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mattf93 said:
Instead of what exactly?
Its difficult to say, I don't know how the 12c drives? But Ive always loved it! Warp speed fast.
But it also depends on your intended usage?
I think it also depends on if you have to own a new car, the second hand value on the 12c and how good it drives ( I did a 2000mile plus euro trip in mine in a week) means it must be the best value Mclaren ATM .Its difficult to say, I don't know how the 12c drives? But Ive always loved it! Warp speed fast.
But it also depends on your intended usage?
The problem is when you start to think about changing it and you see what you can have besides for the same money for a new car makes it difficult to justify the swap.
It does look like the 540/570 is the way to go if you want a new car without spending a lot more than maybe you need to to get that great super car ownership experience .
hornbaek said:
I seems that McLaren is largely competing with itself. They all look the same, they all have the same engine and you can now choose to spend 100k,150k or in excess of 200k for a McLaren that is fast but pretty unspectacular. Is it only me or does the 570s look like a Gallardo.
Im thinking you're a troll? As how the fudge does a 570s look like a gallordo?
Depends also on your definition of spectacular...
Wow, hats off to McLaren again this is really going to shake up the top end sports car market ( ie 911 & R8 ). Great price point
Still can't beat active aero and hydraulic suspension offered by the supercar series cars though
Lightly used 650S spider or a specced up ones of these, it would be the 650S for me
Still can't beat active aero and hydraulic suspension offered by the supercar series cars though
Lightly used 650S spider or a specced up ones of these, it would be the 650S for me
Have to admit never been a McLaren fan. A friend bought a 12c when it came out & I never "got it". Didn't like the styling, engine noise was awful. Just found it very underwhelming. 650s was an improvement but still didn't like it enough to buy (although it is growing in me slowly but surely).
Saw the 570s when it came out and totally loved it. Don't know what, but something just clicked & I bought one right there. Arriving soon. Can't wait!
Saw the 570s when it came out and totally loved it. Don't know what, but something just clicked & I bought one right there. Arriving soon. Can't wait!
hornbaek said:
I seems that McLaren is largely competing with itself. They all look the same, they all have the same engine and you can now choose to spend 100k,150k or in excess of 200k for a McLaren that is fast but pretty unspectacular. Is it only me or does the 570s look like a Gallardo.
Specsavers mate, I think its time you paid a visitHornbaek has a good point though with a few cf options, the biggest issue a 570 might well have is from a highly discounted dealer inventory 650. It is not easy to see the 2 cars co-existing given the market prices now required to shift 650s. History suggests that Mclaren might be far more likely to start discounting the P13 cars than shut off 650 production as one might expect.....
Streetrod said:
Specsavers mate, I think its time you paid a visit
All the non believers should at least pay a visit and drive the McLarens.I am a die hard Ferrari fan and owner and had specced up a 458 spider and speciale on the dealers configurator all ready to place an order for one of them to replace my scuderia when I thought maybe I should just go and drive a 12C again and maybe a 650S as well.
Well that was that. The 13MY 12Cspider was so much better than my first experience of 12C 2 years earlier and I thought wow this car is seriously good but then as I couldn't quite conclude the right deal for me on one I tried their 650S spider demo and was totally blown away.
650S had so much more feel and emotion to it than 12C IMHO and was far superior as an all rounder than either of the Ferrari's.
Its just such an accomplished supercar - great on the track but simply the best you can get on the road
I don't like the look of the 570 - its best angel in the straight front view where it does look like a Hurracan. The rest of it is a mess, especially the back end. Properly specced these will be £170k and that's for a coupe with skinny tyres! The Spider will be a further £20k on top..crazy when for that you can have the real deal - 650s! Pointless car - its just designed to shift a bit of volume so that McLaren can build more of the ultra expensive hypercars.
The R8 with that glorious V10 NORMALLY ASPIRATED engine will make this car look very expensive and totally unnecessary.
The R8 with that glorious V10 NORMALLY ASPIRATED engine will make this car look very expensive and totally unnecessary.
My point is, that the price points in the McLaren range are not far enough from each other which means that if you are in the market for a McLaren you will eventually have the choice between the 570 and a slightly used 650 as a three months old 650 Spyder can be had for 185k (I know that for a fact). The 650 is a more sophisticated car but does not have the novelty of the 570 with the all digital driver display (as the P1). It also means that the 570 has just added further to the 650 depreciation curve and not kept a lid on it.
hornbaek said:
My point is, that the price points in the McLaren range are not far enough from each other which means that if you are in the market for a McLaren you will eventually have the choice between the 570 and a slightly used 650 as a three months old 650 Spyder can be had for 185k (I know that for a fact). The 650 is a more sophisticated car but does not have the novelty of the 570 with the all digital driver display (as the P1). It also means that the 570 has just added further to the 650 depreciation curve and not kept a lid on it.
+1RamboLambo said:
All the non believers should at least pay a visit and drive the McLarens.
I am a die hard Ferrari fan and owner and had specced up a 458 spider and speciale on the dealers configurator all ready to place an order for one of them to replace my scuderia when I thought maybe I should just go and drive a 12C again and maybe a 650S as well.
Well that was that. The 13MY 12Cspider was so much better than my first experience of 12C 2 years earlier and I thought wow this car is seriously good but then as I couldn't quite conclude the right deal for me on one I tried their 650S spider demo and was totally blown away.
650S had so much more feel and emotion to it than 12C IMHO and was far superior as an all rounder than either of the Ferrari's.
Its just such an accomplished supercar - great on the track but simply the best you can get on the road
Problem for the 650s is that the 570s would seem to be even better in many ways!I am a die hard Ferrari fan and owner and had specced up a 458 spider and speciale on the dealers configurator all ready to place an order for one of them to replace my scuderia when I thought maybe I should just go and drive a 12C again and maybe a 650S as well.
Well that was that. The 13MY 12Cspider was so much better than my first experience of 12C 2 years earlier and I thought wow this car is seriously good but then as I couldn't quite conclude the right deal for me on one I tried their 650S spider demo and was totally blown away.
650S had so much more feel and emotion to it than 12C IMHO and was far superior as an all rounder than either of the Ferrari's.
Its just such an accomplished supercar - great on the track but simply the best you can get on the road
Ok, lacks ultimate performance but sounds like it might be more involving enjoyable drive. Arguably looks better, actually looks smaller whilst being larger, improves ingress by reducing the tub height and improves the entry with better door opening. Great car!
540/570 are McLarens volume models, they can't afford for it not to work - personally can't see the 650s surviving long and for sure the replacement will go up market with lower volume. LT coupe and LT spider perhaps show the way forward although in a non limited environment this might be a difficult sell - especially with the one engine one tub ethos.
TP321 said:
I don't like the look of the 570 - its best angel in the straight front view where it does look like a Hurracan. The rest of it is a mess, especially the back end. Properly specced these will be £170k and that's for a coupe with skinny tyres! The Spider will be a further £20k on top..crazy when for that you can have the real deal - 650s! Pointless car - its just designed to shift a bit of volume so that McLaren can build more of the ultra expensive hypercars.
The R8 with that glorious V10 NORMALLY ASPIRATED engine will make this car look very expensive and totally unnecessary.
I think that's a bit harsh on the 570S as its certainly a cracking sports car.The R8 with that glorious V10 NORMALLY ASPIRATED engine will make this car look very expensive and totally unnecessary.
I like certain elements of the design but there are other parts where I think it looks a bit too fussy and like someone has been trying too hard to make it look different.
It will definitely be a good seller in the sports car market and at that price point but like you I think I would go for a used 650s spider over it every time. 80 bhp and lb/ft torque more, active aero and hydraulic suspension puts it in a totally different SUPERcar league
Russell996 said:
Problem for the 650s is that the 570s would seem to be even better in many ways!
Ok, lacks ultimate performance but sounds like it might be more involving enjoyable drive. Arguably looks better, actually looks smaller whilst being larger, improves ingress by reducing the tub height and improves the entry with better door opening. Great car!
540/570 are McLarens volume models, they can't afford for it not to work - personally can't see the 650s surviving long and for sure the replacement will go up market with lower volume. LT coupe and LT spider perhaps show the way forward although in a non limited environment this might be a difficult sell - especially with the one engine one tub ethos.
The fact that 650S production is coming to an end and numbers are so small circa 2,500 worldwide will be very good for residuals long term. Believe me 650s spiders will become sought after cars in the future.Ok, lacks ultimate performance but sounds like it might be more involving enjoyable drive. Arguably looks better, actually looks smaller whilst being larger, improves ingress by reducing the tub height and improves the entry with better door opening. Great car!
540/570 are McLarens volume models, they can't afford for it not to work - personally can't see the 650s surviving long and for sure the replacement will go up market with lower volume. LT coupe and LT spider perhaps show the way forward although in a non limited environment this might be a difficult sell - especially with the one engine one tub ethos.
Its already clearly apparent just from the traffic on this forum people are wakening up to how good both 12C and 650s are, and incredible value for money.
As demand grows and numbers capped prices will stabilise and toughen up as already seen with early MP4 12C cars.
Lets face it would you buy a 6 year old regular F430 or a 4 year old MP4 12C for similar prices. That's a no brainer once you get over the prancing horse badge
A lot of interesting augments going on here.
Personally I feel the 570 is going to be a success because in the flesh it looks wonderful, and in some of the more mature colours looks very classy. Please see the pic attached.
Will a well specked one edge into 650S space? Well yes it will, but I think this is less likely to be a problem as I suspect a large percentage of buyers will be new to the brand and will be attracted by the more practical car and the fact it really looks like a next generation design, especially on the inside where it works much better than the 650S. I would also predict that this car will attract more female buyers for the same reason.
The 650S will continue to attract a small number of buyers because of its performance and the deals on offer until it is replaced.
Personally I am more attracted to the 570 because it is more playful and exploitable. The 650S is almost too good requiring you to track it to get the most out of it. Ultimate pace I feel will became less of a priority as time goes on as customers demand more fun at sane speeds
Personally I feel the 570 is going to be a success because in the flesh it looks wonderful, and in some of the more mature colours looks very classy. Please see the pic attached.
Will a well specked one edge into 650S space? Well yes it will, but I think this is less likely to be a problem as I suspect a large percentage of buyers will be new to the brand and will be attracted by the more practical car and the fact it really looks like a next generation design, especially on the inside where it works much better than the 650S. I would also predict that this car will attract more female buyers for the same reason.
The 650S will continue to attract a small number of buyers because of its performance and the deals on offer until it is replaced.
Personally I am more attracted to the 570 because it is more playful and exploitable. The 650S is almost too good requiring you to track it to get the most out of it. Ultimate pace I feel will became less of a priority as time goes on as customers demand more fun at sane speeds
Personally I think the 570 is to expensive, it should have been the £126k starter that the 540 will be in order to take more market share, I can see now next spring there will be threads regarding how McLaren have done the dirty on 570 owners buy making the same car for a lot less, followed closely by the spider no doubt, cant really understand the point of 2 cars to be honest, I guess to compete with Turbo and Turbo S ?
Unless you absolutely have to have a new car then a 5k mile 12C at £25k less seems a better buy especially if you consider resale value.
Also as said above for a bit more money a year old 650 makes a good argument.
It does sound like a more driver involving fun sports car for sure.
Unless you absolutely have to have a new car then a 5k mile 12C at £25k less seems a better buy especially if you consider resale value.
Also as said above for a bit more money a year old 650 makes a good argument.
It does sound like a more driver involving fun sports car for sure.
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