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AMDBSNick said:
TISPKJ said:
AMDBSNick said:
TISPKJ said:
I agree but in most cases that is just std residual values dictated by the market.
What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer
) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.
Absolute nonsense. Aston Martin being another example What we have allegedly seen in the past here is that additionally McLaren have added some fairly strong incentives to shift cars and therefore adding to the problem.
what I have always said for years on any car (within reason) is that you never get back any of the option costs on a car, so as someone said earlier 12C new at 170k fallen to circa 120k in 4/5 years is arguably not bad, the fact that my car listed at 218k (thanks original buyer
) is what is clouding the issue in most cases.
mb1 said:
Looks like the first 570S has appeared on Autotrader. At McLaren Manchester. Photos from the front are not very nice. That front lip is too large IMO.
...Haha here we go again. Isnt that supposed to be the demonstrator - why are they selling it? £175k? they must be having a laugh, but i guess better to strike early while the is still a shortage and can get a few sales in...
You are in for a rocky ride boys...Seriously, why is it for sale when other depositors have to wait 6 months for their car? And if they sell it tomorrow, how do they carry out demonstrations? Or do they have an unlimited supply of cars? So, they cash in in the early days when there is still a buzz and big demand, whilst the person who placed a deposit 8 months ago waits patiently for his - and by the time he gets it, there will be a new version out...History repeating itself.
You still think i am trolling??
Edited by TP321 on Friday 13th November 13:25
ferdi p said:
You could be right!!
I still want to know what you drive & what your secret is to avoiding depreciation...
I know that i am right. I think its unfair that some people have placed deposits ages ago - long before there was any reviews. Now that the reviews have been positive, its a kick in the teeth that the dealer can sell demo after demo to anyone who has been sitting on the fence..I still want to know what you drive & what your secret is to avoiding depreciation...
ferdi p said:
I still want to know what you drive & what your secret is to avoiding depreciation...
If he had anything meaningful to say, that would substantiate his vast experience in supercar ownership and his understanding as to why (or how...) people buy expensive cars, which by their very nature lose value if you drive them, he would have answered that question a long time ago.... As he has been asked quite a few times now... TP321 said:
I know that i am right. I think its unfair that some people have placed deposits ages ago - long before there was any reviews. Now that the reviews have been positive, its a kick in the teeth that the dealer can sell demo after demo to anyone who has been sitting on the fence..
Why don't you go hang out in the Ferrari group , you obviously love them so much, in fact why not go hang out in the KIA forum as clearly more your level, you obviously get some kind of odd pleasure from trying to wind up real owners and that is just sad, were all passionate about our cars, 99% of people also love all the supercar brands, we love to compare, discuss etc, but you only want to slag things off, and given your obsession with the £££ you obviously don't have any, because if you did you would know that most of us buy to enjoy the car first and foremost.Edited by NickOrangeCars on Friday 13th November 18:31
TISPKJ said:
MB you being serious or on a wind up ? I cant see on autotrader ?
It seems to have disappeared.One thing for sure.... TP321 did not buy it
Oh, look what I found in my iPad auto trader cache memory... (yes, TP321, I buy Apple product even if they are more expensive because the experience is better !)
NickOrangeCars said:
Why don't you go hang out in the Ferrari group , you obviously love them so much, in fact why not go hang out in the KIA forum as clearly more your level, you obviously get some kind of odd pleasure from trying to wind up real owners and that is just sad, were all passionate about our cars, 99% of people also love all the supercar brands, we love to compare, discuss etc, but you only want to slag things off, and given your obsession with the £££ you obviously don't have any, because if you did you would know that most of us buy to enjoy the car first and foremost.
Why be wound up by it? He is just talking £££, not saying they are bad cars.Edited by NickOrangeCars on Friday 13th November 18:31
Look, if McLaren do operate profit maximisation strategies that are executed at the expense of customers, I think that it is of value for (potential) customers to be aware of that. The question is not what does this guy drive or how much depreciation he takes each year, the question is whether any of his accusations about McLaren practices are true - and if they are, whether customers think that the practices are acceptable or not.
sealtt said:
Why be wound up by it? He is just talking £££, not saying they are bad cars.
Look, if McLaren do operate profit maximisation strategies that are executed at the expense of customers, I think that it is of value for (potential) customers to be aware of that. The question is not what does this guy drive or how much depreciation he takes each year, the question is whether any of his accusations about McLaren practices are true - and if they are, whether customers think that the practices are acceptable or not.
Spot on!Look, if McLaren do operate profit maximisation strategies that are executed at the expense of customers, I think that it is of value for (potential) customers to be aware of that. The question is not what does this guy drive or how much depreciation he takes each year, the question is whether any of his accusations about McLaren practices are true - and if they are, whether customers think that the practices are acceptable or not.
...and by the way, they would be shocked if they knew what i drive..
mb1 said:
Oh, look what I found in my iPad auto trader cache memory... (yes, TP321, I buy Apple product even if they are more expensive because the experience is better !)
Actually if you really analyse it, you buy an Apple product because it has the HIGHEST brand recognistion and the very best residuals..it is the Ferrari of the technology market..TP321 said:
...Haha here we go again. Isnt that supposed to be the demonstrator - why are they selling it? £175k? they must be having a laugh, but i guess better to strike early while the is still a shortage and can get a few sales in... You are in for a rocky ride boys...
Seriously, why is it for sale when other depositors have to wait 6 months for their car? And if they sell it tomorrow, how do they carry out demonstrations? Or do they have an unlimited supply of cars? So, they cash in in the early days when there is still a buzz and big demand, whilst the person who placed a deposit 8 months ago waits patiently for his - and by the time he gets it, there will be a new version out...History repeating itself.
You still think i am trolling??
You are most definitely trolling. That is a customer car. Some of the dealers have yet to actually receive their demonsrators, they will also have to keep them for a specific period as determined by Mclaren. The car belongs to either a speculator, a financially distressed customer, or the customer has changed their mind but was unable to cancel. You are in for a rocky ride boys...Seriously, why is it for sale when other depositors have to wait 6 months for their car? And if they sell it tomorrow, how do they carry out demonstrations? Or do they have an unlimited supply of cars? So, they cash in in the early days when there is still a buzz and big demand, whilst the person who placed a deposit 8 months ago waits patiently for his - and by the time he gets it, there will be a new version out...History repeating itself.
You still think i am trolling??
Edited by TP321 on Friday 13th November 13:25
Edited by propaganda on Friday 13th November 20:09
Edited by propaganda on Friday 13th November 20:10
TP321 said:
Actually if you really analyse it, you buy an Apple product because it has the HIGHEST brand recognistion and the very best residuals..it is the Ferrari of the technology market..
You definitely know not nothing about Ferrari or Apple... I can use my iPad everyday, it works every time, it is smooth and fast. Exactly like my McLaren ! And the same reasons why I choose a 12C over a 458.Anyway, we digress...
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