540C/570S Buying Advice

540C/570S Buying Advice

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FrankieV12VS

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757 posts

122 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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koorby said:
If you need to haggle when buying these cars then you're not in the market for them really.

Edited by koorby on Friday 27th January 14:31
I'm sorry but that's just a ccensoredksocket statement. Your car sounds fabulous though thumbup

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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If you don't ask you don't get but it does seem a bit rude on a McLaren.

You won't believe the hassle I'm having trying to get a 2% discount on a new build house. You would of thought I had try to chip them £200,000.
Unbelievable and I'm about to walk out of principal

Targarama

14,635 posts

283 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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RamboLambo said:
If you don't ask you don't get but it does seem a bit rude on a McLaren.

You won't believe the hassle I'm having trying to get a 2% discount on a new build house. You would of thought I had try to chip them £200,000.
Unbelievable and I'm about to walk out of principal
This is because the developer doesnt want the discounted price appearing on the land registry records in a few months time, thus showing their hand to future buyers on the same development. They will give you other freebies instead though.

FrankieV12VS

Original Poster:

757 posts

122 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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RamboLambo said:
If you don't ask you don't get but it does seem a bit rude on a McLaren.
No it isn't. I know for a fact a new buyer managed to get a 20% plus discount on a brand new 650s. I was curious to see if any 540/570 owners had experience of any small discounts on their cars. I have had discounts from AM, Bentley and Ferrari. I don't see McLaren being that high up the pecking order that discounts don't apply.

Anyway the discounting is my least priority... can we move on? It's the everyday use from owners that I'd like to know about. Ta

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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FrankieV12VS said:
No it isn't. I know for a fact a new buyer managed to get a 20% plus discount on a brand new 650s. I was curious to see if any 540/570 owners had experience of any small discounts on their cars. I have had discounts from AM, Bentley and Ferrari. I don't see McLaren being that high up the pecking order that discounts don't apply.

Anyway the discounting is my least priority... can we move on? It's the everyday use from owners that I'd like to know about. Ta
Well that blew the dealers total 15% margin out the water then.
They must of had it in stock for 12 months and desperate to move it on if he did indeed get anything like that off.
You will always get an odd unit moved on just a case being in the right place at the right time.
I knew someone that won the lottery and he only had 6 different numbers to me.

Rest assured you won't get a discount off a 540C

CarsandLeeds

34 posts

89 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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koorby said:
I've just realised how to get an easy £10,000 discount.

Order the Track Pack for £16,500. Adding all the Track Pack components bespoke costs £26,400.

The Track Pack is a monster option and with a £10k discount it's a no-brainer:

Super-Lightweight Forged Wheels
Stealth Wheel Finish
McLaren Track Telemetry (MTT) with Lap Time Function
By McLaren Designer Interior - Sport Design 3 (Alcantara)
Carbon Racing Seats (Regular or Touring)
Carbon Black Alcantara Steering Wheel with carbon shifters
Carbon Fibre Interior Components (around IRIS display and centre console)
Carbon Fibre Door Inserts
Carbon Fibre Tunnel Sides
Raised Rear Decklid Wing
Sports Exhaust
Stealth Exhaust Finisher
MSO Defined Dark Palladium Roof

Acres of Carbon, Sports Exhaust, Palladium Roof - those alone make it a stand-out spec.
The track pack is awesome. I nearly specced it but didn't, as with elite paint and security pack it was looking a bit toppy - with hindsight though I regret that a bit since as you say its an awesome spec for the price. I also thought at the time that the track pack may signify a lot of track use and impact resale, but I now realise thats utter bks.

MOD500

2,686 posts

250 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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To answer your questions in order:

The cars: seems to me (10 weeks into 540 ownership) these cars have Jekyll and Hyde character. In standard modes the car drives super smooth and quickly shuffles up the gears and very pleasant to live with, and rides better than my A8 work car. Engage powertrain sport or track mode and changes into monster, bonkers quick (remember entry level 540 timed low as 6.3 to 100), go kart handing with loads of feed back, and lightning fast shifts. The car is equally at home doing the weekend shop or providing thrills during spirited driving. The car retains real sense of occasion, feels special, and is fun if pootling or at pace, this is a big thing for an ex turbo owner such as myself, don't have to drive uber quick to enjoy and have fun.

Mac's are real growers, the more seat time and miles accrued the more realise how special and capable these cars really are.

Regards must have spec there are various threads on here but usuals are: sports exhaust, front lift, security pack, nice wheels, bit of interior jazz, and soft close doors.

540 or 570 - drive them both and make your own mind up? Regards which is best value is case specific I guess dependent on spec and price of both, and what deal can be done on certain car.

The orange 570 at Glasgow (ex press car?) and 540's at London, Glasgow, and Manc look nice:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=us...

I would buy from McDealer if possible, they seem to offer better value than independents plus get MTC visit included and discount on MSO parts, etc.

Dealers / discounts:

As others said is doubtful would get money off new car order. Though I think would be possible to get discount on new registered zero or low miles physical car, demo's pop up at decent money (mine is ex Brum demo car), and used cars could get discount for sure. If you don't ask then don't get !

I dealt with Charles Walsey and Gary Pugh at Brum, was excellent buying experience with straight talking no nonsense approach and I was happy with deal. Brum is biggest selling McDealer in the world for good reason.

Enjoy the search and do post up your thoughts after test drive smile

Well done RL, congratulations and enjoy sonar

Edited by MOD500 on Friday 27th January 23:09

Sarnie

8,044 posts

209 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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People seem to be confusing the difference between a "new unregistered dealer spec'd" to a brand new ordered car to customers spec.......once a dealers stock car hits the forecourt it's costing them money so you may get a deal..........but walk in and order new car from scratch and you won't get a penny off...........which is good for future residuals..............I think 12c residuals plummeted after the bad press it got and then the discounts on 650s'..........

FrankieV12VS

Original Poster:

757 posts

122 months

Saturday 28th January 2017
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MOD500 said:
To answer your questions in order:

The cars: seems to me (10 weeks into 540 ownership) these cars have Jekyll and Hyde character. In standard modes the car drives super smooth and quickly shuffles up the gears and very pleasant to live with, and rides better than my A8 work car. Engage powertrain sport or track mode and changes into monster, bonkers quick (remember entry level 540 timed low as 6.3 to 100), go kart handing with loads of feed back, and lightning fast shifts. The car is equally at home doing the weekend shop or providing thrills during spirited driving. The car retains real sense of occasion, feels special, and is fun if pootling or at pace, this is a big thing for an ex turbo owner such as myself, don't have to drive uber quick to enjoy and have fun.

Mac's are real growers, the more seat time and miles accrued the more realise how special and capable these cars really are.

Regards must have spec there are various threads on here but usuals are: sports exhaust, front lift, security pack, nice wheels, bit of interior jazz, and soft close doors.

540 or 570 - drive them both and make your own mind up? Regards which is best value is case specific I guess dependent on spec and price of both, and what deal can be done on certain car.

The orange 570 at Glasgow (ex press car?) and 540's at London, Glasgow, and Manc look nice:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=us...

I would buy from McDealer if possible, they seem to offer better value than independents plus get MTC visit included and discount on MSO parts, etc.

Dealers / discounts:

As others said is doubtful would get money off new car order. Though I think would be possible to get discount on new registered zero or low miles physical car, demo's pop up at decent money (mine is ex Brum demo car), and used cars could get discount for sure. If you don't ask then don't get !

I dealt with Charles Walsey and Gary Pugh at Brum, was excellent buying experience with straight talking no nonsense approach and I was happy with deal. Brum is biggest selling McDealer in the world for good reason.

Enjoy the search and do post up your thoughts after test drive smile

Well done RL, congratulations and enjoy sonar

Edited by MOD500 on Friday 27th January 23:09
Many thanks for taking the time to give such a detailed opinion. Exactly what I am after. Really pleased to hear that it is a grower and can be used everyday. Even more please when you change the settings it turns into a beast!!

I'm popping in to London on Monday to meet Simon and have a real good look around the cars and get a good feel of what they are like. Journey begins.

Thanks again

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Saturday 28th January 2017
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Having got 400 miles under my belt in the 570S I can tell you it is remarkebly different to the 650S.

It is definitely more sporty/raw in its feel which makes it feel more engaging although the downside of that is it does not feel as composed or luxurious as the 650S.
The steering is a little bit heavier which I personally like but I would not say the feedback is any greater
The suspension whichever setting you are in is harsher and most noticeably in normal where you definitely do not get the Rolls Royce ride of the 650S.
I find myself more and more in normal handling setting mode in the 650S these days purely down to the poor quality of our Great British roads and its a delight in the 650S.
Doing 100 miles in a 570S is not as comfortable as doing 500 in a 650S. For me its not a comfortable long distance car like the 650S but more of a quick A road blaster on the weekends.
The suspension is a massive differential between the 2 cars and the 570S does not offer the breadth of settings that the 650 does.

The gear change is more aggressive in the 570S and not as smooth.
They have obviously detuned it and there is a definite clonk into gear in track mode. It did remind me of the later e-gears at first but that's a bit unfair because it was driven back to back with the super smooth 650S.
Now I've got used to the sensation again I actually like the little jolt as a SPORT/TRACK setting when you are on one.

The exhaust sound is different and a bit more raspy in its tone but not necessarily louder. The 650S sounds more bassy and rumbling. The 570 seems to reacte to rev input quicker especially at low speeds.
Both mine have sports exhausts and whilst drone is probably the wrong word the 570S is a lot nosier in the cabin. Not sure if that's down to the exhaust alone or a combination of things

The standard elec/heated seats are quite firm with less padding IMHO but a great shape and very supportive. They do almost feel like buckets in comparison to the equivalent 650 ones which are far softer and more comfortable but less racey.

The 570 is a fast car don't get me wrong but it is not brutal like the 650 is and you do not get that same push back into the seat. That said if you are stepping up to a 570 you will not be disappointed but I do notice the difference and the 650 seems a lot faster than the stats differential suggests when you are in the drivers seat.
As we know both cars are too fast to remain legal on our public roads anyway but drive the same twisty road in both cars and the 650s is faster and easier to control.


The missus definitely prefers the 650S saying the 570 looks and feels cheaper in comparison but I like both for different reasons.
As a product and a piece of engineering the 650S is a different level and has been so well engineered it really gives that quality feel to it. The downside to this is it does not feel as sporty as the 570S even at higher speeds because its almost too competent


Given the 650 is 2 years older they are worth roughly the same today but setting price apart my straw poll of opinions from friends and neighbours ( admittedly only 2 that have driven both cars ) is 7 to 1 in favour of the 650.
Now I don't know whether that's down to the colour ie Volcano Red versus Black and I've asked them to try and see beyond that but certainly the one that voted for the 570 felt it looked more aggressive in black.
Also with it being mid winter the 650S Spider has not done its party trick by having the roof down when people have been making their opinions

In summary the 570S is a more playful go kart like car that is fun from the start whereas the 650S feels more grown up, sophisticated and classier with a devilish brutal side once you have learnt how to handle it.

All in all the 570S is a great car that I will probably only run for 18 months if things go to plan ( replacement lined up STC )whereas the 650S spider is more of an all round accomplished car and keeper.

Happy hunting



Edited by RamboLambo on Saturday 28th January 13:08

FrankieV12VS

Original Poster:

757 posts

122 months

Saturday 28th January 2017
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Wow a lot of info in that post thanks. So maybe I should go and see all the cars with an open mind? For me, thoughI love the rear of the 540/570, so cool, compared to the 650. The interior of the 650 looks better. All IMHO of course.
I should drive all three but it's how the 540/570 looks that are attracting me to buy one and I'm very sure that's the way I'll jump.

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Saturday 28th January 2017
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I know McLaren say the 570 is more useable on a daily basis but TBH I actually find it easier to get in and out of the 650S as I have developed a technique where I actually sit on the carbon tub sill and ease my way in holding onto the steering wheel.
As the sill is slanted on the 570S you cant do this so you end up putting your foot into the footwell more conventionally but at the moment I keep banging my head on the roof as I stoop down and through the aperture. Dooh!

Driveability and visability of both is amazing for a supercar.

In comparison I sat in a Huracan spyder for the 1st time a month ago and it felt like I was looking through a letterbox. I'm only 5'9" and because of the rake of the windscreen and the seat wasn't low enough it even felt like my head was above the roof line with the top down. Terrible driving position so much so I declined even having a test drive. God knows what it must be like for someone over 6 ft. Lovely looking car though.

In feel I would say the 650S is more like your AM V12VS ( silky smooth and comfortable ) and the 570S like your F430 ( noisey, rattly but "sporty" lol ).

Personally I see the 570S more as a fun weekender than a daily from a comfort point of view but I would not advise leaving either of them in a supermarket car park unless you want crowds of people with their trolleys around it when you come back

993AL

1,936 posts

218 months

Saturday 28th January 2017
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Quite a good subtitled review here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxv43BnLy0U&fe...

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 30th January 2017
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Frankie

I'm going through exactly the same decision making process as you.

Greatly enjoyed your former SP10 but now looking at something new.

The guys at Mac London (Simon and Zac) have been very helpful so far and interestingly both are from our neck of the woods being ex MBMK.

Hope the day goes well and let us know how you get on.

The Surveyor

7,576 posts

237 months

Monday 30th January 2017
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The big question for me on the 570 / 540, is will there be a flood of cheap cars coming on the market once the cars are 12 months plus old.

Looking through the classified (as I do on a daily basis with my fingers crossed) there are no sports series cars anywhere near list price never mind any cheap cars as predicted by our very own RL last year. Ignoring any 'value' of the options which are quite a personal thing, most used 570 and 540 cars are sitting at £10k plus above the basic list price. The cheapest 540c being over £140k compared to the factory list price of £126k.

McLaren Glasgow have a lovely looking 570s in Orange with a respectable 17k miles at £146,990 against £143,250 basic list price.

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Monday 30th January 2017
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The Surveyor said:
The big question for me on the 570 / 540, is will there be a flood of cheap cars coming on the market once the cars are 12 months plus old.

Looking through the classified (as I do on a daily basis with my fingers crossed) there are no sports series cars anywhere near list price never mind any cheap cars as predicted by our very own RL last year. Ignoring any 'value' of the options which are quite a personal thing, most used 570 and 540 cars are sitting at £10k plus above the basic list price. The cheapest 540c being over £140k compared to the factory list price of £126k.

McLaren Glasgow have a lovely looking 570s in Orange with a respectable 17k miles at £146,990 against £143,250 basic list price.
Press cars seem to be sold off cheap through Glasgow but agree it looks good.
Prices have remained firm because of the lead time ordering from new but whilst we know options don't retain their List price 2nd hand you can't discount them from depreciation altogether. From my own experience most cars have £23k+ on them in.
The lovely specced burton Blue MSO one at Glasgow was over £200k and is up at retail of £170k with 2,000 miles on it. That's £30k depreciation to me but a good buy for the 2nd owner

The Surveyor

7,576 posts

237 months

Monday 30th January 2017
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RamboLambo said:
The Surveyor said:
The big question for me on the 570 / 540, is will there be a flood of cheap cars coming on the market once the cars are 12 months plus old.

Looking through the classified (as I do on a daily basis with my fingers crossed) there are no sports series cars anywhere near list price never mind any cheap cars as predicted by our very own RL last year. Ignoring any 'value' of the options which are quite a personal thing, most used 570 and 540 cars are sitting at £10k plus above the basic list price. The cheapest 540c being over £140k compared to the factory list price of £126k.

McLaren Glasgow have a lovely looking 570s in Orange with a respectable 17k miles at £146,990 against £143,250 basic list price.
Press cars seem to be sold off cheap through Glasgow but agree it looks good.
Prices have remained firm because of the lead time ordering from new but whilst we know options don't retain their List price 2nd hand you can't discount them from depreciation altogether. From my own experience most cars have £23k+ on them in.
The lovely specced burton Blue MSO one at Glasgow was over £200k and is up at retail of £170k with 2,000 miles on it. That's £30k depreciation to me but a good buy for the 2nd owner
Yes, agreed on the options. Some are very subjective (I just don't like that Burton Blue for example) and some have universal appeal such as the internal carbon pack.

Prices being buoyant is very positive and that's good news in general. It just means I'm going to have another look down the back of the sofa if one of these is going to be mine this summer!

CarsandLeeds

34 posts

89 months

Tuesday 31st January 2017
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Given wait times on new 570s, and the fact that the base is now 146k ( i.e. 165-170 for a decent spec), I would have thought the cars offered in the 150s would trade pretty quickly - although there seem to be a lot of white cars around which I guess is not the best colour?

Also , how does McLaren production work these days - do they have extra capacity for the 720s or will sports series production capacity shrink to accommodate the 720s when production ramps up.... i.e. meaning 570 lead times not likely to materially decrease?

FrankieV12VS

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757 posts

122 months

Friday 3rd February 2017
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RSK21 said:
Frankie

I'm going through exactly the same decision making process as you.

Greatly enjoyed your former SP10 but now looking at something new.

The guys at Mac London (Simon and Zac) have been very helpful so far and interestingly both are from our neck of the woods being ex MBMK.

Hope the day goes well and let us know how you get on.
Glad you enjoyed the SP10. How far down the road are you on your decision process? I met Simon on Monday and waiting for him to come back to me with some figures on their dealer stock 570S. Off to another dealer on Wednesday to have a test drive (London's demo had a puncture!) Interestingly I have had some eye opening (in a good way) figures emailed across for a Huracan 580-2!! scratchchin

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Friday 3rd February 2017
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FrankieV12VS said:
Glad you enjoyed the SP10. How far down the road are you on your decision process? I met Simon on Monday and waiting for him to come back to me with some figures on their dealer stock 570S. Off to another dealer on Wednesday to have a test drive (London's demo had a puncture!) Interestingly I have had some eye opening (in a good way) figures emailed across for a Huracan 580-2!! scratchchin
Yeah I bet ! Huge discounts on Huracan at the moment