons are subjective mate re the doors; do you have the same thoughts about the LaFerrari doors? As for pulling out of the 458 market segment what the hell do you think the 650s and 675LT are competing against.
At the end of the day McLaren’s massive investment in road cars is paying off. The firm has been in profit only three years after launching the 12c. Add the fact that it is very hard to find a 650s on the used market compared to its immediate competitors would seem to indicate that customers are keen to keep hold of their cars and residues will stay high. This sounds like they have got things right to me...
Couldn't agree more on 650S. And if the 570S spider is £180k for a half sensible spec that will make a used 650S more sought after againThe suspension does not use the cross linked hydraulic systems on the 650s and P1, it uses a more passive system and anti-role bars which is a lot cheaper to produce.
The car is actually bigger than the 650's and has more interior space.
And last but not least this car is designed to compete with the R8 and Porsche Turbo which can only be a good thing as the buyer now has more choice in that segment.
Your opinons are subjective mate re the doors; do you have the same thoughts about the LaFerrari doors? As for pulling out of the 458 market segment what the hell do you think the 650s and 675LT are competing against.
At the end of the day McLaren’s massive investment in road cars is paying off. The firm has been in profit only three years after launching the 12c. Add the fact that it is very hard to find a 650s on the used market compared to its immediate competitors would seem to indicate that customers are keen to keep hold of their cars and residues will stay high. This sounds like they have got things right to me...
Although I am not impressed with the first images of the 570S, I will reserve judgement when I actually see the car in the metal.
However, something for sure, McLaren has to stop using their speed mark everywhere. It is over stated. It has ruined the front end of the 650 and now the rear end of the 570 !!!!
However, something for sure, McLaren has to stop using their speed mark everywhere. It is over stated. It has ruined the front end of the 650 and now the rear end of the 570 !!!!
subirg said:
Sure the 570 isn't going to be perfect but neither is the 650. I certainly don't see where the extra £100k required for a 650 over this can be justified in a basic road car. The 570 is basically a bargain by comparison. 95% of the performance for nearly half the cash. Works for me especially as it looks very similar and better in some angles (eg rear view).
Comparing coupe prices, who is going to buy a brand new 570S now for £150k + extras, so lets say £165k, when you can get a low mileage 650S for £175k !!! Let alone a 12C for £120k....... I buy in that price segment and I cannot work it out..... Just to be told "oh, you have gone for the small one' :-)^^^ good point. One of the fundamental problems is that to most people, 12C, 650 and 570 will all appear to be closely related. Too closely related. Ferrari have shown how to do cheaper cars via the California without eating market share from the pricier 458. There is no way anyone is going to question the fact that those two cars are different propositions. McLaren have well and truly dropped the ball on this one to the determiner of the 650.
Streetrod said:
Lets get a couple of facts straight here, first the tub is not the same, it has lower sills to make it easier to get in and out of, plus the way the doors open has been altered to also help ingress.
The suspension does not use the cross linked hydraulic systems on the 650s and P1, it uses a more passive system and anti-role bars which is a lot cheaper to produce.
The car is actually bigger than the 650's and has more interior space.
And last but not least this car is designed to compete with the R8 and Porsche Turbo which can only be a good thing as the buyer now has more choice in that segment.
Your opinons are subjective mate re the doors; do you have the same thoughts about the LaFerrari doors? As for pulling out of the 458 market segment what the hell do you think the 650s and 675LT are competing against.
At the end of the day McLaren’s massive investment in road cars is paying off. The firm has been in profit only three years after launching the 12c. Add the fact that it is very hard to find a 650s on the used market compared to its immediate competitors would seem to indicate that customers are keen to keep hold of their cars and residues will stay high. This sounds like they have got things right to me...
When did you last see a LaFerrari being used as a daily driver?? Stupid doorsThe suspension does not use the cross linked hydraulic systems on the 650s and P1, it uses a more passive system and anti-role bars which is a lot cheaper to produce.
The car is actually bigger than the 650's and has more interior space.
And last but not least this car is designed to compete with the R8 and Porsche Turbo which can only be a good thing as the buyer now has more choice in that segment.
Your opinons are subjective mate re the doors; do you have the same thoughts about the LaFerrari doors? As for pulling out of the 458 market segment what the hell do you think the 650s and 675LT are competing against.
At the end of the day McLaren’s massive investment in road cars is paying off. The firm has been in profit only three years after launching the 12c. Add the fact that it is very hard to find a 650s on the used market compared to its immediate competitors would seem to indicate that customers are keen to keep hold of their cars and residues will stay high. This sounds like they have got things right to me...
The 650s will not be replaced - it has at best another 2 years but I can't see anyone buying one now that this 570 is available. The replacement will be Aventador money. Mclaren can't compete against the 458 with the 12c or 650s
If this is £160k with options, expect massive discounts in 6 months. History repeats itself, you need to have been around long enough to know it...mate.
TP321 said:
When did you last see a LaFerrari being used as a daily driver?? Stupid doors
The 650s will not be replaced - it has at best another 2 years but I can't see anyone buying one now that this 570 is available. The replacement will be Aventador money. Mclaren can't compete against the 458 with the 12c or 650s
If this is £160k with options, expect massive discounts in 6 months. History repeats itself, you need to have been around long enough to know it...mate.
" the 650s chews up and spits out a 458" Steve SutcliffeThe 650s will not be replaced - it has at best another 2 years but I can't see anyone buying one now that this 570 is available. The replacement will be Aventador money. Mclaren can't compete against the 458 with the 12c or 650s
If this is £160k with options, expect massive discounts in 6 months. History repeats itself, you need to have been around long enough to know it...mate.
You're right it doesn't compete it murders the 458.
Personally and for selfish reasons I hope they don't sell too many more 650S as the rarer the better IMHO.
Will really become a sought after car in years to come and not two a penny like 458's. Just look in the classifieds and there are hundreds of unsold 458's for months now. 650S are low in volumes and selling within weeks in most cases
I'm not sure what to make of the 570. I'm a huge fan of the 12C and I was expecting something a little different from the 'entry level' car. I'd have been happier see Ron drop the doors, keep the power at 500bhp and nail the price at around £120k. At £145k plus options potential buyers could take their pick of preowned 12C spiders and pocket some hard earned with the coupes. I was expecting a smaller, more town friendly car too, something along the lines of the 911, Evora, Vantage size, yet apparently the 570 is bigger than the 650. Despite all that I like the styling a lot.
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