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Davey S2 said:
Charlysparrow said:
Hi Prices for options on this car are mind bendingly high and therein lies the problem. At £143k it's a bargain but you need to spend in excess of £175k to make the car stunning.
No different to buying a new Ferrari though surely?Stunning is in the eye of the beholder.
We buy these cars not only for the performance but for how they look and make us feel.
All the release cars seem to have the carbon 1 & 2 packs, £5450 and £7730 respectively. Add Lux pack £6990 (heated Mem seats, electric column, Bowers & Wilkins sound, soft close and mats), and the security pack £3940 (lift, cameras and packing aids etc) add Elite paint, £3420, and a sports exhaust £3180 and you come close to a car that I'd want to buy.
I've not seen a non carbon spec car so will need to take a view. Has anyone seen one in the flesh? How does it compare to the carbon cars? Avoid external carbon is the answer I guess but they do look so lovely.....
Charlysparrow
All the release cars seem to have the carbon 1 & 2 packs, £5450 and £7730 respectively. Add Lux pack £6990 (heated Mem seats, electric column, Bowers & Wilkins sound, soft close and mats), and the security pack £3940 (lift, cameras and packing aids etc) add Elite paint, £3420, and a sports exhaust £3180 and you come close to a car that I'd want to buy.
I've not seen a non carbon spec car so will need to take a view. Has anyone seen one in the flesh? How does it compare to the carbon cars? Avoid external carbon is the answer I guess but they do look so lovely.....
Charlysparrow
Here's the full options list for a 570S.
It may have been posted already but i don't recall having seen it.
CARBON FIBRE EXTERIOR PACK 1 £5,450
CARBON FIBRE EXTERIOR PACK 2 £7,730
CARBON FIBRE INTERIOR PACK £5,130
SECURITY PACK £3,940
LUX PACK £6,990
SPECIAL PAINT £1,350
ELITE PAINT £3,420
CARBON FIBRE AERO BLADES £2,910
CARBON FIBRE DIFFUSER £4,120
CARBON FIBRE DOOR MIRRORS £1,430
CARBON FIBRE WHEEL ARCHES £1,830
STEALTH BADGE SET £0
DELETE MODEL DESIGNATION £0
CARBON FIBRE SIDE INTAKES £2,080
CARBON FIBRE EXTERIOR DOOR INSERTS £2,910
CARBON FIBRE SIDE SKIRTS £2,080
CARBON FIBRE REAR DECK £4,210
sport exhaust £3,180
STEALTH EFFECT EXHAUST FINISHER £420
SOFT CLOSE DOORS £600
ELECTRIC STEERING COLUMN £1,320
ELECTRIC HEATED MEMORY SEATS £2,620
CARBON FIBRE RACING SEAT - STD OR LGE £4,910
interior trim nappa - sport OR DESIOGN £1,590
INTERIOR TRIM NAPPA ALCANTARA £1,830
BY MCLAREN DESIGNER INTERIOR £2,470
CARBON BLACK ALCANTATA STEERING WHEEL £490
CARBON FIBRE SEAT BACK £3,050
LEATHER SILL FINISHER £600
CARBON FIBRE SILL FINISHER £1,790
CARBON FIBRE INTERIOR COMPONENTS £2,450
CARBON FIBRE INTERIOR DOOR INSERTS £1,590
CARBON FIBRE TUNNEL SIDE £1,990
NAPPA LEATHER/ALCANTARA HEADLINER £840
BRIGHTWORK - SMOKED CHROME £320
5 - SPOKE LIGHTWEIGHT WHEEL - SILVER £1,970
SUPERLIGHTWEIGHT WHEEL - SILVER £2,810
STEALTH WHEEL FINISH £1,090
DIAMOND CUT WHEEL FINISH £1,490
SPECIAL COLOUR BRAKE CALLIPERS £880
p Zero tyres or Trofeo £0
8 speaker system £1,590
b & w 12 speaker system £3,400
TRACK TELEMETY WITH TIMER £2,070
TRACK TELEMETY WITH TIMER & CAMERAS £3,340
VOLUMETRIC ALARM UPGRADE £270
VEHICLE TRACKING SYSTEM £620
FRONT AND REAR PARKING SENSORS £960
REAR VIEW CAMERA £990
VEHICLE LIFT £1,990
BRANDED FLOOR MATS £310
ASHTRAY £40
CAR COVER £440
FIRE EXTINGUISHER £140
It may have been posted already but i don't recall having seen it.
CARBON FIBRE EXTERIOR PACK 1 £5,450
CARBON FIBRE EXTERIOR PACK 2 £7,730
CARBON FIBRE INTERIOR PACK £5,130
SECURITY PACK £3,940
LUX PACK £6,990
SPECIAL PAINT £1,350
ELITE PAINT £3,420
CARBON FIBRE AERO BLADES £2,910
CARBON FIBRE DIFFUSER £4,120
CARBON FIBRE DOOR MIRRORS £1,430
CARBON FIBRE WHEEL ARCHES £1,830
STEALTH BADGE SET £0
DELETE MODEL DESIGNATION £0
CARBON FIBRE SIDE INTAKES £2,080
CARBON FIBRE EXTERIOR DOOR INSERTS £2,910
CARBON FIBRE SIDE SKIRTS £2,080
CARBON FIBRE REAR DECK £4,210
sport exhaust £3,180
STEALTH EFFECT EXHAUST FINISHER £420
SOFT CLOSE DOORS £600
ELECTRIC STEERING COLUMN £1,320
ELECTRIC HEATED MEMORY SEATS £2,620
CARBON FIBRE RACING SEAT - STD OR LGE £4,910
interior trim nappa - sport OR DESIOGN £1,590
INTERIOR TRIM NAPPA ALCANTARA £1,830
BY MCLAREN DESIGNER INTERIOR £2,470
CARBON BLACK ALCANTATA STEERING WHEEL £490
CARBON FIBRE SEAT BACK £3,050
LEATHER SILL FINISHER £600
CARBON FIBRE SILL FINISHER £1,790
CARBON FIBRE INTERIOR COMPONENTS £2,450
CARBON FIBRE INTERIOR DOOR INSERTS £1,590
CARBON FIBRE TUNNEL SIDE £1,990
NAPPA LEATHER/ALCANTARA HEADLINER £840
BRIGHTWORK - SMOKED CHROME £320
5 - SPOKE LIGHTWEIGHT WHEEL - SILVER £1,970
SUPERLIGHTWEIGHT WHEEL - SILVER £2,810
STEALTH WHEEL FINISH £1,090
DIAMOND CUT WHEEL FINISH £1,490
SPECIAL COLOUR BRAKE CALLIPERS £880
p Zero tyres or Trofeo £0
8 speaker system £1,590
b & w 12 speaker system £3,400
TRACK TELEMETY WITH TIMER £2,070
TRACK TELEMETY WITH TIMER & CAMERAS £3,340
VOLUMETRIC ALARM UPGRADE £270
VEHICLE TRACKING SYSTEM £620
FRONT AND REAR PARKING SENSORS £960
REAR VIEW CAMERA £990
VEHICLE LIFT £1,990
BRANDED FLOOR MATS £310
ASHTRAY £40
CAR COVER £440
FIRE EXTINGUISHER £140
Charlysparrow said:
We buy these cars not only for the performance but for how they look and make us feel.
All the release cars seem to have the carbon 1 & 2 packs, £5450 and £7730 respectively. Add Lux pack £6990 (heated Mem seats, electric column, Bowers & Wilkins sound, soft close and mats), and the security pack £3940 (lift, cameras and packing aids etc) add Elite paint, £3420, and a sports exhaust £3180 and you come close to a car that I'd want to buy.
What about the interior options? All the interesting upholstery options are very expensive.All the release cars seem to have the carbon 1 & 2 packs, £5450 and £7730 respectively. Add Lux pack £6990 (heated Mem seats, electric column, Bowers & Wilkins sound, soft close and mats), and the security pack £3940 (lift, cameras and packing aids etc) add Elite paint, £3420, and a sports exhaust £3180 and you come close to a car that I'd want to buy.
The Lux pack has to be the biggest waste of time. Why do you need electric seats, steering column if you're the only one driving? And do you really need a boombox for a weekend car?
garyhun said:
Unless you go crazy on external carbon you really can get a superb spec for around £160k.
Stunning is in the eye of the beholder.
This is correct. You do not need to spec a full carbon exterior. I reckon a well optioned 570s will be around 160k mark. Speccing to 175k is not required - you will lose your shirt on trade-in. Quite frankly a 540c at 140k+ will be almost identical to a 160k 570s on the road, only true anoraks will be able to spot the difference. For most drivers performance will be indistinguishable also.Stunning is in the eye of the beholder.
propaganda said:
This is correct. You do not need to spec a full carbon exterior. I reckon a well optioned 570s will be around 160k mark. Speccing to 175k is not required - you will lose your shirt on trade-in. Quite frankly a 540c at 140k+ will be almost identical to a 160k 570s on the road, only true anoraks will be able to spot the difference. For most drivers performance will be indistinguishable also.
And a simple and cheap ECU tweak will get you from 540 to 570, if not beyond....If you want a 540C with more power why not buy a 12C, not only will you get even more power but also better suspension, less depreciation, the option of a Spider and some 'change' to spend on something else(?)
In a year or so from now i wonder whether the 570S's might be the odd one of the three?
If you want to spend the least and 199mph and 3.5s 0-60 is enough then buy a 540C, but if its 'too slow' for you then buy a 12C.
Alternative view is that given the choice of a range of 3 of any product, many people go for the 'middle' option, so perhaps the 570S might prove the most popular....time will tell.
In a year or so from now i wonder whether the 570S's might be the odd one of the three?
If you want to spend the least and 199mph and 3.5s 0-60 is enough then buy a 540C, but if its 'too slow' for you then buy a 12C.
Alternative view is that given the choice of a range of 3 of any product, many people go for the 'middle' option, so perhaps the 570S might prove the most popular....time will tell.
We are not really talking about an average target population here.
People spending £125k+ on a car have enjoyed some kind of success and are more often then not competitive. So, my view is that the middle option is the least interesting to that market.
They will either want the cheap entry ticket (the minority) into a supercar brand or the best model they can afford. And performance, although totally irrelevant for road usage and far sufficient in even a 540 form, plays a very important in the decision making... You know... Size does matter !!
At the moment, given the prices, the 12C is a no-brainer. It is a better car in every respect to the 540/570. It also has a timeless design which is the reason appeal has not faded away.
The number of cars sold over the last month speaks for itself. It will be interesting to see what happen to prices when there are very few cars left end of May/June. And that McLaren needs to start shifting 540, as I think they are actually struggling... One way to entice people towards the 540 and 570 will be to maintain strong prices of the 12C and 650.
People spending £125k+ on a car have enjoyed some kind of success and are more often then not competitive. So, my view is that the middle option is the least interesting to that market.
They will either want the cheap entry ticket (the minority) into a supercar brand or the best model they can afford. And performance, although totally irrelevant for road usage and far sufficient in even a 540 form, plays a very important in the decision making... You know... Size does matter !!
At the moment, given the prices, the 12C is a no-brainer. It is a better car in every respect to the 540/570. It also has a timeless design which is the reason appeal has not faded away.
The number of cars sold over the last month speaks for itself. It will be interesting to see what happen to prices when there are very few cars left end of May/June. And that McLaren needs to start shifting 540, as I think they are actually struggling... One way to entice people towards the 540 and 570 will be to maintain strong prices of the 12C and 650.
Those option prices for the 570 are lower than the same options on the 650S.
I'm a little surprised at the comments on McLaren options being high, if you're buying these sort of cars then this is how it works. I've previously owned Ferrari and Lambo and I don't recall their option list being any more competitive.
I'm a little surprised at the comments on McLaren options being high, if you're buying these sort of cars then this is how it works. I've previously owned Ferrari and Lambo and I don't recall their option list being any more competitive.
I took a 570S for a test drive on Saturday.
Absolutely loved it. Beautiful inside and out.
I have a 540C on order as I do not need the £8K carbon ceramic discs and to be honest the extra 33BHP in a 570S doesn't justify the price difference.
But what a fantastic drive. This will be my first McLaren after years of Caterham, Noble, Aston ownership and already it is a cut above. Can't wait. Roll on April/May.
Mine will be the first 540C in Berkshire. (Or maybe that's salesman pitch!)
Absolutely loved it. Beautiful inside and out.
I have a 540C on order as I do not need the £8K carbon ceramic discs and to be honest the extra 33BHP in a 570S doesn't justify the price difference.
But what a fantastic drive. This will be my first McLaren after years of Caterham, Noble, Aston ownership and already it is a cut above. Can't wait. Roll on April/May.
Mine will be the first 540C in Berkshire. (Or maybe that's salesman pitch!)
Congratulations. Will be a storming car and April is barely 2 months away (that's the man maths calendar at work!).
The astonishing thing about the 570/540 is the weight - or lack of it. A 'mere' 540 PS is hardly going to feel anything other than blisteringly quick.
Which colour did you go for?
The astonishing thing about the 570/540 is the weight - or lack of it. A 'mere' 540 PS is hardly going to feel anything other than blisteringly quick.
Which colour did you go for?
You are right I think.
Why do options need to be priced pro rata with the cost of the vehicle. It just means that it becomes obvious that customers are being fleeced as it is assumed because of the price of the base vehicle, they have deep pockets and if all carbon enhancement are ticked, limited common sense!
When I speced the car, I did go through all options, but the cost of each upgrade was so exagerated that I only went for options that I felt the car needed, not me.
I was told by McLaren that the £3.5K sports exhaust upgrade has no effect on performance, it is a noise enhancement only. That sums it up really! £3.5K for a different noise!!! Does a different silencer with slightly less packing cost that much more to manufacture. I suspect not.
In any case. The base car is spectacular and regardless of the level of trim, will always be spectacular.
Why do options need to be priced pro rata with the cost of the vehicle. It just means that it becomes obvious that customers are being fleeced as it is assumed because of the price of the base vehicle, they have deep pockets and if all carbon enhancement are ticked, limited common sense!
When I speced the car, I did go through all options, but the cost of each upgrade was so exagerated that I only went for options that I felt the car needed, not me.
I was told by McLaren that the £3.5K sports exhaust upgrade has no effect on performance, it is a noise enhancement only. That sums it up really! £3.5K for a different noise!!! Does a different silencer with slightly less packing cost that much more to manufacture. I suspect not.
In any case. The base car is spectacular and regardless of the level of trim, will always be spectacular.
MadMacMcMad said:
You are right I think.
Why do options need to be priced pro rata with the cost of the vehicle. It just means that it becomes obvious that customers are being fleeced as it is assumed because of the price of the base vehicle, they have deep pockets and if all carbon enhancement are ticked, limited common sense!
When I speced the car, I did go through all options, but the cost of each upgrade was so exagerated that I only went for options that I felt the car needed, not me.
I was told by McLaren that the £3.5K sports exhaust upgrade has no effect on performance, it is a noise enhancement only. That sums it up really! £3.5K for a different noise!!! Does a different silencer with slightly less packing cost that much more to manufacture. I suspect not.
In any case. The base car is spectacular and regardless of the level of trim, will always be spectacular.
Indeed.Why do options need to be priced pro rata with the cost of the vehicle. It just means that it becomes obvious that customers are being fleeced as it is assumed because of the price of the base vehicle, they have deep pockets and if all carbon enhancement are ticked, limited common sense!
When I speced the car, I did go through all options, but the cost of each upgrade was so exagerated that I only went for options that I felt the car needed, not me.
I was told by McLaren that the £3.5K sports exhaust upgrade has no effect on performance, it is a noise enhancement only. That sums it up really! £3.5K for a different noise!!! Does a different silencer with slightly less packing cost that much more to manufacture. I suspect not.
In any case. The base car is spectacular and regardless of the level of trim, will always be spectacular.
When I was speaking to McLaren Birmingham about one, the Guaranteed Final Value figure they were proudly quoting was always based on the initial base price and was no way impacted by the additional options added. Thus meaning that if two cars were handed back, one fully loaded and one with nothing added, both would be valued the same, meaning the person who fully loaded the car has lost every single penny spent on options.................
MadMacMcMad said:
I have Storm Grey exterior and standard black leather interior.
Standard silver alloys.
The only other options I went for were mats, nose lift and parking sensors. And anything that was free.
Quite sensible. However I would find out what that standard interior is really like. There are no photos anywhere, and it is my understanding that space fabric is used for large areas of the cabin - this is fine if you are aware of this and may indeed look quite good, but better forewarned.Standard silver alloys.
The only other options I went for were mats, nose lift and parking sensors. And anything that was free.
I too think you do not need a lot of carbon, ceramics, sports exhaust, etc.. The wheels on the 540c look good as standard. McLaren have been very cute in only showing cars with tens of thousands of options in order to make prospective customers think that they are essential. I saw a silver 540c at the factory which looked great with no carbon - much better than an all black car as you lose the contrast between the palladium and the silver.
propaganda said:
Quite sensible. However I would find out what that standard interior is really like. There are no photos anywhere, and it is my understanding that space fabric is used for large areas of the cabin - this is fine if you are aware of this and may indeed look quite good, but better forewarned.
You can see the standard interior on the configuration. Not a great amount of detail in the cgi images admittedly.Gassing Station | McLaren | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff