720s the best value Supercar ?

[SSO]

Rocketreid said:

Having just looked through PistonHeads used cars section there are now in region of only 18 for sale excluding one particular dealer who still shows long sold vehicles . AT also have a couple more ! But in Middle of 2020 it was over 40.

It does though seem all the nicer spec 2018/19 better colour optioned cars have gone. There are also folks requesting nice examples through the Supercar clubs and presumably cars are being sold this way without being advertised.

So are we now seeing interest in the 720s rising with so few decent examples available and arguably it is the greatest Supercar from an overall performance point of view with low spec cars down in the £130k’s

Prices do though appear to have stabilised even though some folks still want to talk values down for their own ends I guess.

Prices may not rise for the 720s but it looks likely they won’t fall much so are they the best value Supercar, Probably!!

We have a 720S Spider and love it, however in terms of best value I would have to say its the 675LT. Its just an epic car.

[LotusJas]

lingus75 said:

I have looked at your ad so many times! Your car is, in my opinion, the perfect example.

Can I ask what colour you have gone for on the 765?

Thanks

I haven't yet been able to decide on the colour. I'm down to a shortlist of 3 colours, but as there is no rush to decide it yet, I am being indecisive

[AstonExige720]

VonSenger said:

I'm not alone. 2 friends had the unfortunate experience of owning one too, both had issues. But yeah, porsche......

Why is it whenever someone is defending their position that the car is crap, they always know "friends who also had issues" How many people own 720s's? What, did you like have three of you all with the same supercar and you all had bad issues?!

Look, you got a bad one, no doubt it was really frustrating and like you, it would put me off, it sucks, but it happens with every brand. But better to be honest with your experience and help others avoid the issue with facts. And we believe you had issues, no need to claim you knew others with the same problem, no need to try to put other people off the cars altogether, you're not doing anyone any favours. I did lots of research before buying one, talked to loads of owners and ex-owners. For every one person with a bad experience, I found many many more with positive ones. So the chances of 3 of you, all with the same exclusive supercar, all with a load of issues, I just don't buy it. And that sort of exaggeration doesn't help anyone, doesn't help prospective owners, doesn't help the scene, doesn't help the brand get better.

[LotusJas]

AstonExige, welcome to the McLaren section on PH

[Rocketreid]

AstonExige720 said:

Why is it whenever someone is defending their position that the car is crap, they always know "friends who also had issues" How many people own 720s's? What, did you like have three of you all with the same supercar and you all had bad issues?!

Look, you got a bad one, no doubt it was really frustrating and like you, it would put me off, it sucks, but it happens with every brand. But better to be honest with your experience and help others avoid the issue with facts. And we believe you had issues, no need to claim you knew others with the same problem, no need to try to put other people off the cars altogether, you're not doing anyone any favours. I did lots of research before buying one, talked to loads of owners and ex-owners. For every one person with a bad experience, I found many many more with positive ones. So the chances of 3 of you, all with the same exclusive supercar, all with a load of issues, I just don't buy it. And that sort of exaggeration doesn't help anyone, doesn't help prospective owners, doesn't help the scene, doesn't help the brand get better.

I can’t disagree

There are many Supercar Owners who have had issues with all marques. I don’t think McLaren are unique.

The main difference is McLarens perform like a Supercar while most of the rest do not. The Supercar sector is so far behind that of McLaren Sports and Supercars they need a new sector !!

The most unfortunate issue though is a handful of very vocal folks who voiced their opinions, as they have right to do, but it did not accurately depict the views of the huge majority of owners. This then became like Chinese Whispers.

In any event, there always someone’s mate or bloke down the pub who has had a bad experience of pretty much everything.

[650spider]

Yup....don't dare try and defend your good McLaren ownership and dealer experience.

Also, if you don't have any issues your a liar apparently.

Must be 10 to 1 at least in this forum for owners with good macs to problematic macs.

As you say; I get there are owners out there that have had problematic ones...fair enough as it happens to every marque.

Its the constant bringing it up that bores me to tears.

I admire owners that have issues, work with the dealer to resolve make insightful posts about what went wrong and how to try and remedy like Dave and others.

Previous owners that had one or two or even three macs that bring it up regularily telling everyone that McLarens are crap whenever they see an opening in usually a good discussion thread is tireseome; we get it; you post the same story often; how about after you sell it and move on like most normal people do.

[SSO]

Rocketreid said:

I can’t disagree

There are many Supercar Owners who have had issues with all marques. I don’t think McLaren are unique.

The main difference is McLarens perform like a Supercar while most of the rest do not. The Supercar sector is so far behind that of McLaren Sports and Supercars they need a new sector !!

The most unfortunate issue though is a handful of very vocal folks who voiced their opinions, as they have right to do, but it did not accurately depict the views of the huge majority of owners. This then became like Chinese Whispers.

In any event, there always someone’s mate or bloke down the pub who has had a bad experience of pretty much everything.

All Marques have issues. Overall though, we have owned 9 McLarens and it’s been a terrific experience. I have documented all the issues we’ve had with McLarens, Ferrari’s, and Porsche’s in our blogs. Overall the McLarens have had less problems than the Porsche’s.

[LotusJas]

SSO said:

All Marques have issues. Overall though, we have owned 9 McLarens and it’s been a terrific experience. I have documented all the issues we’ve had with McLarens, Ferrari’s, and Porsche’s in our blogs. Overall the McLarens have had less problems than the Porsche’s.

Come on now, let's not let facts and a real ownership experience get in the way of a good rant


P.S. I once linked to your excellent ownership blog to counter an anti-McLaren troll....and he still said it was all "made up lies". Some people just want to believe BS from a few YouTube click-bait videos.

[Turbo cab]

650spider said:

we get it; you post the same story often; how about after you sell it and move on like most normal people do.

Can we assume that now yours is sold you're going to move on like normal people do?

[VonSenger]

Oops I seen to have upset a couple of 720 snow flakes.

What would I get out of lying or exaggerating my experience? You honestly think I need the attention of a few keyboard warriors?

I think you assume this because youre more likely to exaggerate on how wonderful they are.
IME they are woeful. Shoddy build quality, poor use of materials and they simply skipped any real QA process. How hard is it to make sure leather on a steering wheel is glued on properly? Or the carbon on the steering wheel actually fits?? Or that the audio unit works as it should and connects to your phone without having to go back to new forest for a software update? For Christ sakes, even Citroën get that right.

The dark grey one my friend had left him in Spa, he didn't even track it! It couldn't even manage the road trip before the gearbox gave up.

IME you'd have to be bonkers to even consider one without a bomb proof warranty. You're going to need it!

[12pack]

Well thank goodness for all the negative posts about Macs.

This enables real drivers bored with plodding Europeans to be able to afford them. Keep in mind these are the people who know how to drive, and hence the reward is worth the hand-wringing over depreciation etc.

[SSO]

LotusJas said:

SSO said:

All Marques have issues. Overall though, we have owned 9 McLarens and it’s been a terrific experience. I have documented all the issues we’ve had with McLarens, Ferrari’s, and Porsche’s in our blogs. Overall the McLarens have had less problems than the Porsche’s.

Come on now, let's not let facts and a real ownership experience get in the way of a good rant


P.S. I once linked to your excellent ownership blog to counter an anti-McLaren troll....and he still said it was all "made up lies". Some people just want to believe BS from a few YouTube click-bait videos.

Thats really sad and just a bit funny. I believe it was Dan White who said, you cant fix stupid.....

Truth be told, Im not creative enough to make any of it up.

[DarthtaterM16]

VonSenger said:

the power steering will fail on me when I really need it

That's concerning..

[VonSenger]

DarthtaterM16 said:

VonSenger said:

the power steering will fail on me when I really need it

That's concerning..

Indeed. Randomly too. The dash would bong and then I'd need to wrestle the wheel and stop, then go through an embarrassing reboot dance in traffic.

But yes, I'm exaggerating and lying.

[650spider]

Turbo cab said:

650spider said:

we get it; you post the same story often; how about after you sell it and move on like most normal people do.

Can we assume that now yours is sold you're going to move on like normal people do?

Yup...moving onto the next mac.

I feel confident it shall be as problem free as the last one but even if its not, I am sure I shall just 'get on with it'....spilt milk and all that.

Thanks for asking and keep smiling.

[BrntRubber]

R8Reece said:

Even if you consider OTR prices, performance wise they wipe the floor with most of the opposition - think the new 911 turbo is up there with it. But when you think about 2nd hand values and they are, bang for buck, the best you can get IMHO.

The newer cars (with the white swoosh logo on the back) come with updated software and less niggles so are even more appealing.

Bar a Zonda, they're probably one of the best looking cars out there today.

As of March 2020, I noticed 60 coupes for sale, now there are 20 but I've seen a reduction in performance car availability since lock down pretty much across the board.

Can you please confirm what year this white swoosh started?

Thanks

[Turbo cab]

BrntRubber said:

R8Reece said:

Even if you consider OTR prices, performance wise they wipe the floor with most of the opposition - think the new 911 turbo is up there with it. But when you think about 2nd hand values and they are, bang for buck, the best you can get IMHO.

The newer cars (with the white swoosh logo on the back) come with updated software and less niggles so are even more appealing.

Bar a Zonda, they're probably one of the best looking cars out there today.

As of March 2020, I noticed 60 coupes for sale, now there are 20 but I've seen a reduction in performance car availability since lock down pretty much across the board.

Can you please confirm what year this white swoosh started?

Thanks

Late 2018 iirc, although mine is on a 68 and doesn't have it so best check as it goes down to the build date and not registered date.

[Rocketreid]

Turbo cab said:

Late 2018 iirc, although mine is on a 68 and doesn't have it so best check as it goes down to the build date and not registered date.

White swoosh badged cars will be from 18 plate cars onwards but as said it is on build date not actual registration.

In any event contrary to some postings there is little to no difference in the build quality. The so called software update is a bit mythical as gremlins on cars 2-3 years will have been resolved if owned by a longer term owner.

In fact other than the early launch models 17 and 67 plate there is nothing of concern. Many Earlier models did appear To have more issues.

I would be more concerned about picking up a high spec, well maintained, colour you want and one with Mac warranty than whether it had Red or White Swooshes.

I don’t think you will be finding a good spec 720s Coupe for under £140k now

[Iwontlietoyou]

My 720S Spider has been one of the least troublesome cars I've ever owned. Owned for a year now and put 3,500 miles on it.

I may feel differently when it goes in for it's annual service soon...

I agree with everything positive here, including that for road use, there just isn't the need for 720PS. However, one reason to get the 720S over the sports series McLarens, is the 720S magic suspension. Brilliant for a B-Road blast, but I remember a good few drives over the summer in comfort mode, with the roof open where it was just such a relaxing place to be

[Rocketreid]

With the lowest advertised cars now at
almost £140k perhaps the 720s values have turned a corner.

I really don’t see values dropping much for high spec Coupe’s this summer and Spiders look set to remain high with a limited number of cars available and new builds virtually ceased.