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TP321 said:
Streetrod said:
From my perspective I see a brand new company that has entered into what has to be one of the most difficult markets to crack only four years ago and has managed to become profitable within two years. After a couple of a shaky moments they are now producing world class cars, are mentioned in the same breath as the established brands that have all been around for at least 40 years, and with the 570S have produced a car that has garnered universal acclaim from all those that have driven it with current deposits sitting at over 1000 at the moment.
So I ask again, where have they gone wrong and why would I be a fool to buy one?
Buy one if you have happy to lose £50k in the first year. This wont happen with the 911 Turbo or the R8.So I ask again, where have they gone wrong and why would I be a fool to buy one?
Edited by Streetrod on Thursday 12th November 11:50
But if you must have those doors and the Huracan front end look......
TP321 said:
Their brand recognition is too low to support 4000 annual units.
Don't agree with that.McLaren have great brand recognition, not just due to Formula One but also due to cars like the F1 and P1.
The road car division is still relatively new but anyone with the cash to spend on a 'supercar' will consider one alongside Ferrari, Porsche Lambo etc.
It's companies like Noble who really struggle with brand recognition despite making a good car.
ferdi p said:
TISPKJ said:
ferdi p said:
& lets be honest, very few people paid anything like 240/250k for a new 650
Possibly not, but for the ones that did and now looking to sell or change the offers being offered on a new 650 make selling an additional residual kick in the gonads !imagine lets say 12 months down the line after waiting for your £140/160k 570 that Mclaren struggle to sell as many as they thought and start to offer at say either 120 basic (unlikely) or fully optioned at £140 ..... you would be pretty miffed to say the least.
See what Ferrari offer you for a 6/12 month old F12
& try the same with a big AMG Merc, Roller, etc etc...
It's not exclusive to McLaren!!
What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer
) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.TISPKJ said:
I agree but in most cases that is just std residual values dictated by the market.
What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer ) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.
Absolute nonsense. Aston Martin being another example What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer
) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.
ferdi p said:
But you could say the same for many 'high end' non limited production cars, if you wanna have one of the 1st few cars, then your taking a risk that best you can afford!!
See what Ferrari offer you for a 6/12 month old F12
& try the same with a big AMG Merc, Roller, etc etc...
It's not exclusive to McLaren!!
why the F12? Why not the 458??See what Ferrari offer you for a 6/12 month old F12
& try the same with a big AMG Merc, Roller, etc etc...
It's not exclusive to McLaren!!
I bet there isnt one person on here who bought his 12C/650s at LIST who will dissagree with me......The only ones defending Mclaren seem to be those you bought it 2nd hand and have therefore not expericence the savage depreciation. But the 570s will change all that for you........
Or those who will never be in a position to buy one and can just dream (dreaming doesnt cost money)
Or those who will never be in a position to buy one and can just dream (dreaming doesnt cost money)
ferdi p said:
Not sure what your getting at, so the early 12C buyers lost a few quid, so what!?
I chose the F12 as brand name doesn't always guarantee strong residuals...
thats my point - 12C buyers lost a lot more than 458 buyers. And they will continue to do so versus the Ferrari eqivalent. I chose the F12 as brand name doesn't always guarantee strong residuals...
I bet there isnt one person on here who bought his FF at LIST who will disagree with me......
I bet there isnt one person on here who bought his Bentley GT at LIST who will disagree with me......
I bet there isnt one person on here who bought his Huracan at LIST who will disagree with me......
I bet there isnt one person on here who bought his V12VS at LIST who will disagree with me......
The list goes on....
I bet there isnt one person on here who bought his Bentley GT at LIST who will disagree with me......
I bet there isnt one person on here who bought his Huracan at LIST who will disagree with me......
I bet there isnt one person on here who bought his V12VS at LIST who will disagree with me......
The list goes on....
TP321 said:
thats my point - 12C buyers lost a lot more than 458 buyers. And they will continue to do so versus the Ferrari eqivalent.
Yes on a like for like the Mclaren will cost you more than the 458 (not by anything like you are suggesting as paying list for the Mclaren happened for a shorter time than paying overs to get an early car for the 458, whereby you are back to square one). Thankfully some people buy cars purely for enjoyment and don't obsess about residuals and also don't allow depreciation to purely colour their view of a car. I still have a 12c from mid 2012 and I do not regret in the least buying that car over the 458 as I enjoyed actually driving the 12c far more.
TP321 said:
thats my point - 12C buyers lost a lot more than 458 buyers. And they will continue to do so versus the Ferrari eqivalent.
SO FOOKING WHAT!!! Do you not think some buyers want to try something different to a Ferrari and therefore will swallow the depreciation pill? That another person may prefer what a Mclaren has to offer in terms of design, performance, handling etc than what Ferrari or Lamborghini have to offer?
What everyone wants in a car differs. 12c's (that Ive been in seemed to have a very supple ride in comparison to 458 - yet in a straight line the Mclaren does 'walk' (not run) away from a 458 - the 458 did feel 'busier'. Yes you can say a 458 sounds better, yes you can say the 458 has a better brand - but thats just your opinion. Not everyone is a sheep and follows your trail of thought.
Fair play that you feel strongly but you shouldn't rubbish everyone else's opinion using the value/discount argument - I think some on here are bored of hearing it!
Edited by mattf93 on Thursday 12th November 20:25
mattf93 said:
Fair play that you feel strongly but you shouldn't rubbish everyone else's opinion using the value/discount - I think some on here are bored of hearing it!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall any posts from TP where he actually discusses his own cars, the odd "That's nice I agree" type post and otherwise just constant McLaren bashing. Stick your own garage up TP and dazzle us with your uncanny ability to avoid depreciation. 
br d said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall any posts from TP where he actually discusses his own cars, the odd "That's nice I agree" type post and otherwise just constant McLaren bashing. Stick your own garage up TP and dazzle us with your uncanny ability to avoid depreciation.
Look on his profile - all his posts going back many months are pretty much all trolling McLaren posts, and all non-McLaren are all still depreciation related! Now I am never against anyone taking part but someone who does not own (or has never owned) has no right to comment on the rights/wrongs of spending money on a supercar if they have never experienced the decision making themselves. NickOrangeCars said:
Look on his profile - all his posts going back many months are pretty much all trolling McLaren posts, and all non-McLaren are all still depreciation related! Now I am never against anyone taking part but someone who does not own (or has never owned) has no right to comment on the rights/wrongs of spending money on a supercar if they have never experienced the decision making themselves.
I think when the only argument against a car is the value/depreciation/discount just shows how good the car really is going against Ferrari/Lamborghini 
I think people use the same argument as they have no clue of what they're like to own (this isn't from my personal experience as an owner btw - I'm too young and poor unfortunately)
garyhun said:
I can only assume that TP321 lives such a joyless and unfulfilling life that he does not understand what fun it can be or how to have it.
Sad really.
Ahhh Mr Hun! have you decided on your spec? or know when delivery is yet? Sad really.
Edited by garyhun on Thursday 12th November 21:29
(540c IIRC?)AMDBSNick said:
TISPKJ said:
I agree but in most cases that is just std residual values dictated by the market.
What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer ) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.
Absolute nonsense. Aston Martin being another example What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer
) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.TISPKJ said:
AMDBSNick said:
TISPKJ said:
I agree but in most cases that is just std residual values dictated by the market.
What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer ) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.
Absolute nonsense. Aston Martin being another example What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer
) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.
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