No Artura love?!
Discussion
Bispal said:
A friend of mine just took the deal. He absolutely loved the Artura on the test drive and was happy with the costs so picks it up next week. He tells me you can hand the car back and just walk away, which is what he intends to do.
The deal he was offered was 3.9% on new Artura or 8.9% used, both with a deposit. He did the maths and a new Artura MRRP £230k but £189k with discounts worked out at £68k total costs over 3 years and 18k miles. A used car worked out at £80k over 3 years as interest was higher. So new car works out £22.5k pa, all in, cheaper than used if you are financing.
I hope they manage to get some sold with the deal, by all accounts they are absolutely stunning to drive.
Some big numbers in here but £22.5k pa with certainty, all in to run a brand new c£200k super car feels pretty sensible to me. Super cars have always been expensive to run and costs shouldn’t be benchmarked to the post C19 era which was abnormal.The deal he was offered was 3.9% on new Artura or 8.9% used, both with a deposit. He did the maths and a new Artura MRRP £230k but £189k with discounts worked out at £68k total costs over 3 years and 18k miles. A used car worked out at £80k over 3 years as interest was higher. So new car works out £22.5k pa, all in, cheaper than used if you are financing.
I hope they manage to get some sold with the deal, by all accounts they are absolutely stunning to drive.
PinkHouse said:
I think your friend is ignoring the other side of the equation here, whilst the costs for the new one might be "lower" you're essentially going to walk away with nothing when you hand the car back, but buying a used one at circa £150k and spending £80k all in would still leave you with significant equity to balance out the cost of ownership
Exactly thisIt is an absolute horrible deal. Glazing a highly depreciating car with a low apr is the devils work imo.
If people can afford to throw away 80k in the bin basically just for 2 years of fun in a new McLaren then by all means have your fun, but yes it’s absolutely silly. Ridiculous infact.
Calculator said:
Bispal said:
A friend of mine just took the deal. He absolutely loved the Artura on the test drive and was happy with the costs so picks it up next week. He tells me you can hand the car back and just walk away, which is what he intends to do.
The deal he was offered was 3.9% on new Artura or 8.9% used, both with a deposit. He did the maths and a new Artura MRRP £230k but £189k with discounts worked out at £68k total costs over 3 years and 18k miles. A used car worked out at £80k over 3 years as interest was higher. So new car works out £22.5k pa, all in, cheaper than used if you are financing.
I hope they manage to get some sold with the deal, by all accounts they are absolutely stunning to drive.
Some big numbers in here but £22.5k pa with certainty, all in to run a brand new c£200k super car feels pretty sensible to me. Super cars have always been expensive to run and costs shouldn’t be benchmarked to the post C19 era which was abnormal.The deal he was offered was 3.9% on new Artura or 8.9% used, both with a deposit. He did the maths and a new Artura MRRP £230k but £189k with discounts worked out at £68k total costs over 3 years and 18k miles. A used car worked out at £80k over 3 years as interest was higher. So new car works out £22.5k pa, all in, cheaper than used if you are financing.
I hope they manage to get some sold with the deal, by all accounts they are absolutely stunning to drive.
Planetstank said:
PinkHouse said:
I think your friend is ignoring the other side of the equation here, whilst the costs for the new one might be "lower" you're essentially going to walk away with nothing when you hand the car back, but buying a used one at circa £150k and spending £80k all in would still leave you with significant equity to balance out the cost of ownership
Exactly thisIt is an absolute horrible deal. Glazing a highly depreciating car with a low apr is the devils work imo.
If people can afford to throw away 80k in the bin basically just for 2 years of fun in a new McLaren then by all means have your fun, but yes it’s absolutely silly. Ridiculous infact.
It's a V6 hybrid with a few more horsepowers than a Hyundai hatchback.
I just can't see it. If there's no singing V8 or drop dead gorgeous looks then what's the point when it's not the newest and shiniest?
The same goes for the 296 and the MC20.
ChocolateFrog said:
Planetstank said:
PinkHouse said:
I think your friend is ignoring the other side of the equation here, whilst the costs for the new one might be "lower" you're essentially going to walk away with nothing when you hand the car back, but buying a used one at circa £150k and spending £80k all in would still leave you with significant equity to balance out the cost of ownership
Exactly thisIt is an absolute horrible deal. Glazing a highly depreciating car with a low apr is the devils work imo.
If people can afford to throw away 80k in the bin basically just for 2 years of fun in a new McLaren then by all means have your fun, but yes it’s absolutely silly. Ridiculous infact.
It's a V6 hybrid with a few more horsepowers than a Hyundai hatchback.
I just can't see it. If there's no singing V8 or drop dead gorgeous looks then what's the point when it's not the newest and shiniest?
The same goes for the 296 and the MC20.
The haters will love to hate but buying a depreciating asset with borrowed money is generally just not a sensible thing to do.
Buy a car that you can pay cash for.
I know that before interest rates started to return to more usual levels 90% of sports cars were financed, so mine’s a minors view………
Buy a car that you can pay cash for.
I know that before interest rates started to return to more usual levels 90% of sports cars were financed, so mine’s a minors view………
PinkHouse said:
Bispal said:
A friend of mine just took the deal. He absolutely loved the Artura on the test drive and was happy with the costs so picks it up next week. He tells me you can hand the car back and just walk away, which is what he intends to do.
The deal he was offered was 3.9% on new Artura or 8.9% used, both with a deposit. He did the maths and a new Artura MRRP £230k but £189k with discounts worked out at £68k total costs over 3 years and 18k miles. A used car worked out at £80k over 3 years as interest was higher. So new car works out £22.5k pa, all in, cheaper than used if you are financing.
I hope they manage to get some sold with the deal, by all accounts they are absolutely stunning to drive.
I think your friend is ignoring the other side of the equation here, whilst the costs for the new one might be "lower" you're essentially going to walk away with nothing when you hand the car back, but buying a used one at circa £150k and spending £80k all in would still leave you with significant equity to balance out the cost of ownershipThe deal he was offered was 3.9% on new Artura or 8.9% used, both with a deposit. He did the maths and a new Artura MRRP £230k but £189k with discounts worked out at £68k total costs over 3 years and 18k miles. A used car worked out at £80k over 3 years as interest was higher. So new car works out £22.5k pa, all in, cheaper than used if you are financing.
I hope they manage to get some sold with the deal, by all accounts they are absolutely stunning to drive.
ChocolateFrog said:
Planetstank said:
PinkHouse said:
I think your friend is ignoring the other side of the equation here, whilst the costs for the new one might be "lower" you're essentially going to walk away with nothing when you hand the car back, but buying a used one at circa £150k and spending £80k all in would still leave you with significant equity to balance out the cost of ownership
Exactly thisIt is an absolute horrible deal. Glazing a highly depreciating car with a low apr is the devils work imo.
If people can afford to throw away 80k in the bin basically just for 2 years of fun in a new McLaren then by all means have your fun, but yes it’s absolutely silly. Ridiculous infact.
It's a V6 hybrid with a few more horsepowers than a Hyundai hatchback.
I just can't see it. If there's no singing V8 or drop dead gorgeous looks then what's the point when it's not the newest and shiniest?
The same goes for the 296 and the MC20.
I believe there's been a lot of changes to the Artura over it's short production life, given the early wobbles, so more than any other McLaren it may be a model where the newest production version is far superior to the first ones.
Given that I would have thought anyone buying one would be well advised to order a new one on a 'finance deal' rather than buy a used or even stock one (that may have been built much earlier).
There's an Intercooler video up on YouTube in the last few days where they seem to rate the Artura very highly after using for 2 months (and both are very good journalists).
https://youtu.be/pEs68Rik88I?si=kuMxKBen5XftEb5E
Given that I would have thought anyone buying one would be well advised to order a new one on a 'finance deal' rather than buy a used or even stock one (that may have been built much earlier).
There's an Intercooler video up on YouTube in the last few days where they seem to rate the Artura very highly after using for 2 months (and both are very good journalists).
https://youtu.be/pEs68Rik88I?si=kuMxKBen5XftEb5E
As an existing owner, and one that has lost serious money on 2 McLarens in the past, there is something different this time. With the 570 and the 720 there were flaws like bag of bolts engine noise or noticeable turbo lag that meant the depreciation actually grated over time.
With the Artura, it is such an incredible car to drive and the hybrid gives you such bandwidth that I just don't consider the depreciation. I just want to drive it and don't care about mileage. It's a car to be used as much as you can, every day.
Maybe that will change and I may be a bit odd in that I see McLaren have sold a boat load of 750s (see my previous post on that) but I don't get it from a driver's perspective. Artura is such a better product.
There is something very weird going on with the view that hybrid is bad / uncool / not supercar / Prius or something. I see it as game changing, but it takes at least 3 test drives to appreciate it!
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec) so hopefully rarity value will see me through!
With the Artura, it is such an incredible car to drive and the hybrid gives you such bandwidth that I just don't consider the depreciation. I just want to drive it and don't care about mileage. It's a car to be used as much as you can, every day.
Maybe that will change and I may be a bit odd in that I see McLaren have sold a boat load of 750s (see my previous post on that) but I don't get it from a driver's perspective. Artura is such a better product.
There is something very weird going on with the view that hybrid is bad / uncool / not supercar / Prius or something. I see it as game changing, but it takes at least 3 test drives to appreciate it!
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec) so hopefully rarity value will see me through!
Edited by gavinp on Thursday 25th April 22:33
gavinp said:
As an existing owner, and one that has lost serious money on 2 McLarens in the past, there is something different this time. With the 570 and the 720 there were flaws like bag of bolts engine noise or noticeable turbo lag that meant the depreciation actually grated over time.
With the Artura, it is such an incredible car to drive and the hybrid gives you such bandwidth that I just don't consider the depreciation. I just want to drive it and don't care about mileage. It's a car to be used as much as you can, every day.
Maybe that will change and I may be a bit odd in that I see McLaren have sold a boat load of 750s (see my previous post on that) but I don't get it from a driver's perspective. Artura is such a better product.
There is something very weird going on with the view that hybrid is bad / uncool / not supercar / Prius or something. I see it as game changing, but it takes at least 3 test drives to appreciate it!
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec) so hopefully rarity value will see me through!
I was in to test drive one recently on the back of the aggressive offers they've got on at the moment, the instant torque and acceleration are mind blowing to experience, and the engine seems to rev up and down much quicker than anything I remember so it's a really surreal experience. The EV only mode is actually a plus as well and the transitions are quite smooth. The only downside is that you definitely notice the lack of the V8 as the car doesn't have the depth of sound that you're used toWith the Artura, it is such an incredible car to drive and the hybrid gives you such bandwidth that I just don't consider the depreciation. I just want to drive it and don't care about mileage. It's a car to be used as much as you can, every day.
Maybe that will change and I may be a bit odd in that I see McLaren have sold a boat load of 750s (see my previous post on that) but I don't get it from a driver's perspective. Artura is such a better product.
There is something very weird going on with the view that hybrid is bad / uncool / not supercar / Prius or something. I see it as game changing, but it takes at least 3 test drives to appreciate it!
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec) so hopefully rarity value will see me through!
Edited by gavinp on Thursday 25th April 22:33
gavinp said:
As an existing owner, and one that has lost serious money on 2 McLarens in the past, there is something different this time. With the 570 and the 720 there were flaws like bag of bolts engine noise or noticeable turbo lag that meant the depreciation actually grated over time.
With the Artura, it is such an incredible car to drive and the hybrid gives you such bandwidth that I just don't consider the depreciation. I just want to drive it and don't care about mileage. It's a car to be used as much as you can, every day.
Maybe that will change and I may be a bit odd in that I see McLaren have sold a boat load of 750s (see my previous post on that) but I don't get it from a driver's perspective. Artura is such a better product.
There is something very weird going on with the view that hybrid is bad / uncool / not supercar / Prius or something. I see it as game changing, but it takes at least 3 test drives to appreciate it!
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec) so hopefully rarity value will see me through!
That looks amazing, congratulations. My 12C was white and I loved it. There are some on here saying white McLarens are not popular but I think they are amongst the best looking. Great choice, enjoy.With the Artura, it is such an incredible car to drive and the hybrid gives you such bandwidth that I just don't consider the depreciation. I just want to drive it and don't care about mileage. It's a car to be used as much as you can, every day.
Maybe that will change and I may be a bit odd in that I see McLaren have sold a boat load of 750s (see my previous post on that) but I don't get it from a driver's perspective. Artura is such a better product.
There is something very weird going on with the view that hybrid is bad / uncool / not supercar / Prius or something. I see it as game changing, but it takes at least 3 test drives to appreciate it!
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec) so hopefully rarity value will see me through!
Edited by gavinp on Thursday 25th April 22:33
gavinp said:
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec)
Stormtrooper spec sounds useful.... if you go into a corner a bit hot and say "These are not the barriers you are looking for", it changes direction 
It IS a cool looking car though.
gavinp said:
As an existing owner, and one that has lost serious money on 2 McLarens in the past, there is something different this time. With the 570 and the 720 there were flaws like bag of bolts engine noise or noticeable turbo lag that meant the depreciation actually grated over time.
With the Artura, it is such an incredible car to drive and the hybrid gives you such bandwidth that I just don't consider the depreciation. I just want to drive it and don't care about mileage. It's a car to be used as much as you can, every day.
Maybe that will change and I may be a bit odd in that I see McLaren have sold a boat load of 750s (see my previous post on that) but I don't get it from a driver's perspective. Artura is such a better product.
There is something very weird going on with the view that hybrid is bad / uncool / not supercar / Prius or something. I see it as game changing, but it takes at least 3 test drives to appreciate it!
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec) so hopefully rarity value will see me through!
That’s certainly beautiful car and an interesting perspective. Here’s another.With the Artura, it is such an incredible car to drive and the hybrid gives you such bandwidth that I just don't consider the depreciation. I just want to drive it and don't care about mileage. It's a car to be used as much as you can, every day.
Maybe that will change and I may be a bit odd in that I see McLaren have sold a boat load of 750s (see my previous post on that) but I don't get it from a driver's perspective. Artura is such a better product.
There is something very weird going on with the view that hybrid is bad / uncool / not supercar / Prius or something. I see it as game changing, but it takes at least 3 test drives to appreciate it!
The perversely cool thing is that there are very few Artura's in the UK and I haven't seen another one in Glacier White (Stormtrooper spec) so hopefully rarity value will see me through!
Edited by gavinp on Thursday 25th April 22:33
Consider - If it’s torque and acceleration and wide band of usability that one wants and you don’t mind extra weight and sound quality - I also have a daily commuter EV (now with a track pack) that will blow the doors off the Artura. And a 750s for that matter - even on track (especially if there’s a straight or two
)Adding hybrid complexity and weight to the power train without fundamentally improving the capability of the car is not for me. Anyway, turbo lag is just a good excuse for unnecessary downshifts
Edited by 12pack on Friday 26th April 17:43
12pack said:
That’s certainly beautiful car and an interesting perspective. Here’s another.
Consider - If it’s torque and acceleration and wide band of usability that one wants and you don’t mind extra weight and sound quality - I also have a daily commuter EV (now with a track pack) that will blow the doors off the Artura. And a 750s for that matter - even on track (especially if there’s a straight or two)
Adding hybrid complexity and weight to the power train without fundamentally improving the capability of the car is not for me. Anyway, turbo lag is just a good excuse for unnecessary downshifts
There is going to be a time when we all try the EV Boxster / Alpine / Elise / Caterham V, and it will click. Not a replacement for petrol, but something different and new. Immediate torque means sliding fun and throttle adjustability. That’s something to look forward to. The fact that the Artura is super light in comparison to all in its class, including the red ones (!), shows their future is bright.Consider - If it’s torque and acceleration and wide band of usability that one wants and you don’t mind extra weight and sound quality - I also have a daily commuter EV (now with a track pack) that will blow the doors off the Artura. And a 750s for that matter - even on track (especially if there’s a straight or two
)Adding hybrid complexity and weight to the power train without fundamentally improving the capability of the car is not for me. Anyway, turbo lag is just a good excuse for unnecessary downshifts
Edited by 12pack on Friday 26th April 17:43
But at the same time there will be hydrogen burning combustion engines and synthetic fuels as well. Also something new, but not too new, and we’ll get the petrol like feeling.
The mix of choices is going to be great.
What I have chosen for now is not the fastest of the McLarens but I think the best by a number of measures.
As I mentioned earlier on, the 750 is brilliant, but the fact it tries to kill you with the smallest blip of the throttle in the dry becomes a bit boring after a while.
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