12c trade bids

[simonr100]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

simonr100 said:

I have just collected my 12C spider and I can't believe how cheap these are for what you get!
Absolutely amazing! Surely prices can only go up?

Pic please. Liven up this thread a bit!

Here you go, just a quick photo - I was too busy enjoying the car this weekend!

[Rocksteadyeddie]

simonr100 said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

simonr100 said:

I have just collected my 12C spider and I can't believe how cheap these are for what you get!
Absolutely amazing! Surely prices can only go up?

Pic please. Liven up this thread a bit!

Here you go, just a quick photo - I was too busy enjoying the car this weekend!

Stunning. Enjoy.

[simonr100]

I had a drink yesterday and bumped into a 650.

[TISPKJ]

Boshly said:

TISPKJ said:

Boshly said:

Interesting that it appears a few 12c owners are now upgrading to 650s. There must be at least 3 on the Mac owners FB group with a few more tempted.

It's great for the marque, gets more new people into the 12c's as well.

I think in part this is due to prices on the 650 finally finding a level as the 12c did a year or so back, I don't see either model moving too much from these levels with regard to change costs.
I could with a bit of luck both ways change up to a 650 for 30k now whereas that was more like 50k a year ago.

edited to say Im talking coupe specifically, but suspect spider same gap.

Edited by TISPKJ on Friday 15th July 09:16

I'm sure you're right in principle and that has a lot to do with it.

Though I'm not sure you're right on 650 coupe values?? Especially not if you're talking trade 12c bid vs retail 650? Surely that's now £50k?

One has to be a bit creative Andy I agree, but just looking a well specked low mile12c at McLaren still seems to be 125k, and a 650 at bols was offered a bit less than 158k privately, as I say bit of luck both ways but ......

[Boshly]

Ferruccio said:

Boshly said:

garyhun said:

breadvan said:

RamboLambo said:

Why is everyone buying McLarens these days ?!

For every buyer there's a seller, you know that, right?

Not in his world

Ermmm..... only if you consider the manufacturer making new models also a seller? And whilst I know they are literally a seller you know that's not what you/he meant.

In the secondhand market.
Which is what was being talked about earlier.

It's a truism that two views make a market......

Ok but if a seller is buying another mclaren - and many of the nigh on 1000 LT buyers would already have been mclaren owners - the the insinuation is invalid. It's not the fact the for every buyer there's a seller I'm arguing against, it's the premise that there must be as many people getting out of them as there are getting in that doesn't pass muster as thee are many getting I to new cars.

We can argue the semantics all day, fact is that RamboLambo, is right, the ownership base keeps growing and current owners generally seem to be upgrading with new brand owners coming in to supplement them.

[WCZ]

they are good value for money in the context of supercars and are british

[RamboLambo]

TISPKJ said:

One has to be a bit creative Andy I agree, but just looking a well specked low mile12c at McLaren still seems to be 125k, and a 650 at bols was offered a bit less than 158k privately, as I say bit of luck both ways but ......

IF it was possible it would be the best £30k you have ever spent IMHO.

I must admit I went to buy a beautiful 18 mth old used 12C spider and ended up blowing my budget by a further £80k to buy a new 650S spider

[Bispal]

RamboLambo said:

IF it was possible it would be the best £30k you have ever spent IMHO.

I must admit I went to buy a beautiful 18 mth old used 12C spider and ended up blowing my budget by a further £80k to buy a new 650S spider

Rambo as good as a 650S is £80k relates to 80 x MX5's or 8 Elise's or a GT4. In other words quite a premium for most people.....

[TISPKJ]

Bispal said:

RamboLambo said:

IF it was possible it would be the best £30k you have ever spent IMHO.

I must admit I went to buy a beautiful 18 mth old used 12C spider and ended up blowing my budget by a further £80k to buy a new 650S spider

Rambo as good as a 650S is £80k relates to 80 x MX5's or 8 Elise's or a GT4. In other words quite a premium for most people.....

30k I could maybe make a case for, 50k no too much, 80k is nearly another 12c

[RamboLambo]

Bispal said:

Rambo as good as a 650S is £80k relates to 80 x MX5's or 8 Elise's or a GT4. In other words quite a premium for most people.....

Yeah I agree and the missus said I was mad but the point I was trying to make is £30k would be an absolute no brainer, the additional spec 12c to 650S is £20k alone and obviously newer.
I expect £25k to always be the delta between the 2 models like for like

Also remember my £80k extra was for a brand new car,0k miles, 0 owners, 3 yr warranty versus an 18 month used with 5k miles.

[Wilmslowboy]

TISPKJ said:

30k I could maybe make a case for, 50k no too much, 80k is nearly another 12c

I plan to swap in the next couple of months (if not sooner)...£30k would be palatable for 1 year newer car with extra bits...

[SlartiF430]

My cost to change was 56k. Probably quite a lot but for that price I did get ccb, lots of MSO and a newer car. It's not a no brainer amount of money - i could get a nice Aston for that! But it was what I wanted and it was what I had to pay in the end.

[SlartiF430]

Oh. And went from coupe to spyder - that was important to me.

[RamboLambo]

SlartiF430 said:

Oh. And went from coupe to spyder - that was important to me.

That's a minimum of £40k in specification upgrade alone and a year newer, year extra warranty etc.... for just £56k.
Looking at the classifieds the typical Retail to Retail price delta seems £120k to £150k so £30k.
Factor in a trade bid / p/x deal and that's more like £45k to change.

I think £30k to change up is wishful thinking personally

[simonr100]

When I bought 2 weeks ago it was a choice between a VR 2014 12C spider than had done 6k miles for £150k or a 2016 650 spider also in VR for £178k that had done 2k miles. In the end I went for the 12c because I preferred the looks and couldn't justify the extra £28k even though you get more for your money.

[anonymous-user]

As the saying goes, everyone has a maximum budget they can go to and the fabulous thing is that there is a McLaren for 'most' budgets (within reason).

[RamboLambo]

simonr100 said:

When I bought 2 weeks ago it was a choice between a VR 2014 12C spider than had done 6k miles for £150k or a 2016 650 spider also in VR for £178k that had done 2k miles. In the end I went for the 12c because I preferred the looks and couldn't justify the extra £28k even though you get more for your money.

Blimey, I find that very surprising. That's the used car market for you though. One car stood in on the high side and the other looking too cheap
I can only assume the 12C is fully loaded and the 650S is a low spec car for that sort of difference.

I know everyone has a budget but for £28k personally I would of definitely extended myself or financed the difference as I think you would get most of it, if not all of it back a couple years down the line.

I hope 12C prices continue to rise as they will always underpin 650S prices. I think some of the harsh/unfair press criticism of early MP4 12C and comments like the 650S is the car the 12C should of always have been will ensure that

[Bispal]

RamboLambo said:

simonr100 said:

When I bought 2 weeks ago it was a choice between a VR 2014 12C spider than had done 6k miles for £150k or a 2016 650 spider also in VR for £178k that had done 2k miles. In the end I went for the 12c because I preferred the looks and couldn't justify the extra £28k even though you get more for your money.

Blimey, I find that very surprising. That's the used car market for you though. One car stood in on the high side and the other looking too cheap
I can only assume the 12C is fully loaded and the 650S is a low spec car for that sort of difference.

I know everyone has a budget but for £28k personally I would of definitely extended myself or financed the difference as I think you would get most of it, if not all of it back a couple years down the line.

I hope 12C prices continue to rise as they will always underpin 650S prices. I think some of the harsh/unfair press criticism of early MP4 12C and comments like the 650S is the car the 12C should of always have been will ensure that

Each to their own. All things equal and with zero price differential I would take the 12C over the 650s just for the looks, even at the same price, and for some people that's just how it is. I would also take a 996 911 over a 997, S1 elise over S2, NA MX5 over NB, Mk1 Golf GTi over Mk2, E30 over an E36. I could go on but that's just my preference, the first cars are usually purest to the designers concept and later revisions are there to please the marketing department. Not that I don't like the 650s, I do, I just prefer the 12C for its looks.

Long term desirability, in almost all cases, favours the initial concept and the purest of the line being the first iteration. In many cases though it takes a decade (or two) for most people to realise.

Edited by Bispal on Thursday 21st July 17:18

[RamboLambo]

Bispal said:

Each to their own. All things equal and with zero price differential I would take the 12C over the 650s just for the looks, even at the same price, and for some people that's just how it is. I would also take a 996 911 over a 997, S1 elise over S2, NA MX5 over NB, Mk1 Golf GTi over Mk2, E30 over an E36. I could go on but that's just my preference, the first cars are usually purest to the designers concept and later revisions are there to please the marketing department. Not that I don't like the 650s, I do, I just prefer the 12C for its looks.

Long term desirability, in almost all cases, favours the initial concept and the purest of the line being the first iteration. In many cases though it takes a decade (or two) for most people to realise.

Edited by Bispal on Thursday 21st July 17:18

As you say each to their own.

In contrast to yourself I realised several years ago that I had a preference with 2nd generation Ferrari's. As a boy I dreamt of a 348 but when I could afford my 1st supercar I actually bought my F355 GTS ( manual & Capristo ).
I still love it to bits and vow to never part company with it.
I guess for that reason I never warmed to the 360 which was a stark change of styling.
The next Ferrari I bought was a F430 F1 spider and even though I've sold the car I still prefer it over the 360 today.
I must admit I did like the 458 from day 1 but was waiting for the next "F" car - I guess that's the 488 now but its not what I call a "F" car so I may wait to see what the next Ferrari is.

It was the same with 12C versus 650S. As soon as I saw the 1st photo with the P1 style lights I immediately went wow as I always thought the 12C headlights and front bumper were a little too bland.

Whilst 1st generation cars may be more pure personally I think the 2nd generation/evolution takes the original concept and improves upon it making a better overall car even if its not the original.

Agree with you on an E30 versus an E36 but then again I had an E46 and E90.
Rightly or wrongly I just think the initial press comments still stick with the MP4 12C today but maybe in 20 years time all that will be forgotten and it will be recognised for what it was and ahead of its time

[Bispal]

RamboLambo said:

As you say each to their own.

In contrast to yourself I realised several years ago that I had a preference with 2nd generation Ferrari's. As a boy I dreamt of a 348 but when I could afford my 1st supercar I actually bought my F355 GTS ( manual & Capristo ).
I still love it to bits and vow to never part company with it.
I guess for that reason I never warmed to the 360 which was a stark change of styling.
The next Ferrari I bought was a F430 F1 spider and even though I've sold the car I still prefer it over the 360 today.
I must admit I did like the 458 from day 1 but was waiting for the next "F" car - I guess that's the 488 now but its not what I call a "F" car so I may wait to see what the next Ferrari is.

It was the same with 12C versus 650S. As soon as I saw the 1st photo with the P1 style lights I immediately went wow as I always thought the 12C headlights and front bumper were a little too bland.

Whilst 1st generation cars may be more pure personally I think the 2nd generation/evolution takes the original concept and improves upon it making a better overall car even if its not the original.

Agree with you on an E30 versus an E36 but then again I had an E46 and E90.
Rightly or wrongly I just think the initial press comments still stick with the MP4 12C today but maybe in 20 years time all that will be forgotten and it will be recognised for what it was and ahead of its time

Its great we all like different things, variety is the spice of life :-)