P14 mule in Autocar
Discussion
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-gene...
Tub photo in Autocar 'Monocage II' suggest lower front sill & bigger doors
Tub photo in Autocar 'Monocage II' suggest lower front sill & bigger doors
LukeyLikey said:
How they do the spider will be interesting.
Looking closely at that tub photoI reckon it would be pretty easy to just miss out the T bar when they lay up the CF.I'd be certain McL have a "cunning plan" as the USP of the tub being so stiff meant 80% of 650's were spiders.
993AL said:
Sprint Champ said:
Looks very good and should make for a really interesting car. I guess most interesting is what level are they going to price it ??
It's replacing the 650S, so I think it'll be 650S money. No idea what that actually means.
All will be revealed in a couple of months!
RamboLambo said:
Decent spec one will cost you circa £250k is what I'm told including the No doubt obligatory £40k of options.
Early adoptors will be paying Full list so whilst marginally more expensive than 650S on paper the reality is circa
£90k or 55% more than a nearly new coupe.
You're saying the brand new, next generation, car is going to be 55% more expensive than buying a used version of the previous generation. Even if that's true people who want the fresh new car will buy the fresh new car. People who want to get a great deal on an awesome slightly-used prior generation (and still amazing) car will do that. There will be plenty enough customers for the new car. Early adoptors will be paying Full list so whilst marginally more expensive than 650S on paper the reality is circa
£90k or 55% more than a nearly new coupe.
But I think the point people were trying to make is that the MSRP of the P14 will be similar to that of its predecessor.
I suspect that P14 pricing will hold up a lot longer than 12C/650S pricing did and demand will be extremely high for P14 bringing a lot of new customers into the McLaren fold, like 570 has, especially because Ferrari and Lamborghini are mid-cycle with uncompetitive cars. The 12C didn't get the reviews it deserved and that sentiment carried over to 650S because it was a minor upgrade that didn't differentiate enough stylistically. It wasn't until 675LT and 570S that the press gave McLaren Automotive the kind of rave reviews it deserved for the 12C/650S. With P14 having a completely new look, a new tub, and upgraded feature-set, it will get fresh slate reviews like the 570S and 570GT have gotten and I, for one, am confident it will do extremely well like those cars have. Plus, just based on the way McLaren has been improving their cars over time, it will be one hell of a great driving car. So I predict the line-up for P14 is going to hold it's price beyond just the early adopters. I think it will be McLaren turning point. They just need more dealers so they can reach more markets - especially in the USA where there are so many more markets than they're currently serving.
MarkNC said:
You're saying the brand new, next generation, car is going to be 55% more expensive than buying a used version of the previous generation. Even if that's true people who want the fresh new car will buy the fresh new car. People who want to get a great deal on an awesome slightly-used prior generation (and still amazing) car will do that. There will be plenty enough customers for the new car.
But I think the point people were trying to make is that the MSRP of the P14 will be similar to that of its predecessor.
I suspect that P14 pricing will hold up a lot longer than 12C/650S pricing did and demand will be extremely high for P14 bringing a lot of new customers into the McLaren fold, like 570 has, especially because Ferrari and Lamborghini are mid-cycle with uncompetitive cars. The 12C didn't get the reviews it deserved and that sentiment carried over to 650S because it was a minor upgrade that didn't differentiate enough stylistically. It wasn't until 675LT and 570S that the press gave McLaren Automotive the kind of rave reviews it deserved for the 12C/650S. With P14 having a completely new look, a new tub, and upgraded feature-set, it will get fresh slate reviews like the 570S and 570GT have gotten and I, for one, am confident it will do extremely well like those cars have. Plus, just based on the way McLaren has been improving their cars over time, it will be one hell of a great driving car. So I predict the line-up for P14 is going to hold it's price beyond just the early adopters. I think it will be McLaren turning point. They just need more dealers so they can reach more markets - especially in the USA where there are so many more markets than they're currently serving.
Yeah I agree totally with above. P14 is going to be epic, no question and its going to bring lots of new conquest customers to the brand for sure.But I think the point people were trying to make is that the MSRP of the P14 will be similar to that of its predecessor.
I suspect that P14 pricing will hold up a lot longer than 12C/650S pricing did and demand will be extremely high for P14 bringing a lot of new customers into the McLaren fold, like 570 has, especially because Ferrari and Lamborghini are mid-cycle with uncompetitive cars. The 12C didn't get the reviews it deserved and that sentiment carried over to 650S because it was a minor upgrade that didn't differentiate enough stylistically. It wasn't until 675LT and 570S that the press gave McLaren Automotive the kind of rave reviews it deserved for the 12C/650S. With P14 having a completely new look, a new tub, and upgraded feature-set, it will get fresh slate reviews like the 570S and 570GT have gotten and I, for one, am confident it will do extremely well like those cars have. Plus, just based on the way McLaren has been improving their cars over time, it will be one hell of a great driving car. So I predict the line-up for P14 is going to hold it's price beyond just the early adopters. I think it will be McLaren turning point. They just need more dealers so they can reach more markets - especially in the USA where there are so many more markets than they're currently serving.
My only slight doubt thus far is the styling as the mule pictures are not exactly flattering but then again seldom are.
I would more likely want a spider and or a LT version of P14 or 570S so I'm just holding fire on deposits etc.. at this point of time.
I also want to see how much 458 Speciale's drop before I buy another car as it will be additional and not substitutional for the 650S Spider and needs to compliment it
I agree that P14 should be a better experience for owners in terms of depreciation, but for different reasons. I think P14 'may' experience an uptick in demand because it will be good. BUT, the enthusiasm surrounding original 12C (being the first mass-produced Mac) is gone, so on a net basis, demand is quite hard to predict.
The really big news is that P14 is being launched alongside 540/570 line, which still has two key variants left in it - spider and LT. This means that P14 doesn't have to carry the full weight of fixed costs like the 12C/650 did. If they overproduce it that is a stupid/cynical move that seems to now be unnecessary. In other words, they should have it within their power to begin the process of matching supply with demand and they should do everything they can to use that power. But will they?
The really big news is that P14 is being launched alongside 540/570 line, which still has two key variants left in it - spider and LT. This means that P14 doesn't have to carry the full weight of fixed costs like the 12C/650 did. If they overproduce it that is a stupid/cynical move that seems to now be unnecessary. In other words, they should have it within their power to begin the process of matching supply with demand and they should do everything they can to use that power. But will they?
mikey k said:
It's just occurred to me McLaren will have had no spider available for over 6 months at Geneva and there are no noises about 570 spider yet. Missed a trick there considering the USP of the CF tub resulted in 80% of 650s are spiders 
It would not surprise me to see a 570 Spider at Geneva. Then again I'm not sure how strong sales of 540/570/GT are and whether they feel they need the spider yetRamboLambo said:
570S spider will be unveiled at Geneva but with orders for 540/570S coupe strong I'm not sure whether you will even see a customer spider before 2018
Although if McLaren start to see lost orders to competitors with open cars they'll be a little more keen 
For all we know that may already be happening even if Coupe sales are strong. Difficult balancing act.
garyhun said:
Although if McLaren start to see lost orders to competitors with open cars they'll be a little more keen
For all we know that may already be happening even if Coupe sales are strong. Difficult balancing act.
What competitors ?For all we know that may already be happening even if Coupe sales are strong. Difficult balancing act.
You cant get a 488 spider for 2 years. Not sure about lead time for Huracan spyder but I guess its at least 9 months. As such you would be better off with an early 570S spider
Anyone buying a non carbon tubbed convertible with this sort of power is mad. Despite being stiffened I found the 488 spider to have even more scuttle shake than the 458 due to the increased power and torque. Without a carbon tub these cars are no longer a drivers car but just a hairdressers posing machine
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