570s - Reviews/ Videos/ Comparisons.
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Streetrod said:
Ultimate pace I feel will became less of a priority as time goes on as customers demand more fun at sane speeds
I agree but I'm not sure this applies to the 570 or any other McLaren.Although this is the current 'baby' car of the range 570 bhp is absolutely mental. I don't know if it will be any fun to drive at low speeds but you will only have a few seconds of wide open throttle in this before you are into 3 figure speeds.
I'm old enough to remember when top end supercars had around 400bhp. These days that barely seems enough to be able to collect Hugo and Serena from prep school.
I think cars like the new GT4 is probably about spot on for a combination of power and speed and what's useable in the real world. Probably why it's just won ECOTY.
Notwithstanding the above I absolutely love the 570 and would have one in a heartbeat over a 911 Turbo (if I didn't have kids!).
I can’t disagree with you there Davey. But McLaren have made a big play about the 570S being a lot more playful at sane speeds than their previous models. They have also been very open about the fact that the car is not designed to chase lap times plus has much lower grip levels than the 650S. They have also gone with a much narrower rear tire to allow earlier and more controllable slip angles at lower speeds.
Chris Harris commented on his video about how well the ESC systems has been set up to allow this
So I think their heart is in the right place but at the end of the day it is still silly fast car
Chris Harris commented on his video about how well the ESC systems has been set up to allow this
So I think their heart is in the right place but at the end of the day it is still silly fast car
It is quite funny to think that what McLaren did with the 570S is a car to please the press with a more playful character... I guess the nasty bite they took with the 12C at launch made them go this way.
But... Is that really what the customer wants ? Does a customer using the car on a daily basis (which is more the intent of this car) want to have to be worried about having to tame a more playful car with lower levels of grip ? It does not sound very appealing to me. Do you want to take round about sideways ? On destroy your tires in a few miles either on the road or track ?
I get the most pleasure from my 12C due to its immense level of grip and precise handling. On a daily basis it is hugely rewarding (and addictive
).
I need to go and get a test drive of the 570S at some point but it does not really sound attractive.
But... Is that really what the customer wants ? Does a customer using the car on a daily basis (which is more the intent of this car) want to have to be worried about having to tame a more playful car with lower levels of grip ? It does not sound very appealing to me. Do you want to take round about sideways ? On destroy your tires in a few miles either on the road or track ?
I get the most pleasure from my 12C due to its immense level of grip and precise handling. On a daily basis it is hugely rewarding (and addictive
).I need to go and get a test drive of the 570S at some point but it does not really sound attractive.
Streetrod said:
RamboLambo, all opinions are valid but your insistent flag waving on behalf of the 650S does start to undermine your position and this is coming from a flag waving McLaren fan. To use words like “cheap” and “nasty” is just way off the mark. Various other commentators have said the car competes from a quality and looks perspective with cars a class above
And Freda P, I also respect your opinion but you too appear to have skin in is particular game, would it be wrong to assume a little bias on your part, I am not having a go by the way, just asking the question.
And one last thing, how do we now class a supercar. The 570S is being marketed as a sports cars but is quicker than a Zonda, an Enzo, and an F50 and as quick as a McLaren F1. As a matter of fact I can’t think our any of the last generation of supercars that is quicker. Do we have to redefine what a supercar is every few years???
Sold the 12C Spider a few weeks back so no axe to grind at all. Got a 488GTB coming (if Ferrari ever bother making some RHD ones!)And Freda P, I also respect your opinion but you too appear to have skin in is particular game, would it be wrong to assume a little bias on your part, I am not having a go by the way, just asking the question.
And one last thing, how do we now class a supercar. The 570S is being marketed as a sports cars but is quicker than a Zonda, an Enzo, and an F50 and as quick as a McLaren F1. As a matter of fact I can’t think our any of the last generation of supercars that is quicker. Do we have to redefine what a supercar is every few years???
Edited by Streetrod on Monday 2nd November 11:32
Was seriously considering the 570 (nice saving over the 488 too) until I got up close to it, just didn't gel with it at all, not sure why!
I would personally buy a lightly used 458 spider or 650 Spider over a well optioned new 570...
mb1 said:
It is quite funny to think that what McLaren did with the 570S is a car to please the press with a more playful character... I guess the nasty bite they took with the 12C at launch made them go this way.
But... Is that really what the customer wants ? Does a customer using the car on a daily basis (which is more the intent of this car) want to have to be worried about having to tame a more playful car with lower levels of grip ? It does not sound very appealing to me. Do you want to take round about sideways ? On destroy your tires in a few miles either on the road or track ?
I get the most pleasure from my 12C due to its immense level of grip and precise handling. On a daily basis it is hugely rewarding (and addictive).
I need to go and get a test drive of the 570S at some point but it does not really sound attractive.
I hear what you are saying mb1, I don’t think the 570S is going to require full opposite lock every time you need to negotiate your local roundabout. All of the reviews so far, and there have been many, have stated how well the car handles.But... Is that really what the customer wants ? Does a customer using the car on a daily basis (which is more the intent of this car) want to have to be worried about having to tame a more playful car with lower levels of grip ? It does not sound very appealing to me. Do you want to take round about sideways ? On destroy your tires in a few miles either on the road or track ?
I get the most pleasure from my 12C due to its immense level of grip and precise handling. On a daily basis it is hugely rewarding (and addictive
).I need to go and get a test drive of the 570S at some point but it does not really sound attractive.
The problem with many modern supercars is that they have become so capable you are you unable to scratch the surface of their capabilities on the road where 99.9% of us of tend to spend most of our time. This was illustrated very well in the recent EVO car of year test where the Porsche GT3 RS was marked down because it was impossible to get near its capabilities on the road unless you were travelling at insane speeds. The same applies to a number of other recent super cars.
At the end of the day it’s about what you as an owner want out of your car. I love a car that feels nimble and up on its toes where you can decide to steer with either the wheel or the gas pedal. If I want to set a lap time a lot less money will buy you a full on track car that will run rings around all but the most extreme hyper cars on the market at the moment, a little more money will blow those into the weeds as well.
If the reviews are to be believed, and they all do seem to say the same thing, then McLaren have played a blinder here. When the demo cars start arriving I will be doing my best to grab a go
ferdi p said:
Sold the 12C Spider a few weeks back so no axe to grind at all. Got a 488GTB coming (if Ferrari ever bother making some RHD ones!)
Was seriously considering the 570 (nice saving over the 488 too) until I got up close to it, just didn't gel with it at all, not sure why!
I would personally buy a lightly used 458 spider or 650 Spider over a well optioned new 570...
That sounds good, apparently the 488GTB has the best engine in that segment at the momentWas seriously considering the 570 (nice saving over the 488 too) until I got up close to it, just didn't gel with it at all, not sure why!
I would personally buy a lightly used 458 spider or 650 Spider over a well optioned new 570...
mb1 said:
It is quite funny to think that what McLaren did with the 570S is a car to please the press with a more playful character... I guess the nasty bite they took with the 12C at launch made them go this way.
But... Is that really what the customer wants ? Does a customer using the car on a daily basis (which is more the intent of this car) want to have to be worried about having to tame a more playful car with lower levels of grip ? It does not sound very appealing to me. Do you want to take round about sideways ? On destroy your tires in a few miles either on the road or track ?
I get the most pleasure from my 12C due to its immense level of grip and precise handling. On a daily basis it is hugely rewarding (and addictive).
I need to go and get a test drive of the 570S at some point but it does not really sound attractive.
If you look at Shmee 150's test of it below he has a few laps with an instructor going through the various stages of traction / stability control etc and it won't let you take any liabilities with it all switched on. I think it's just more playful and controllable if you switch everything off and have the requisite skills to get the most out of it ala Chris Harris.But... Is that really what the customer wants ? Does a customer using the car on a daily basis (which is more the intent of this car) want to have to be worried about having to tame a more playful car with lower levels of grip ? It does not sound very appealing to me. Do you want to take round about sideways ? On destroy your tires in a few miles either on the road or track ?
I get the most pleasure from my 12C due to its immense level of grip and precise handling. On a daily basis it is hugely rewarding (and addictive
).I need to go and get a test drive of the 570S at some point but it does not really sound attractive.
http://shmee150.com/first-drive-mclaren-570s-shmee...
mb1 said:
It is quite funny to think that what McLaren did with the 570S is a car to please the press with a more playful character... I guess the nasty bite they took with the 12C at launch made them go this way.
But... Is that really what the customer wants ? Does a customer using the car on a daily basis (which is more the intent of this car) want to have to be worried about having to tame a more playful car with lower levels of grip ? It does not sound very appealing to me. Do you want to take round about sideways ? On destroy your tires in a few miles either on the road or track ?
^^ this. Mclaren having hired an ex Autocar journo as head of marketing or sales seems to have taken to heart this whole 'let's listen to the journos' thing by seemingly banging on about 'emotion'/'drifting' etc... when funnily enough most 12c owners I know have been happy enough with the handling dynamics of the car and have little to no interest in intentionally wrecking a set of rear tyres that cost £~200 each. Rather unlike journalists I might add.... pandering to the automotive press seems a pretty stupid game to play IMO.But... Is that really what the customer wants ? Does a customer using the car on a daily basis (which is more the intent of this car) want to have to be worried about having to tame a more playful car with lower levels of grip ? It does not sound very appealing to me. Do you want to take round about sideways ? On destroy your tires in a few miles either on the road or track ?
NickOrangeCars said:
Just out of interest why does the 570 have less traction? Is it suspension geometry or have they put smaller tyres on? If so what are they?
225/35/19 front, 285/35/20 rearthat's compared to the 12c/650 at 235/35/19 front and 305/30/20 rear. Tyre sizes on the 570 look to me intentionally compromised to keep the 650 ahead in performance more than anything else. Especially as the 12c/650 IMO really badly needs wider front tyres on track.
Streetrod said:
I hear what you are saying mb1, I don’t think the 570S is going to require full opposite lock every time you need to negotiate your local roundabout. All of the reviews so far, and there have been many, have stated how well the car handles.
The problem with many modern supercars is that they have become so capable you are you unable to scratch the surface of their capabilities on the road where 99.9% of us of tend to spend most of our time. This was illustrated very well in the recent EVO car of year test where the Porsche GT3 RS was marked down because it was impossible to get near its capabilities on the road unless you were travelling at insane speeds. The same applies to a number of other recent super cars.
At the end of the day it’s about what you as an owner want out of your car. I love a car that feels nimble and up on its toes where you can decide to steer with either the wheel or the gas pedal. If I want to set a lap time a lot less money will buy you a full on track car that will run rings around all but the most extreme hyper cars on the market at the moment, a little more money will blow those into the weeds as well.
If the reviews are to be believed, and they all do seem to say the same thing, then McLaren have played a blinder here. When the demo cars start arriving I will be doing my best to grab a go
I take your point, but with 600 bhp (or close to it with the 570), it does not take that much to break traction on unperfected oily roads and I, for one, prefer to have all the grip I can get when I have been a little bit optimistic !The problem with many modern supercars is that they have become so capable you are you unable to scratch the surface of their capabilities on the road where 99.9% of us of tend to spend most of our time. This was illustrated very well in the recent EVO car of year test where the Porsche GT3 RS was marked down because it was impossible to get near its capabilities on the road unless you were travelling at insane speeds. The same applies to a number of other recent super cars.
At the end of the day it’s about what you as an owner want out of your car. I love a car that feels nimble and up on its toes where you can decide to steer with either the wheel or the gas pedal. If I want to set a lap time a lot less money will buy you a full on track car that will run rings around all but the most extreme hyper cars on the market at the moment, a little more money will blow those into the weeds as well.
If the reviews are to be believed, and they all do seem to say the same thing, then McLaren have played a blinder here. When the demo cars start arriving I will be doing my best to grab a go
Streetrod said:
Purple 
Maybe nice to look at if someone else owns it but after a few weeks I reckon you would grow tired of itPersonally as its a very busy car design lines wise I think the more subtle colours suit it better. The silver/grey looks great whereas IMHO the orange just looks too much
Streetrod said:
Enjoyed those.....Thanks for posting. Some great detail shots 
I like the colour also.......
RamboLambo said:
Purple Maybe nice to look at if someone else owns it but after a few weeks I reckon you would grow tired of it
Personally as its a very busy car design lines wise I think the more subtle colours suit it better. The silver/grey looks great whereas IMHO the orange just looks too much
Yeah, definitely a colour to leave for the knightsbridge lot to showcase I think! Maybe nice to look at if someone else owns it but after a few weeks I reckon you would grow tired of itPersonally as its a very busy car design lines wise I think the more subtle colours suit it better. The silver/grey looks great whereas IMHO the orange just looks too much
The car looks fantastic in subtle colours, the design is flash enough on it's own - no need to go OTT in my opinion - though can understand someone choosing to hehe.
sealtt said:
Yeah, definitely a colour to leave for the knightsbridge lot to showcase I think!
The car looks fantastic in subtle colours, the design is flash enough on it's own - no need to go OTT in my opinion - though can understand someone choosing to hehe.
I notice that they don't have volcano red as an option The car looks fantastic in subtle colours, the design is flash enough on it's own - no need to go OTT in my opinion - though can understand someone choosing to hehe.
What do you think to buying a car and having it wrapped if you want to change colour? EG buying in a subtle colour but having it wrapped in something a little different (but not distasteful).
I personally love the orange, but would probably end up with blue or grey If I had an order - would like to see pearlescent white physical car though.
mattf93 said:
I notice that they don't have volcano red as an option
What do you think to buying a car and having it wrapped if you want to change colour? EG buying in a subtle colour but having it wrapped in something a little different (but not distasteful).
Shmee's original 12c was black I think but he had it wrapped blue. No idea what it looked like up close but in pics it looked like a really good job and kept the original paint in really good nick for resale.What do you think to buying a car and having it wrapped if you want to change colour? EG buying in a subtle colour but having it wrapped in something a little different (but not distasteful).
Not cheap for a decent job though.
mattf93 said:
sealtt said:
Yeah, definitely a colour to leave for the knightsbridge lot to showcase I think!
The car looks fantastic in subtle colours, the design is flash enough on it's own - no need to go OTT in my opinion - though can understand someone choosing to hehe.
I notice that they don't have volcano red as an option The car looks fantastic in subtle colours, the design is flash enough on it's own - no need to go OTT in my opinion - though can understand someone choosing to hehe.
What do you think to buying a car and having it wrapped if you want to change colour? EG buying in a subtle colour but having it wrapped in something a little different (but not distasteful).
I personally love the orange, but would probably end up with blue or grey If I had an order - would like to see pearlescent white physical car though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4txnMNxzCjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRQvSWCqtb8
sealtt said:
RamboLambo said:
Purple
Maybe nice to look at if someone else owns it but after a few weeks I reckon you would grow tired of itPersonally as its a very busy car design lines wise I think the more subtle colours suit it better. The silver/grey looks great whereas IMHO the orange just looks too much
The car looks fantastic in subtle colours, the design is flash enough on it's own - no need to go OTT in my opinion - though can understand someone choosing to hehe.
Streetrod said:
That would definitely be my choice as well. Officially it's 'Mauvine Blue' but all photos appear purple and apparently that's the case if you see it with your own eyes as well. I personally wouldn't want to drive a car like that every day, so as a fun car for a blast or a driving holiday, in that colour it would feel more special for me.Gassing Station | McLaren | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff