Is the Mclaren 600 LT Spider the most desirable sub 200k?
Discussion
Gibbo205 said:
Why would I be down? I feel very fortunate to own a 600 LT Spider and the other cars I own. 
Everyone saying your car is not MSO and that the options are all standard has got to have hacked you off somewhat surely.Don't worry it's only jealousy, the car looks great whatever IMHO
Nuttbelle said:
Gibbo205 said:
Why would I be down? I feel very fortunate to own a 600 LT Spider and the other cars I own.
Everyone saying your car is not MSO and that the options are all standard has got to have hacked you off somewhat surely.Don't worry it's only jealousy, the car looks great whatever IMHO
Maybe you should explain why he would be bothered? you might understand a bit better then..
A great car in a great colour no doubt.
McLaren’s may all look pretty similar and share the same dna but they do all perform differently for differing taste.
The 600LT while not quite as extreme as the 620R is a bit of a hooligan, suits some but not others.
Often compared to the 720s, on PH which is a different beast , presumably because of the price comparisons
I’ve had both, the 720s is undoubtedly a fair bit faster on stand alone track times although not as accomplished or potentially as much fun. Subjective though !
The 720’s Active Aero is a game changer though and on track works as it should, it’s a more advanced and expensive car.
No right or wrong and everyone will try to justify theirs and criticise other’s opinions.
Enjoy
McLaren’s may all look pretty similar and share the same dna but they do all perform differently for differing taste.
The 600LT while not quite as extreme as the 620R is a bit of a hooligan, suits some but not others.
Often compared to the 720s, on PH which is a different beast , presumably because of the price comparisons
I’ve had both, the 720s is undoubtedly a fair bit faster on stand alone track times although not as accomplished or potentially as much fun. Subjective though !
The 720’s Active Aero is a game changer though and on track works as it should, it’s a more advanced and expensive car.
No right or wrong and everyone will try to justify theirs and criticise other’s opinions.
Enjoy
crimbo said:
If you could only have one last drive, are you taking the 458 or 600lt.
That is a tough one and I guess it would depend on a drive where too. Talking track or somewhere I can really get my foot down then yes the 600 LT for sure.If it’s more a case of high speeds not possible then the 458 as it delivers excitement and gets adrenalin flowing at much lower speeds due to shorter gearing and it having a much more playful chassis making it feel a much faster car even though the 600 LT is actually quicker than it.
Why for me faster does not always necessary mean better and is why for the 600 was the one but I also love the looks of the 600.
Nuttbelle said:
Everyone saying your car is not MSO and that the options are all standard has got to have hacked you off somewhat surely.
Don't worry it's only jealousy, the car looks great whatever IMHO
Not at all, it’s an internet forum and it’s all a bit of banter. Maybe my shoulders are a bit broader or since I hit 40 I just don’t get offended or hacked off and certainly not by comments on an internet forum.Don't worry it's only jealousy, the car looks great whatever IMHO
For me my 600 is the best I’ve seen, that does not make it the best but for me it’s the best.
Gibbo205 said:
Nuttbelle said:
Not knocking the sport series 600LT but the 675LT was massively over engineered for its price point to launch the halo LT sub brand.
Mclaren really went overboard using many P1 parts to make it exceptional and as many reviewers commented at time its a mini P1 but more fun.
Being the original very limited LT Road car it is an iconic car and future classic guaranteed, 2 things the 600LT won't be.
The banned F1 technology of active aero and hydraulic suspension sets the 675LT apart from the 600LT and puts it in a totally different league IMHO.
The top exit exhausts are nice but the pops and bangs from the inconel 675LT exhaust are equally amazing
Don't get me wrong, value for money the 600LT is better at £150k but apart from that it's the 675LT all the way.
The 600LT struggled to sell due to over production and hence some of the crazy PCP deals thar were going round to shift them.
As a result there was a glut of cars on the market 2 years later which hit residuals hard.
Thankfully they have rebounded to closer to where the car should sit given all its merits but I dont see the increase continuing any further due to the volumes of cars made
The thing that sets the 675 LT apart are also the very reasons I don’t want one, they make it too good to enjoy on the road, the 600 LT is bad enough as it is with been not that much fun within speed limits but the super series cars really just for me at least are not exciting on the road as you have to do some pretty gigantic speeds to make them come alive, which is fine if your doing lots of track work but as a car to enjoy on the road without going too fast no McLaren excels well at this they are all so good but for me the 600 is more engaging and entertaining at lower speeds which for me in a car to enjoy on the road and the odd track day makes the 600 LT a big winner. Mclaren really went overboard using many P1 parts to make it exceptional and as many reviewers commented at time its a mini P1 but more fun.
Being the original very limited LT Road car it is an iconic car and future classic guaranteed, 2 things the 600LT won't be.
The banned F1 technology of active aero and hydraulic suspension sets the 675LT apart from the 600LT and puts it in a totally different league IMHO.
The top exit exhausts are nice but the pops and bangs from the inconel 675LT exhaust are equally amazing
Don't get me wrong, value for money the 600LT is better at £150k but apart from that it's the 675LT all the way.
The 600LT struggled to sell due to over production and hence some of the crazy PCP deals thar were going round to shift them.
As a result there was a glut of cars on the market 2 years later which hit residuals hard.
Thankfully they have rebounded to closer to where the car should sit given all its merits but I dont see the increase continuing any further due to the volumes of cars made
Edited by Nuttbelle on Friday 18th August 18:26
Also less to to break on a 600 because as you say it’s a simpler car. Just nice that in current climate the 600 LT has gone against the trend of dropping prices and in some cases actually risen.
Also I’d say at 170 coupes and 150 Spiders with far less MSO cars makes the 600 also a very rare car.
Secondly you don't need to go silly speeds to make a 675LT enjoyable, in fact its one of the few supercars that is enjoyable at low speeds. I don't use mine on track. I have driven 675LT & 600LT directly back to back on the road and for me it was the 675LT that tingled and excited that little bit more, even at lower speeds. Not that there was a lot in it, both are supreme cars and the 600LT is most definitely the best value focused supercar available ATM. Enjoy.
Bispal said:
Firstly of all, your 600LT looks stunning Gibbo.
Secondly you don't need to go silly speeds to make a 675LT enjoyable, in fact its one of the few supercars that is enjoyable at low speeds. I don't use mine on track. I have driven 675LT & 600LT directly back to back on the road and for me it was the 675LT that tingled and excited that little bit more, even at lower speeds. Not that there was a lot in it, both are supreme cars and the 600LT is most definitely the best value focused supercar available ATM. Enjoy.
Thank you, 675 LT was my other choice, but as I wanted a Spider the 600 LT Spider at my time of buying had such a small premium over the coupe (10-15k) as I paid a fair price which for a car in my dream spec was a lucky find, it was never listed for sale.Secondly you don't need to go silly speeds to make a 675LT enjoyable, in fact its one of the few supercars that is enjoyable at low speeds. I don't use mine on track. I have driven 675LT & 600LT directly back to back on the road and for me it was the 675LT that tingled and excited that little bit more, even at lower speeds. Not that there was a lot in it, both are supreme cars and the 600LT is most definitely the best value focused supercar available ATM. Enjoy.
Also at the time of buying I think it was when the 675's were peaking price wise. It is totally personal taste but for me the 600 LT is my favourite looking McLaren followed by P1, just love exhaust placement and sound track they give, all personal preference but I purchased the car right for me and if I was speccing from new I'd not change anything apart from adding the track cameras. Its got the wheels, wings, seats, hi-fi, stitching, none black roof and all carbon painted black in Volcano Red, so it really was a very lucky drop to get in the car, made more pleasant as a dealer would want more for it.
I just love driving it, which is what it is all about but must also admit I will sometimes just sit and stare at it for ages, on sunny days I bring it out the garage and park it in the back garden so I can just admire its looks, the stance is just spot on and the colour like liquid, out of my entire collection it is the car I will just stare at for minutes on end.
Am a bag of skittles guy so I like my cars in different colours, hence my 458 is Giallo Triplo Strato, another rare colour compared to reds, blacks and flat yellows of Ferrari world from that time. My 360 however is just plain regular Rosso Red, suits it though, but the darker blue's had aged the 360 best, I hate black cars as they never stay clean.
Edited by Gibbo205 on Monday 21st August 12:44
Edited by Gibbo205 on Monday 21st August 12:45
Edited by Gibbo205 on Monday 21st August 12:46
HIS LM said:
Streetbeat said:
Is the Mclaren 600 lT Spider the most desirable sub 200k?
Is this a rhetorical question or an actual question?
Whatever you want it to be this is a motoring forum for topical debate Is this a rhetorical question or an actual question?
At sub £150k, absolutely.
Not sure about which is the most desirable, there's the odd V12 Lambo out there, certainly "desirable" but I wouldn't want to own one, Depends what you want...
You can spec a new Land Rover up tp that, but an URUS would be my choice if I liked SUVs. Merc SLS is an interesting idea, and a lot of Ferraris, F12, 812, Roma, Portafino, all sneak in under £200k
For 600LT money then sadly the mrs would probably steer me towards a DB11 or DBS
but I think there can be little doubt about the least desirable one..
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308140...
You can spec a new Land Rover up tp that, but an URUS would be my choice if I liked SUVs. Merc SLS is an interesting idea, and a lot of Ferraris, F12, 812, Roma, Portafino, all sneak in under £200k
For 600LT money then sadly the mrs would probably steer me towards a DB11 or DBS
but I think there can be little doubt about the least desirable one..
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308140...
First track day yesterday in the 600 LT Spider at Donington GT, had great fun and some great fun chasing down the 992 GT3 RS's.
The car was nothing short of sensational on track, mind blown by how quick it is and I am was nowhere near close to its full ability as I was too scared to keep my foot in it through Craners and up the hill after old hairpin as the speed the car piles on is unrelenting.
Still the car was un-rivalled and apart from eating through the pads at a crazy rate of knots the car was faultless, I checked oil level after every session and on the day the car consumed 0.5l of oil in order to keep the oil one green light above mid-way. Track mpg was 5mpg.
The AR1's though not the quickest tyre were faultless, progressive at limit and seemed to have taken hardly any wear at all and little to zero pickup on them as I never had to move off line to let anyone pass. Car was on road alignment, so no extreme cambers and it handled lovely.
Also no red flags all day, not bad for a Donington track day but Lotus on Track is the best organiser I have used along with RMA.
In short driving the 600 LT on track was like driving around with a cheat code enabled, I was in Track / Track with ESC DYN enabled. Let my mate have a go who has also had lots of exotic cars and we both came to same agreement out of cars we have owned and track driven, the 600 LT was one of the most capable cars we have ever driven, vastly superior to my 991 GT3 in every single measurement and more engaging and feelsome too, I'd say it was also as fun as my Caterham, but the Caterham I can drive at 10/10th's for long stings (45 mins) whereas the 600 LT was above my ability level, I'd say I was most of the day at 7/8 tenths (15 minute stints) and was short shifting a lot, braking early just for mechanical sympathy but also due to the high speeds the car was seeing, 130+ on pit straight and 140+ on back straight, so did not want to take risk. Admittedly when I was chasing down the white 992 GT3 RS the red mist came down and I wash pushing harder, but it was fun gaining on him bit by bit to eventually pass.
600 is just epic on track, but the brakes wear rate is shockingly bad, so I guess different pads or a surface transforms ceramic or steel conversion would be a must for anyone planning on a lot of track work.
After driving my Exige, GT3, Boxster Spyder, 458, E46 M3 CSL, Ferrari 458, all on track the 600 has them all beat but then has the major advantage of a lovely roof down drive home.
I'd not want the expense of tracking the 600 LT on a regular basis, that is certainly where an Exige and Caterham are far better suited, but ability and all out fun/engagement what a car.
Love it!
The car was nothing short of sensational on track, mind blown by how quick it is and I am was nowhere near close to its full ability as I was too scared to keep my foot in it through Craners and up the hill after old hairpin as the speed the car piles on is unrelenting.
Still the car was un-rivalled and apart from eating through the pads at a crazy rate of knots the car was faultless, I checked oil level after every session and on the day the car consumed 0.5l of oil in order to keep the oil one green light above mid-way. Track mpg was 5mpg.
The AR1's though not the quickest tyre were faultless, progressive at limit and seemed to have taken hardly any wear at all and little to zero pickup on them as I never had to move off line to let anyone pass. Car was on road alignment, so no extreme cambers and it handled lovely.
Also no red flags all day, not bad for a Donington track day but Lotus on Track is the best organiser I have used along with RMA.
In short driving the 600 LT on track was like driving around with a cheat code enabled, I was in Track / Track with ESC DYN enabled. Let my mate have a go who has also had lots of exotic cars and we both came to same agreement out of cars we have owned and track driven, the 600 LT was one of the most capable cars we have ever driven, vastly superior to my 991 GT3 in every single measurement and more engaging and feelsome too, I'd say it was also as fun as my Caterham, but the Caterham I can drive at 10/10th's for long stings (45 mins) whereas the 600 LT was above my ability level, I'd say I was most of the day at 7/8 tenths (15 minute stints) and was short shifting a lot, braking early just for mechanical sympathy but also due to the high speeds the car was seeing, 130+ on pit straight and 140+ on back straight, so did not want to take risk. Admittedly when I was chasing down the white 992 GT3 RS the red mist came down and I wash pushing harder, but it was fun gaining on him bit by bit to eventually pass.
600 is just epic on track, but the brakes wear rate is shockingly bad, so I guess different pads or a surface transforms ceramic or steel conversion would be a must for anyone planning on a lot of track work.
After driving my Exige, GT3, Boxster Spyder, 458, E46 M3 CSL, Ferrari 458, all on track the 600 has them all beat but then has the major advantage of a lovely roof down drive home.
I'd not want the expense of tracking the 600 LT on a regular basis, that is certainly where an Exige and Caterham are far better suited, but ability and all out fun/engagement what a car.
Love it!
Edited by Gibbo205 on Thursday 24th August 10:28
Firstly, for me, car of the show at Bicester. I didn't get a chance to speak to you but read the info on the car and I think you chatted to my brother about your other cars.
Well it set me off looking at Mclarens as my next car when I'd pretty much discounted them, not sure why.
Absolutely beautiful!
Well it set me off looking at Mclarens as my next car when I'd pretty much discounted them, not sure why.
Absolutely beautiful!
Your car is absolutely stunning OP and the 600LT is imho easily the best-looking Mclaren.
I don't have 200k but I'm looking to get something for about 140k later in the year, which makes the 600LT an option, their main competition for me is the 488GTB. I have my money down on a new 991.2 GTS but I think I will get my deposit back and plum for one of the two above they just seem far more special than a 991 GTS. Despite how genuinely brilliant I thought the GTS was.
I noticed you previously owned a 458 too that was also under consideration but I've come to the conclusion that the 488 is the better option for me. I take it the 458 and the LT are chalk and cheese?
I don't have 200k but I'm looking to get something for about 140k later in the year, which makes the 600LT an option, their main competition for me is the 488GTB. I have my money down on a new 991.2 GTS but I think I will get my deposit back and plum for one of the two above they just seem far more special than a 991 GTS. Despite how genuinely brilliant I thought the GTS was.
I noticed you previously owned a 458 too that was also under consideration but I've come to the conclusion that the 488 is the better option for me. I take it the 458 and the LT are chalk and cheese?
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