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I would only add that the 12C prices are holding and still look good value compared to the "opposition".
Had mine for 6 months now and still learning more about it. As bizarre as it sounds for a supercar, I drove it in normal mode in auto, on a motorway cruise and it really did live up to it's reviews as a luxobarge like car. Unnoticeable gear changes, wafting along. Quite phenomenal really. Then when you're ready to play/and legal, you can flick a switch, push a button and it will give you all the emotion and speed I need.
The F1 comment is interesting, almost every trip elicits a question asking is it an F1.
Had mine for 6 months now and still learning more about it. As bizarre as it sounds for a supercar, I drove it in normal mode in auto, on a motorway cruise and it really did live up to it's reviews as a luxobarge like car. Unnoticeable gear changes, wafting along. Quite phenomenal really. Then when you're ready to play/and legal, you can flick a switch, push a button and it will give you all the emotion and speed I need.
The F1 comment is interesting, almost every trip elicits a question asking is it an F1.
barchetta_boy said:
996 GT3 mk1 vs mk2. Everyone knows the mk2 is the better steer, more power, noticeably better brakes. But the mk1 is the one everyone wants.
Should have thought of that one too - I would love an mk1 but have little interest in owning the mk2 - completely irrational 
Looks are in the eye of the beholder.
Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
RamboLambo said:
Looks are in the eye of the beholder.
Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
Thought the same when the initial photos for the 570S were released. Suddenly the 650S looks dated and an ugly duckling.Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
It's not that long until the 650S replacement (forget the code name now) comes out isn't it? Should restore the balance of the top spec cars being the looker.
RamboLambo said:
Looks are in the eye of the beholder.
Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
I thought the same when I was looking, I thought the 650S looked contrived and over designed so I saved some money and went for the better looking, classier 12C. What a great deal, the better looking car is actually cheaper :-) But yes it is subjective and for me the best looking McL right now (bar the 12C as its no longer made) is the 570GT. If i change the 12C it would not be for a 650S but for a 570GT, or hopefully a GTS if they make it?Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
The Surveyor said:
So why go for the spider? If you are looking to upgrade from a 991 which I'm assuming is a coupe then why not focus on getting the right spec 12c/650s hard-top and don't get dragged into a buying battle for one of the rarer spiders?
There are more spiders than coupes out thereSo the spider ought to be easier to find in required spec and buy
Drove 12c spider and 650s Spider, paid more for the 650s and made my choice. Was a no brainer for me, the car was much more cohesive as a drive and I much preferred the looks as I really don't like the lights of the 12c.
I'm sure others think the complete opposite.
Hmmmm must be a moral there somewhere.......
I'm sure others think the complete opposite.
Hmmmm must be a moral there somewhere.......
Boshly said:
Drove 12c spider and 650s Spider, paid more for the 650s and made my choice. Was a no brainer for me, the car was much more cohesive as a drive and I much preferred the looks as I really don't like the lights of the 12c.
I'm sure others think the complete opposite.
Hmmmm must be a moral there somewhere.......
Well that's at least 2 of us who made the same conclusions and decision. There is no denying its a better car and those who cant see that are delusional or just don't want to admit it IMHO. I'm sure others think the complete opposite.
Hmmmm must be a moral there somewhere.......
The looks are subjective but just like you I think the front end really let the 12c down by being far too bland but if it wasn't for the additional cooling required I would of liked the dual side vanes of 12C to have been carried over.
Don't get me wrong 12C is a fantastic car but 650S takes all the good bits and makes them greater particularly with reagards to the sound and feel where it comes alive and feels far more exciting
RamboLambo said:
Well that's at least 2 of us who made the same conclusions and decision. There is no denying its a better car and those who cant see that are delusional or just don't want to admit it IMHO.
The looks are subjective but just like you I think the front end really let the 12c down by being far too bland but if it wasn't for the additional cooling required I would of liked the dual side vanes of 12C to have been carried over.
Don't get me wrong 12C is a fantastic car but 650S takes all the good bits and makes them greater particularly with reagards to the sound and feel where it comes alive and feels far more exciting
I don't think I've seen anyone say the 12c is the better car? It's not. Obviously.The looks are subjective but just like you I think the front end really let the 12c down by being far too bland but if it wasn't for the additional cooling required I would of liked the dual side vanes of 12C to have been carried over.
Don't get me wrong 12C is a fantastic car but 650S takes all the good bits and makes them greater particularly with reagards to the sound and feel where it comes alive and feels far more exciting
But, there seems to be a large number of people who much prefer the 12c's aesthetics, me included.
To me, the 650s is like the GTR, I really want to like it, but I just can't. The 650s front looks like a frog to me.
Yes, on a technical spec sheet, the 650s is of course the "better" car. But that doesn't mean that with the passage of time, that that will always be reflected in the desireablity of the two cars.......
Edited by Sarnie on Saturday 28th May 22:20
Sarnie said:
I don't think I've seen anyone say the 12c is the better car? It's not. Obviously.
But, there seems to be a large number of people who much prefer the 12c's aesthetics, me included.
To me, the 650s is like the GTR, I really want to like it, but I just can't. The 650s front looks like a frog to me.
Yes, on technical spec sheet, the 650s is of course the "better" car. But that doesn't mean that with the passage of time, that that will always be reflected in the desireablity of the two cars.......
Who knows but time will tell.But, there seems to be a large number of people who much prefer the 12c's aesthetics, me included.
To me, the 650s is like the GTR, I really want to like it, but I just can't. The 650s front looks like a frog to me.
Yes, on technical spec sheet, the 650s is of course the "better" car. But that doesn't mean that with the passage of time, that that will always be reflected in the desireablity of the two cars.......
Its a beautiful swan not a frog
Sarnie said:
RamboLambo said:
Well that's at least 2 of us who made the same conclusions and decision. There is no denying its a better car and those who cant see that are delusional or just don't want to admit it IMHO.
The looks are subjective but just like you I think the front end really let the 12c down by being far too bland but if it wasn't for the additional cooling required I would of liked the dual side vanes of 12C to have been carried over.
Don't get me wrong 12C is a fantastic car but 650S takes all the good bits and makes them greater particularly with reagards to the sound and feel where it comes alive and feels far more exciting
I don't think I've seen anyone say the 12c is the better car? It's not. Obviously.The looks are subjective but just like you I think the front end really let the 12c down by being far too bland but if it wasn't for the additional cooling required I would of liked the dual side vanes of 12C to have been carried over.
Don't get me wrong 12C is a fantastic car but 650S takes all the good bits and makes them greater particularly with reagards to the sound and feel where it comes alive and feels far more exciting
But, there seems to be a large number of people who much prefer the 12c's aesthetics, me included.
To me, the 650s is like the GTR, I really want to like it, but I just can't. The 650s front looks like a frog to me.
Yes, on a technical spec sheet, the 650s is of course the "better" car. But that doesn't mean that with the passage of time, that that will always be reflected in the desireablity of the two cars.......
Edited by Sarnie on Saturday 28th May 22:20
RamboLambo said:
Looks are in the eye of the beholder.
Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
The 650 looked good for about 4 or 5 days.Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
The 12c on the other hand has aged incredibly well.
Balanced, tasteful, elegant.
RamboLambo said:
Looks are in the eye of the beholder.
Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
Rambo seems like you have forgotten about the McLaren F1, Konigseggs (all of them), Porsche 918 & Carrera GT, Ford GT & Saleen. Are they all not super cars because they have a clean and enduring design to their bumper, headlamps & bonnet that will stand the test of time? I think the 650s is an amazing car but to me it looks like a 12C thats trying too hard. As you say it is subjective and I agree with you there but I can't agree that the 12C is un-supercar looking.Very subjective but one of the reasons I didn't buy a 12c was the front end lights and bumper.
Thought they were very bland and UN supercar looking.
As soon as I saw the P1 style swan lights on 650S I went wow and thought 12c was an ugly duckling in comparison.
Edited by Bispal on Thursday 14th July 09:28
Thought the 12c was stunning and park it up any where it will draw a lot of attention, park it next to the 650s and that will just get more attention. Looks played a big part in my purchase and in the showroom there was plenty of exotic machinery but the 650s just drew me away from anything else.
I just see the lights as a McLaren logo design and think it works really well especially with the front splitter and gives a more aggressive look
Always hankered after an Audi R8, there was a brand new V10 sport + next to the 650s along with a 12c in the same showroom. Couldn't believe how plain the R8 was but the 12c whilst quietly sublime just didn't have the presence of the 650s. Maybe it was the colour but mostly how it looks. Anyway, you make your choice and pay the money. Don't care too much about re sale I expect to loose thousands having this car but the journey I have with it is worth it at the moment.
I just see the lights as a McLaren logo design and think it works really well especially with the front splitter and gives a more aggressive look
Always hankered after an Audi R8, there was a brand new V10 sport + next to the 650s along with a 12c in the same showroom. Couldn't believe how plain the R8 was but the 12c whilst quietly sublime just didn't have the presence of the 650s. Maybe it was the colour but mostly how it looks. Anyway, you make your choice and pay the money. Don't care too much about re sale I expect to loose thousands having this car but the journey I have with it is worth it at the moment.
mikey k said:
Volcano Red makes a BIG difference to the look of a 650 IMHO
(but then I'm biased
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I cant disagree but I would still take ANY colour 650S spider over a volcano red 12C based on looks alone.(but then I'm biased
)I even prefer the P1 inspired front headlights and front end more so than the 570S. They seem longer/wider and sleeker.
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