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TP321 said:
to me, this looks:
much better than this:
The top one looks like its made out of metal.much better than this:
The bottom one, plastic.
Mclaren should look closely at their panel designs, mouldings, the radius of their edges etc. their cars are increasingly looking more and more plasticky. The bright "Lotus-esque" colour schemes don't help either.
One glance at something like a 275 gtb tells you just how ugly and generic modern day cars have become. Nothing is special anymore.
TP321 said:
to me, this looks:
much better than this:
Sorry I would have to disagree, looks being subjective and all. Having spent time up close and personal with the 570S and the 650S where I took the above picture, the 570S just looks more grown up and sophisticated. Details like the flying buttresses and the tendons in the doors show a real design finesse that is lacking a little in the MP4/650S. It has real presence. Personally I think it better suits the more subtle colours like the above one but can carry off leery if need be.much better than this:
Anyway the proof will be in the pudding. If the 1000+ confirmed orders are to be believed then McLaren have a winner on their hands
I'm with the OP. To me the proportions and cleanliness of line of the 12C make for a damn near perfect looking car. The newer models obviously have to differ from the old but to my eyes the styling makes too many sculpture statements for the sake of modernity - maybe they're after a more shouty supercar image now? Or maybe it's my age!
Streetrod said:
A lot of interesting augments going on here.
Personally I feel the 570 is going to be a success because in the flesh it looks wonderful, and in some of the more mature colours looks very classy. Please see the pic attached.
Will a well specked one edge into 650S space? Well yes it will, but I think this is less likely to be a problem as I suspect a large percentage of buyers will be new to the brand and will be attracted by the more practical car and the fact it really looks like a next generation design, especially on the inside where it works much better than the 650S. I would also predict that this car will attract more female buyers for the same reason.
The 650S will continue to attract a small number of buyers because of its performance and the deals on offer until it is replaced.
Personally I am more attracted to the 570 because it is more playful and exploitable. The 650S is almost too good requiring you to track it to get the most out of it. Ultimate pace I feel will became less of a priority as time goes on as customers demand more fun at sane speeds
I look at that and think macca f1. I can't believe how far mclaren have come in such a short time. Personally I feel the 570 is going to be a success because in the flesh it looks wonderful, and in some of the more mature colours looks very classy. Please see the pic attached.
Will a well specked one edge into 650S space? Well yes it will, but I think this is less likely to be a problem as I suspect a large percentage of buyers will be new to the brand and will be attracted by the more practical car and the fact it really looks like a next generation design, especially on the inside where it works much better than the 650S. I would also predict that this car will attract more female buyers for the same reason.
The 650S will continue to attract a small number of buyers because of its performance and the deals on offer until it is replaced.
Personally I am more attracted to the 570 because it is more playful and exploitable. The 650S is almost too good requiring you to track it to get the most out of it. Ultimate pace I feel will became less of a priority as time goes on as customers demand more fun at sane speeds
TP321 said:
to me, this looks:
much better than this:
Actually I would really disagree, however which one looks better is very subjective of course and there is certainly not a wrong answer!much better than this:
However one interesting thing I notice looking at those 2 photos... The 12C looks a bit like a kit car, or at least the product of a micro manufacturer, more like a Lotus type product. Whereas the new model looks like a proper production series super (sports) car from a long established global leader - like Ferrari.
Great progress from the brand, they have really taken product finish to the top level incredibly quickly - from photos at least. I'd like to try one of the new models.
Edited by sealtt on Saturday 31st October 03:44
Streetrod said:
Anyway the proof will be in the pudding. If the 1000+ confirmed orders are to be believed then McLaren have a winner on their hands
Where did this '1000+' confirmed orders come from.....? The same order book that Mclaren claimed after the 650 launch that they were 6 months fully ordered while discounting had already started? isaldiri said:
Streetrod said:
Anyway the proof will be in the pudding. If the 1000+ confirmed orders are to be believed then McLaren have a winner on their hands
Where did this '1000+' confirmed orders come from.....? The same order book that Mclaren claimed after the 650 launch that they were 6 months fully ordered while discounting had already started? An Outsider;
I have been looking........Ferrari, Lambo's,,,,what I have felt compared to McLaren, McLaren lacks the "striking disco tech lines"which to me does not define form & function, or purpose. More of a usable drivers car. Usable meaning for sport drivers, not show-offs.
McLaren to me, is a mechanical marvel without all the drama. The two Italian cars makers have some great & awesome cars, but lack the form to function I appreciate (for the money), Yes I would enjoy a La Ferrari, but at the price/costs-it is nuts, it can't be enjoyed on city/country roads in the same way unless you just don't care about your investment and I have never had too much money.
Here in the US the McLaren is somewhat unknown compared to the Italians, and again for me that is paramount. If I could build a car, it would be a McLaren. I think all their cars are beautiful with a new approach to sport driving, mechanically they are, I feel the finest manufacturer ever. Sitting in all 3 makers, I feel McLaren wants to be driven, not admired by who is looking at it, again the shapes of these new cars (all of them) are just perfect. A Ferrari sound is awesome, and if McLaren thought that sound was part of function, they would have made them sound more like a Ferrari, but they don't and that is why I like McLaren. I think the reason McLaren shapes are evolving, the company is slowly evolving, but they all share a very similar look and that is function. I have not found one yet I don't like
I have been looking........Ferrari, Lambo's,,,,what I have felt compared to McLaren, McLaren lacks the "striking disco tech lines"which to me does not define form & function, or purpose. More of a usable drivers car. Usable meaning for sport drivers, not show-offs.
McLaren to me, is a mechanical marvel without all the drama. The two Italian cars makers have some great & awesome cars, but lack the form to function I appreciate (for the money), Yes I would enjoy a La Ferrari, but at the price/costs-it is nuts, it can't be enjoyed on city/country roads in the same way unless you just don't care about your investment and I have never had too much money.
Here in the US the McLaren is somewhat unknown compared to the Italians, and again for me that is paramount. If I could build a car, it would be a McLaren. I think all their cars are beautiful with a new approach to sport driving, mechanically they are, I feel the finest manufacturer ever. Sitting in all 3 makers, I feel McLaren wants to be driven, not admired by who is looking at it, again the shapes of these new cars (all of them) are just perfect. A Ferrari sound is awesome, and if McLaren thought that sound was part of function, they would have made them sound more like a Ferrari, but they don't and that is why I like McLaren. I think the reason McLaren shapes are evolving, the company is slowly evolving, but they all share a very similar look and that is function. I have not found one yet I don't like
ferdi p said:
I too have spent time with both cars, IMO it's plainly obvious that the 540/570 is the cheaper product...
Not knocking it at all but the interior especially seems '0n a budget'
I could not disagree more. In general the 650S's tend to have either a full alcantara interior or a combination of leather and alcantara. The design is very plain and simple but the quality is very goodNot knocking it at all but the interior especially seems '0n a budget'
The 570S is more complex but has been built to the same standards. I compared it not just to the 650S which was sitting next to it at the time but also to the new R8 which has a great interior and they are on par which each other.
No way does it look or feel budget, and all of the reviews have have said how nice the interior is and feels. So I have to ask on what do you base your comments?
I have decided if i am ever in the position to get a 570S its going to be in this colour:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mclare...57657382171...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mclare...57657382171...
Streetrod said:
ferdi p said:
I too have spent time with both cars, IMO it's plainly obvious that the 540/570 is the cheaper product...
Not knocking it at all but the interior especially seems '0n a budget'
I could not disagree more. In general the 650S's tend to have either a full alcantara interior or a combination of leather and alcantara. The design is very plain and simple but the quality is very goodNot knocking it at all but the interior especially seems '0n a budget'
The 570S is more complex but has been built to the same standards. I compared it not just to the 650S which was sitting next to it at the time but also to the new R8 which has a great interior and they are on par which each other.
No way does it look or feel budget, and all of the reviews have have said how nice the interior is and feels. So I have to ask on what do you base your comments?
Simple really, I sat in both & found the 570 a little 'tinny'
I really don't like the ipad thingy in the dash & I think the 650 feels more bespoke. But hey ho, that's just my opinion! Happy for you to disagree!
Streetrod said:
I have decided if i am ever in the position to get a 570S its going to be in this colour:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mclare...57657382171...
I get a 'page not found' error when I click on that link. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mclare...57657382171...
I think the exterior styling of the 570s is a little to fussy in places for my eyes, as if someone was trying to hard to make it look different whereas the 12c/650S looks pure class.
In regards to the interior I also feel the look at least looks low rent on the 570S. The bulky cheap looking dashboard and suspended IRIS unit look nasty IMHO whereas the slimmer and full centre console on 12C/650S is quality.
I guess its down to personal preference but to get such a fantastic car as the 570S into this price range there would have to been some cost cutting on top of the lack of polycarbonate panels, active aero and hydraulic suspension of the super series
In regards to the interior I also feel the look at least looks low rent on the 570S. The bulky cheap looking dashboard and suspended IRIS unit look nasty IMHO whereas the slimmer and full centre console on 12C/650S is quality.
I guess its down to personal preference but to get such a fantastic car as the 570S into this price range there would have to been some cost cutting on top of the lack of polycarbonate panels, active aero and hydraulic suspension of the super series
I managed to look at quite a few 570S's at the factory, my last visit was when they had built the first press cars so I had a proper look at them, I think it's an absolutely amazing thing they have built for the money to make it compet with 911 etc - although the price quickly becomes outside that bracket if you spec too much - I think they made a mistake allowing that much customisation on the the lower end car - and should instead with stock packs.
In terms of looks I do like it but it does not for me look like a supercar it definitely feels more like a 911 (which to me is not a supercar) the interior is really nice but does remind me of a high end sports car, not a supercar.
I do still wonder if McLaren has the marketing power to make previous 911 owners to move to a McLaren which although more practical than 650/12c etc is still not everyday like a 911, i.e. Stick it in a car park and people won't pay attention, the 570 will get attention but maybe that's a bad thing for some buyers.
In terms of looks I do like it but it does not for me look like a supercar it definitely feels more like a 911 (which to me is not a supercar) the interior is really nice but does remind me of a high end sports car, not a supercar.
I do still wonder if McLaren has the marketing power to make previous 911 owners to move to a McLaren which although more practical than 650/12c etc is still not everyday like a 911, i.e. Stick it in a car park and people won't pay attention, the 570 will get attention but maybe that's a bad thing for some buyers.
RamboLambo, all opinions are valid but your insistent flag waving on behalf of the 650S does start to undermine your position and this is coming from a flag waving McLaren fan. To use words like “cheap” and “nasty” is just way off the mark. Various other commentators have said the car competes from a quality and looks perspective with cars a class above
And Freda P, I also respect your opinion but you too appear to have skin in is particular game, would it be wrong to assume a little bias on your part, I am not having a go by the way, just asking the question.
And one last thing, how do we now class a supercar. The 570S is being marketed as a sports cars but is quicker than a Zonda, an Enzo, and an F50 and as quick as a McLaren F1. As a matter of fact I can’t think our any of the last generation of supercars that is quicker. Do we have to redefine what a supercar is every few years???
And Freda P, I also respect your opinion but you too appear to have skin in is particular game, would it be wrong to assume a little bias on your part, I am not having a go by the way, just asking the question.
And one last thing, how do we now class a supercar. The 570S is being marketed as a sports cars but is quicker than a Zonda, an Enzo, and an F50 and as quick as a McLaren F1. As a matter of fact I can’t think our any of the last generation of supercars that is quicker. Do we have to redefine what a supercar is every few years???
Edited by Streetrod on Monday 2nd November 11:32
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