Shmee 675 LT - Monza, disappointing - time to step up!

[SELON]

...And this thread probably belongs in the media/TV programming/ YouTube section if there is one on PH.
I'm not sure you can really compare the price a media production business pays (if any, as in the case of Chris Harris for a 650S) for access to cars to that of a retail purchaser.

[sirtyro]

Shmee said:

I am going to upset the balance by saying nobody will be able to work out what I paid or how it equates to anything because it was a triple car transaction.

Shmee, having watched all the videos on your LT, you don't really ever compare it to the 650s. I just wondered, performance wise, if it felt faster or as Chris Harris called it, a baby P1? On the track I would imagine a noticeable difference, I just wanted to know if you buy a 650s would you be disappointed you couldn't get an LT?

[AyBee]

TP321 said:

Shmee said:

I am going to upset the balance by saying nobody will be able to work out what I paid or how it equates to anything because it was a triple car transaction.

That sounds a bit like creative accounting...

Ordered 675LT, bought 650S, sold 12C...think Shmee just means that because 1 amount changed hands, it's not going to be easy to attribute an amount to the individual cars.

[Russell996]

stain said:

Better discounts are on offer for new stock cars

Wow! This must make getting a customer to spec a car very difficult unless they are also offered at nearly similar discounts?
(Assuming there are usually new stock cars in the system)

Edited by Russell996 on Saturday 24th October 13:38

[TISPKJ]

It's not as straightforward as X% off list.
Many on here were recently offered a deal on a new 650 at whet the dealer called cost, what that really meant was a new car at list with loads of options thrown in.
Cost to me means about £125k sadly not the case !

[aztec]

I think the new stock car situation will dry up to a degree once 570s production gets into full swing, 650s deals at the moment I suspect are as good as they are going to get, of course there is always the chance I'll have to eat my on words

[orbtar]

TP321 said:

RamboLambo said:

I can assure you No one will be getting big discounts on used 650S at sub £200k. There is simply no margin in it for the dealer at these levels but they are great buys versus list price having taken a huge depreciation by the 1st owner

I am sorry to have to break the news to you LamboRambo, but it seems that people have been (one of them is Shmee) getting them for under £200k - even 10 months ago!

Shmee has stated that he lost "nothing like £30k" on his recently sold Kermit Green 650s Spider, which he must have netted around £170k after dealer commission and and a bit of discount. So he must have paid £195k or less for it, even though according to Russell it was advertised for £224k.

And this was 10 months ago...

Just before Christmas last year, McLaren Manchester sent out an e-mail promotion on this Kermit Green 650, they invited you to submit what you wanted to pay for their demo car, I guess Tim probably made an offer around £180-185'ish and his offer was accepted.
I will see if I still have the e-mail and check my facts but that's how I remember it.

Edited by TP321 on Friday 23 October 23:56

[RamboLambo]

orbtar said:

If you are a cash purchaser December can be a great time to purchase as major PLC's try to close their financial year down and reduce stock levels for winter. I'm sure he would of got the car circa sub £200k as an ex demo as I drove the car and bought a brand new one at the time instead

[johnwilliams77]

RamboLambo said:

If you are a cash purchaser December can be a great time to purchase as major PLC's try to close their financial year down and reduce stock levels for winter. I'm sure he would of got the car circa sub £200k as an ex demo as I drove the car and bought a brand new one at the time instead

Why does it matter if it's cash? They still get their £

[RamboLambo]

johnwilliams77 said:

Why does it matter if it's cash? They still get their £

ie no p/x. they don't want to necessarily take back £100k stock car if they can reduce inventory by £250k with outright purchase ( or finance )but cash is always king.

[mattf93]

RamboLambo said:

but cash is always king.

Seriously not these days - most dealers prefer finance as they usually make more money out of it!
Also particularly with Ferrari its a way of getting their more special cars if you regularly use finance, it's an 'assessment point' (or so I'm told.)

[Camlet]

mattf93 said:

RamboLambo said:

but cash is always king.

Seriously not these days - most dealers prefer finance as they usually make more money out of it!
Also particularly with Ferrari its a way of getting their more special cars if you regularly use finance, it's an 'assessment point' (or so I'm told.)

There's no question a dealer prefers you to finance, but I do not believe it is a criterion in being selected for a new Ferrari LE model. Number of F cars currently owned, frequency of purchase and the type of models owned affect status. A classic LE within your currently owned stable(for example a 288 GTO, F50, Enzo) definitely helps. The size of dealer and your service history with them helps concentrate minds too. I found it interesting that Ferrari wants proof of ownership before accepting an LE classic on its "My Ferrari" database. In this Big Data age, Ferrari tracks its customers very closely.

[mattf93]

Camlet said:

There's no question a dealer prefers you to finance, but I do not believe it is a criterion in being selected for a new Ferrari LE model. Number of F cars currently owned, frequency of purchase and the type of models owned affect status. A classic LE within your currently owned stable(for example a 288 GTO, F50, Enzo) definitely helps. The size of dealer and your service history with them helps concentrate minds too. I found it interesting that Ferrari wants proof of ownership before accepting an LE classic on its "My Ferrari" database. In this Big Data age, Ferrari tracks its customers very closely.

And what do Ferrari consider as 'proof of ownership'? as a V5 'isn't proof of ownership'
Id just been told that a chap from FNE had told a friend asking about the criteria for selection that finance was one of the things they do look at - as well as the things you have mentioned. I know of 2 LaF owners that financed their LaF and Speciale Apertas and they both said the same thing - even thought they had the cash to buy outright... but then they both paid all the finance off within 6 months so I don't exactly understand why FNE would use it as an Assessment point?
Also theres all sorts of 'due diligence' that Ferrari seems to do on its most important customers/ambassadors - as that is effectively what LE owners become - ambassadors of the Ferrari Brand as they have been invited to spec a car rather than just being able to openly choose.

Have you got a F12 TDF on order per chance? I think they look absolutely nuts - and I wonder how much louder the exhaust will be?
I also hope they don't make the FF turbo or hybrid yet, and facelift with the NA v12 intact...
slightly off topic from the OP but oh well!

[Truckosaurus]

mattf93 said:

...I don't exactly understand why FNE would use it as an Assessment point? ...

Is it just down to them knowing they'll get paid if the potential owner signs up to the finance and gets pre-approved, rather than going on some vague promise to leave a cheque on the day of collection.

[Camlet]

mattf93 said:

Camlet said:

There's no question a dealer prefers you to finance, but I do not believe it is a criterion in being selected for a new Ferrari LE model. Number of F cars currently owned, frequency of purchase and the type of models owned affect status. A classic LE within your currently owned stable(for example a 288 GTO, F50, Enzo) definitely helps. The size of dealer and your service history with them helps concentrate minds too. I found it interesting that Ferrari wants proof of ownership before accepting an LE classic on its "My Ferrari" database. In this Big Data age, Ferrari tracks its customers very closely.

And what do Ferrari consider as 'proof of ownership'? as a V5 'isn't proof of ownership'
Id just been told that a chap from FNE had told a friend asking about the criteria for selection that finance was one of the things they do look at - as well as the things you have mentioned. I know of 2 LaF owners that financed their LaF and Speciale Apertas and they both said the same thing - even thought they had the cash to buy outright... but then they both paid all the finance off within 6 months so I don't exactly understand why FNE would use it as an Assessment point?
Also theres all sorts of 'due diligence' that Ferrari seems to do on its most important customers/ambassadors - as that is effectively what LE owners become - ambassadors of the Ferrari Brand as they have been invited to spec a car rather than just being able to openly choose.

Have you got a F12 TDF on order per chance? I think they look absolutely nuts - and I wonder how much louder the exhaust will be?
I also hope they don't make the FF turbo or hybrid yet, and facelift with the NA v12 intact...
slightly off topic from the OP but oh well!

Yes, they wanted a copy of the V5. And yes, I have an TDF on order. I went to the Preview at the factory so seen it up close but haven't heard one in anger. Based on its siblings I have assumed it will sound suitably epic

[mattf93]

Camlet said:

Yes, they wanted a copy of the V5. And yes, I have an TDF on order. I went to the Preview at the factory so seen it up close but haven't heard one in anger. Based on its siblings I have assumed it will sound suitably epic

Have you got an invite to go and see it? A friend who missed out on one has been invited to preview it or experience it - talk about a kick in the teeth!!!

[Camlet]

mattf93 said:

Camlet said:

Yes, they wanted a copy of the V5. And yes, I have an TDF on order. I went to the Preview at the factory so seen it up close but haven't heard one in anger. Based on its siblings I have assumed it will sound suitably epic

Have you got an invite to go and see it? A friend who missed out on one has been invited to preview it or experience it - talk about a kick in the teeth!!!

As I mentioned above I went to a preview at the factory. It was at the beginning of September. It's a shame your friend missed out but I seriously doubt he had a firm invite to any of the previews. Each preview was followed by an indiviudal session speccing your allocated car. Anyway probably need to return to discussing McLaren before we get into trouble

[mattf93]

Camlet said:

As I mentioned above I went to a preview at the factory. It was at the beginning of September. It's a shame your friend missed out but I seriously doubt he had a firm invite to any of the previews. Each preview was followed by an indiviudal session speccing your allocated car. Anyway probably need to return to discussing McLaren before we get into trouble

He didn't get an invite to preview sorry, I wrote the wrong thing - after speaking with FNE as to why he couldnt get allocation of a limited car (even though he has been buying ferraris for the best part of 15-20 years) they invited him to go to italy in early November to see the car. (not sure if its an experience ).

You have any clue when youll get delivery?

[Camlet]

Mid 2016.

[Zadkiel]

Apologies for continuing to be off topic but I'd love to see some pictures of that car when it arrives. Sadly getting a hold of a tdf was pretty tricky or impossible in our case.