Dare I ask about the D word.......depreciation......

[breadvan]

propaganda said:

What is a sensible spec for a 540c? or even a 570s? It is remarkably easy to spend near to £20k on options especially if you go carbon crazy. However given that this thread has concentrated on used values and depreciation what is actually sensible and will ensure you get at least some of it back.

Difficult to answer without the market being tested yet but I don't think you need to go far beyond the Packs and a wheel upgrade.

C/f exterior pack 1 and c/f interior pack I expect will be really sort after (c/f exterior pack 2 is just showing off;) )
If they really are used as daily drivers then the Lux and Security packs will be expected.

I'm not sure how colour sensitive they will be, muted or crazy, just don't know?

Also, remember it's easy to spend £20,000 optioning a Boxster or 3 series these days so I don't think that sort of outlay will be surprising or unusual.

I suspect McLaren already has a mean average option spend, I wonder how much they are expecting?

[propaganda]

breadvan said:

I suspect McLaren already has a mean average option spend, I wonder how much they are expecting?

Hopefully there will be none of that minimum option spend before the dealer can actually place the order. A favourite Ferrari dodge...

[SlartiF430]

If any of you guys are looking to get into a 650, 570 or something else and are offloading your 12c then I might be interested

[TISPKJ]

SlartiF430 said:

If any of you guys are looking to get into a 650, 570 or something else and are offloading your 12c then I might be interested

Good man

[kryten22uk]

breadvan said:

C/f exterior pack 1 and c/f interior pack I expect will be really sort after (c/f exterior pack 2 is just showing off;) )
If they really are used as daily drivers then the Lux and Security packs will be expected.

I doubt the CF packs will be popular on the 540C. It goes against the grain of the purpose of the 540C being the "value" McLaren. Not sure the CF pack 2 is even an option for the C.

I can see 540C cars being comparatively basic specs, with 570S going more nuts.

[AMDBSNick]

TP321 said:

Evidence is the 3.5 year old 12C which cost £185k new and it now offered at £104k with 24k miles. No other exclusive supercar drops this much.

Aston Martin Vanquish!!!

Anyway this now gets this thread under "my stuff"

I really shouldn't be lurking here

[HoagieLomax]

7k per year is a bit punchy in a car like this,you will lose money yes but buy right first time and it might not be too bad.
The 12C has nicer headlights as well imo than the later versions.

A carbon tub supercar with 600hp for 125k is a steal in my eyes!

[mikey k]

AMDBSNick said:

TP321 said:

Evidence is the 3.5 year old 12C which cost £185k new and it now offered at £104k with 24k miles. No other exclusive supercar drops this much.

Aston Martin Vanquish!!!

Anyway this now gets this thread under "my stuff"

I really shouldn't be lurking here

its inevitable Nick don't fight it!

[bentley01]

mikey k said:

AMDBSNick said:

TP321 said:

Evidence is the 3.5 year old 12C which cost £185k new and it now offered at £104k with 24k miles. No other exclusive supercar drops this much.

Aston Martin Vanquish!!!

Anyway this now gets this thread under "my stuff"

I really shouldn't be lurking here

its inevitable Nick don't fight it!

Mikey stop encouraging Nick to the dark side

[mikey k]

He doesn't need too much encouragement

[AMDBSNick]

mikey k said:

He doesn't need too much encouragement

[Chris Stott]

Spotted this on another site this morning...

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/FL0116-230036/0/2...

Have to say I'm not familiar with 12C limited editions, but the estimate does seem a bit on the ambitious side to me

[Slickhillsy]

Chris Stott said:

Spotted this on another site this morning...

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/FL0116-230036/0/2...

Have to say I'm not familiar with 12C limited editions, but the estimate does seem a bit on the ambitious side to me

2 words...

Demon Tweaks!

[SlartiF430]

TISPKJ said:

I think I am correct in saying list price on both cars was very similar.
on that basis without looking at every advert, 12c starts at 130, 458 140 so the 458 would appear to be the slightly better car in holding its value.

My point before was dont use the cheapest car ever advertised as a guide, especially a 25k mile one.
Your unlikely to see a 25k mile 458 to compare

Because 458 odometers are super easy to clock and it isn't possible on a Mac :-)

[TP321]

SlartiF430 said:

Because 458 odometers are super easy to clock and it isn't possible on a Mac :-)

List price was virtually the same, but the 458 has ceramic brakes as standard - they are £10k on the 12c. Also the 458 has a 4 year warranty instead of the 3 year one for the 12c. Is the 458 also covered by free 7 years servicing?

[mikey k]

TP321 said:

SlartiF430 said:

Because 458 odometers are super easy to clock and it isn't possible on a Mac :-)

List price was virtually the same, but the 458 has ceramic brakes as standard - they are £10k on the 12c. Also the 458 has a 4 year warranty instead of the 3 year one for the 12c. Is the 458 also covered by free 7 years servicing?

Not all 458's have the 7 year package, ironically those of a similar age as the 12C
The 12C is a higher tech car, for me that counters the Ferrari kudos

[SlartiF430]

flemke said:

A car (and every other) manufacturer has got to make enough money to keep going. The hardest period is normally in the first few years. We customers, in our turn, need to be sufficiently tolerant of what the new manufacturer does to enable it to get on its feet and sustain itself. That is the price that we pay for things that are new and different. Otherwise we'll be stuck with the same-old same-old, offered by established manufacturers that will take us for granted and offer us rubbish.

In my world (software) early adopters make or break the entire business. They help us validate our products, give us vital feedback and opinion, they are prepared to stick their necks out for us and even pay us for the privilege. They are one of the most important resources we have. I'm no car maker but surely this is the case for all products?

[flemke]

SlartiF430 said:

flemke said:

A car (and every other) manufacturer has got to make enough money to keep going. The hardest period is normally in the first few years. We customers, in our turn, need to be sufficiently tolerant of what the new manufacturer does to enable it to get on its feet and sustain itself. That is the price that we pay for things that are new and different. Otherwise we'll be stuck with the same-old same-old, offered by established manufacturers that will take us for granted and offer us rubbish.

In my world (software) early adopters make or break the entire business. They help us validate our products, give us vital feedback and opinion, they are prepared to stick their necks out for us and even pay us for the privilege. They are one of the most important resources we have. I'm no car maker but surely this is the case for all products?

Perhaps the two markets have much in common, perhaps not.

I wonder if a randomly-selected group of a dozen PHers could be used by a car-maker to give feedback on a new car. It's possible that what they would have to say would be as meaningful and relevant as the current process, which appears to be charging early adopters tens of millions of pounds (in toto) to carry the load of validation and feedback.
Unless, of course, the car-makers are only seeking the cash flow that they get from the early adopters, whilst knowing in advance what needs to be improved on the early adopters' cars.

[ChrisW.]

It's a very fine balance.

I bought a BMW i3 --- one of the first 20 moths ago.

Yes there have been teething problems but I really believe in the concept, and as such because BMW have been happy to listen to and compensate the few issues that I have reported (even if correction requires a software re-write) --- I am delighted with the car.

Almost 10,000 miles on, to me this is precisely where the 12c also is. Just lovely.

[flemke]

ChrisW. said:

I bought a BMW i3 --- one of the first 20 moths ago.

Surprising to hear that the i3 has wool upholstery.