Shmee 675 LT - Monza, disappointing - time to step up!
Discussion
br d said:
I take my cars to Europe at least twice a year. Does that mean I'm allowed an opinion?
Last time I was on an unrestricted Autobahn I did 150mph, I felt incredibly heroic.
Then I was passed by an indiscriminate black Mercedes as if I was standing still.
I have driven over 200mph, does that prove I have because I've said it, no, I was just pointing out that at no stage in that video is their any proof that Shmee was driving the car.Last time I was on an unrestricted Autobahn I did 150mph, I felt incredibly heroic.
Then I was passed by an indiscriminate black Mercedes as if I was standing still.
greenbandit641 said:
br d said:
I take my cars to Europe at least twice a year. Does that mean I'm allowed an opinion?
Last time I was on an unrestricted Autobahn I did 150mph, I felt incredibly heroic.
Then I was passed by an indiscriminate black Mercedes as if I was standing still.
I have driven over 200mph, does that prove I have because I've said it, no, I was just pointing out that at no stage in that video is their any proof that Shmee was driving the car.Last time I was on an unrestricted Autobahn I did 150mph, I felt incredibly heroic.
Then I was passed by an indiscriminate black Mercedes as if I was standing still.
(Lovely car you have there though )
Here, I'll leave a load of these in case anyone becomes mortally offended.
br d said:
greenbandit641 said:
br d said:
I take my cars to Europe at least twice a year. Does that mean I'm allowed an opinion?
Last time I was on an unrestricted Autobahn I did 150mph, I felt incredibly heroic.
Then I was passed by an indiscriminate black Mercedes as if I was standing still.
I have driven over 200mph, does that prove I have because I've said it, no, I was just pointing out that at no stage in that video is their any proof that Shmee was driving the car.Last time I was on an unrestricted Autobahn I did 150mph, I felt incredibly heroic.
Then I was passed by an indiscriminate black Mercedes as if I was standing still.
(Lovely car you have there though )
Here, I'll leave a load of these in case anyone becomes mortally offended.
Do I win ?
So this has not come as a surprise. But having listened to Tim’s comments and his justification I do have to ask, If you do not feel confident to drive the car as intended why not invest a little time and money and get yourself trained? We have some of the best instructors in the world based here in the UK. Too me it just seems daft to invest in such great cars and then have a huge proportion of the cars ability go untapped because you don’t have the skills to exploit them.
Yes race training will make you faster on the track but it will also make you a much better road driver where you spend most of your time. You will also find you have a lot more fun and gain added appreciation of the cars you have
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1alp9qaH9s
Yes race training will make you faster on the track but it will also make you a much better road driver where you spend most of your time. You will also find you have a lot more fun and gain added appreciation of the cars you have
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1alp9qaH9s
Streetrod said:
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
Jeeesssussss..... I've never heard such drivel. A carbon tub'd convertible Uber (mini p1) super car is now classed a hairdressers car... WTF??? All these 675LT owners kicking in up a stink over the release of a convertible need a serious reality check.
Ok... let's take your crazy ethos argument. What is the ethos of the 675 and why chopping the roof off (and remaining near as damned it rock solid) makes this a lesser car?
FYI Enzo Ferrari, a man with racing in his soul insisted all his cars where possible should have a convertible option.
Streetrod said:
So this has not come as a surprise. But having listened to Tim’s comments and his justification I do have to ask, If you do not feel confident to drive the car as intended why not invest a little time and money and get yourself trained? We have some of the best instructors in the world based here in the UK. Too me it just seems daft to invest in such great cars and then have a huge proportion of the cars ability go untapped because you don’t have the skills to exploit them.
Yes race training will make you faster on the track but it will also make you a much better road driver where you spend most of your time. You will also find you have a lot more fun and gain added appreciation of the cars you have
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1alp9qaH9s
I don't believe he said he wasn't confident in driving the car. He will do most of his miles on the road like most owners and the difference of the extra 40kg will be noticed by very few. Yes race training will make you faster on the track but it will also make you a much better road driver where you spend most of your time. You will also find you have a lot more fun and gain added appreciation of the cars you have
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1alp9qaH9s
Slickhillsy said:
Streetrod said:
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
Jeeesssussss..... I've never heard such drivel. A carbon tub'd convertible Uber (mini p1) super car is now classed a hairdressers car... WTF??? All these 675LT owners kicking in up a stink over the release of a convertible need a serious reality check.
Ok... let's take your crazy ethos argument. What is the ethos of the 675 and why chopping the roof off (and remaining near as damned it rock solid) makes this a lesser car?
FYI Enzo Ferrari, a man with racing in his soul insisted all his cars where possible should have a convertible option.
Not only does the spiders loose the purity of the coupes looks in my eyes but is also less aerodynamic and has less focus as a pure performance car. Plus you will not be able to fit the roll cage, harnesses or the roof scope so it’s going to appeal a lot less to those who track their cars. Oh and by the way McLaren owners tend to track their cars more than any other supercar make. That is why I call this car the hairdresser’s addition. I am expecting McLaren MSO to provide a chest wig on the options list
By the way thanks for the Ferrari history lesson, what the hell does it have to do with this conversation?
Streetrod said:
When the 675LT was announced Mclaren stated not only that it was going to be a limited addition of only 500 cars but that it would only ever be available as a “Coupe”. Plus they also stated that it was their aim to take as much weight out of the car as possible. Those that bought these cars took the above as a statement of fact. If you had just spent over £300,000 on a car that you were told would never exist in any other form and only 500 would exist would you not have a right to feel pissed off?
Not only does the spiders loose the purity of the coupes looks in my eyes but is also less aerodynamic and has less focus as a pure performance car. Plus you will not be able to fit the roll cage, harnesses or the roof scope so it’s going to appeal a lot less to those who track their cars. Oh and by the way McLaren owners tend to track their cars more than any other supercar make. That is why I call this car the hairdresser’s addition. I am expecting McLaren MSO to provide a chest wig on the options list
By the way thanks for the Ferrari history lesson, what the hell does it have to do with this conversation?
Doesn't matter. The demand is there so they will supply them.Not only does the spiders loose the purity of the coupes looks in my eyes but is also less aerodynamic and has less focus as a pure performance car. Plus you will not be able to fit the roll cage, harnesses or the roof scope so it’s going to appeal a lot less to those who track their cars. Oh and by the way McLaren owners tend to track their cars more than any other supercar make. That is why I call this car the hairdresser’s addition. I am expecting McLaren MSO to provide a chest wig on the options list
By the way thanks for the Ferrari history lesson, what the hell does it have to do with this conversation?
Slickhillsy said:
Jeeesssussss..... I've never heard such drivel. A carbon tub'd convertible Uber (mini p1) super car is now classed a hairdressers car... WTF???
All these 675LT owners kicking in up a stink over the release of a convertible need a serious reality check.
Ok... let's take your crazy ethos argument. What is the ethos of the 675 and why chopping the roof off (and remaining near as damned it rock solid) makes this a lesser car?
FYI Enzo Ferrari, a man with racing in his soul insisted all his cars where possible should have a convertible option.
+1All these 675LT owners kicking in up a stink over the release of a convertible need a serious reality check.
Ok... let's take your crazy ethos argument. What is the ethos of the 675 and why chopping the roof off (and remaining near as damned it rock solid) makes this a lesser car?
FYI Enzo Ferrari, a man with racing in his soul insisted all his cars where possible should have a convertible option.
Streetrod said:
Not only does the spiders loose the purity of the coupes looks in my eyes but is also less aerodynamic and has less focus as a pure performance car. Plus you will not be able to fit the roll cage, harnesses or the roof scope so it’s going to appeal a lot less to those who track their cars.
Yep... lol... I stand corrected!!!https://youtu.be/6dFzgsq49R8
https://youtu.be/awArTC8iQ3Q
Seriously, when they chop the top off this (assuming youre lucky enough to drive one) you won't be short changed.
Streetrod said:
When the 675LT was announced Mclaren stated not only that it was going to be a limited addition of only 500 cars but that it would only ever be available as a “Coupe”. Plus they also stated that it was their aim to take as much weight out of the car as possible. Those that bought these cars took the above as a statement of fact. If you had just spent over £300,000 on a car that you were told would never exist in any other form and only 500 would exist would you not have a right to feel pissed off?
Not only does the spiders loose the purity of the coupes looks in my eyes but is also less aerodynamic and has less focus as a pure performance car. Plus you will not be able to fit the roll cage, harnesses or the roof scope so it’s going to appeal a lot less to those who track their cars. Oh and by the way McLaren owners tend to track their cars more than any other supercar make. That is why I call this car the hairdresser’s addition. I am expecting McLaren MSO to provide a chest wig on the options list
By the way thanks for the Ferrari history lesson, what the hell does it have to do with this conversation?
This has been debated at length on another thread. And I have to say I agree with you totally.Not only does the spiders loose the purity of the coupes looks in my eyes but is also less aerodynamic and has less focus as a pure performance car. Plus you will not be able to fit the roll cage, harnesses or the roof scope so it’s going to appeal a lot less to those who track their cars. Oh and by the way McLaren owners tend to track their cars more than any other supercar make. That is why I call this car the hairdresser’s addition. I am expecting McLaren MSO to provide a chest wig on the options list
By the way thanks for the Ferrari history lesson, what the hell does it have to do with this conversation?
As a potential buyer for such car, I am now glad I did not take the option to buy the coupe. And not because of residuals.
The coupe is the only version they should have released. Because that was the philosophy of that track oriented car.
The spider is just to make a 'little' more cash from that class of owners who like to pose and brag... The ones that understand cars will have the coupe only.
A shame really.
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
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Jeeesssussss..... I've never heard such drivel. A carbon tub'd convertible Uber (mini p1) super car is now classed a hairdressers car... WTF???
All these 675LT owners kicking in up a stink over the release of a convertible need a serious reality check.
Ok... let's take your crazy ethos argument. What is the ethos of the 675 and why chopping the roof off (and remaining near as damned it rock solid) makes this a lesser car?
Agree,what spec is your lt streetrod.Why stop at standard spec,why not remove interior,seat,aircon,music etc etc or get a race car version.
Have had feedback on spider drive,its epic,they are looking into solving the harness issue
Edited by Yellow491 on Sunday 6th December 09:48
Edited by Yellow491 on Sunday 6th December 09:50
McLaren make 500 LT coupes, they are universally loved by the press, public and owners. They sell for overs. Original purchasers who know how rigid the tub is ask for spiders, McLaren eventually oblige. Whats the problem? Still only 1,00 cars worldwide, still selling over list, still made money, still awesome. I don't agree with the argument that the owners have been sold short or the coupe is a better track car. All F1 cars are essentially convertibles as are most track focused Lotus's, Caterham's, Atoms, Radicals etc, no LT coupe owner is out of pocket or had a bad experience, how can they be in anyway disgruntled?
Edited by Bispal on Tuesday 31st May 13:46
Slickhillsy said:
Streetrod said:
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
Jeeesssussss..... I've never heard such drivel. A carbon tub'd convertible Uber (mini p1) super car is now classed a hairdressers car... WTF??? All these 675LT owners kicking in up a stink over the release of a convertible need a serious reality check.
Ok... let's take your crazy ethos argument. What is the ethos of the 675 and why chopping the roof off (and remaining near as damned it rock solid) makes this a lesser car?
FYI Enzo Ferrari, a man with racing in his soul insisted all his cars where possible should have a convertible option.
The Surveyor said:
Slickhillsy said:
Streetrod said:
On a personal note I think the 675LT Spider goes completely against the ethos of what the LT were supposed to be having bought into McLaren's initial story at the coupes launch. I totally got what were trying to do. The 675LT Spider to me is the hairdresser’s version. Tim no offence meant. If I was a McLaren head honcho I would never have signed it off and coupe owners have every right to feel they have been lied too
Jeeesssussss..... I've never heard such drivel. A carbon tub'd convertible Uber (mini p1) super car is now classed a hairdressers car... WTF??? All these 675LT owners kicking in up a stink over the release of a convertible need a serious reality check.
Ok... let's take your crazy ethos argument. What is the ethos of the 675 and why chopping the roof off (and remaining near as damned it rock solid) makes this a lesser car?
FYI Enzo Ferrari, a man with racing in his soul insisted all his cars where possible should have a convertible option.
Ferrari / Porsche must have missed the 'what is pure - not a spider' memo then...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F50 - only in spider format / removable roof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Carrera_GT - only in spider format / removable roof
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/laferra... / spider option
Edited by Slickhillsy on Tuesday 31st May 16:22
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