McLaren 675LT or 765LT

[Rocketreid]

Davyt said:

765LT every time, the aging 675LT is a great car but the games moved forward, I seem to remember a Thorny Video where Mr John thought the 720s was the best car at the time, this was before he had the opportunity to drive the 765LT , if the 765LT is 10% better ( as someone has said) than the 720s then it’s a no brainer,, long live the 675LT and all the owners who sail in it,,

Edited by Davyt on Sunday 10th March 21:00

The 675LT has grown on me, I wasn’t particularly enamoured with its design over the newer 720s initially but it does have an enthusiastic following and I think is ageing well.

However There’s no doubt the M840T engine is an improvement over the M838T. Massively torquey and the turbos seem to spool up better, but personal choice etc on the looks of the 2 cars, although the monocoque 2 is far easier to live with day to day and as you state the game has moved on

Edited by Rocketreid on Monday 11th March 10:38

[Wheelspinning]

I think the proof of the pudding is in how many 675 owners have kept their car for far longer than they possibly anticipated, or how many previous owners have went back to Mr Bols to source them another 675 after they sold their 675 for the latest fastest shinier 'supercar'.

The 675 is a P1 without the scary price, the horrendous battery woes or being LHD; it has the iconic Frank Stephenson design and the most satisfyingly minimalist dashboard and binnacle.

Performance wise, at 2.8 to 60, 5.6 to 100 and 7.6 to 124, speed shall only move on with EV supercars.

It also seems to be perhaps the most reliable car McLaren have made; horror stories are extremely few and far between...I couldn't actually find a post on here about corrosion, gearbox, engine, door hinges or electrical issues.

At some point, possibly within 3 years, I think the 675 shall dramatically rise in value and most likely be worth a decent bit more than a 765 based on the above.

The turnaround of 765s seems to indicate they get bought, outrageous speed sampled etc, but due to no real 'love' for the car then get moved on quickly.

Just my viewpoint.

[SSO]

Wheelspinning said:

I think the proof of the pudding is in how many 675 owners have kept their car for far longer than they possibly anticipated, or how many previous owners have went back to Mr Bols to source them another 675 after they sold their 675 for the latest fastest shinier 'supercar'.

The 675 is a P1 without the scary price, the horrendous battery woes or being LHD; it has the iconic Frank Stephenson design and the most satisfyingly minimalist dashboard and binnacle.

Performance wise, at 2.8 to 60, 5.6 to 100 and 7.6 to 124, speed shall only move on with EV supercars.

It also seems to be perhaps the most reliable car McLaren have made; horror stories are extremely few and far between...I couldn't actually find a post on here about corrosion, gearbox, engine, door hinges or electrical issues.

At some point, possibly within 3 years, I think the 675 shall dramatically rise in value and most likely be worth a decent bit more than a 765 based on the above.

The turnaround of 765s seems to indicate they get bought, outrageous speed sampled etc, but due to no real 'love' for the car then get moved on quickly.

Just my viewpoint.

Our 675LT Spider has been the single most reliable car we have ever owned. Never had a single issue and always brilliant to drive.

[Wheelspinning]

SSO said:

Wheelspinning said:

I think the proof of the pudding is in how many 675 owners have kept their car for far longer than they possibly anticipated, or how many previous owners have went back to Mr Bols to source them another 675 after they sold their 675 for the latest fastest shinier 'supercar'.

The 675 is a P1 without the scary price, the horrendous battery woes or being LHD; it has the iconic Frank Stephenson design and the most satisfyingly minimalist dashboard and binnacle.

Performance wise, at 2.8 to 60, 5.6 to 100 and 7.6 to 124, speed shall only move on with EV supercars.

It also seems to be perhaps the most reliable car McLaren have made; horror stories are extremely few and far between...I couldn't actually find a post on here about corrosion, gearbox, engine, door hinges or electrical issues.

At some point, possibly within 3 years, I think the 675 shall dramatically rise in value and most likely be worth a decent bit more than a 765 based on the above.

The turnaround of 765s seems to indicate they get bought, outrageous speed sampled etc, but due to no real 'love' for the car then get moved on quickly.

Just my viewpoint.

Our 675LT Spider has been the single most reliable car we have ever owned. Never had a single issue and always brilliant to drive.

[Rocketreid]

Wheelspinning said:

I think the proof of the pudding is in how many 675 owners have kept their car for far longer than they possibly anticipated, or how many previous owners have went back to Mr Bols to source them another 675 after they sold their 675 for the latest fastest shinier 'supercar'.

The 675 is a P1 without the scary price, the horrendous battery woes or being LHD; it has the iconic Frank Stephenson design and the most satisfyingly minimalist dashboard and binnacle.

Performance wise, at 2.8 to 60, 5.6 to 100 and 7.6 to 124, speed shall only move on with EV supercars.

It also seems to be perhaps the most reliable car McLaren have made; horror stories are extremely few and far between...I couldn't actually find a post on here about corrosion, gearbox, engine, door hinges or electrical issues.

At some point, possibly within 3 years, I think the 675 shall dramatically rise in value and most likely be worth a decent bit more than a 765 based on the above.

The turnaround of 765s seems to indicate they get bought, outrageous speed sampled etc, but due to no real 'love' for the car then get moved on quickly.

Just my viewpoint.

Not sure on your facts about the 765LT turnaround, in fact I think it’s the complete opposite, folks are holding onto them with only a handful for sale at any one time, similar to the 675

[Wheelspinning]

Rocketreid said:

Not sure on your facts about the 765LT turnaround, in fact I think it’s the complete opposite, folks are holding onto them with only a handful for sale at any one time, similar to the 675

Did you buy your 765 new or was there a previous owner(s)?

Almost every single 765 currently for sale has had at least one previous owner; some 2 or 3.

That's a turnaround in 2 years.

675s were launched in 2015.

The 675s currently for sale are on the original owner or 2nd. AB has one with 4 owners which I haven't seen before.

My '17 675 was owned by 1st owner for nearly 4 years, and me for nearly 3.

675s tend to be kept hold of.

[captainblakk]

I’m the 2nd owner of my 765, I was the 3rd owner of my 675 roof scoop coupe, the owner after me didn’t really gel and went back to his GT2 RS, the 5th owner has enjoyed it for a while, but I believe it is coming back to market soon
I think these types of cars, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc, can just rack up the owners due to their aspirational nature

[Rocketreid]

[quote=Wheelspinning]

Did you buy your 765 new or was there a previous owner(s)?

Almost every single 765 currently for sale has had at least one previous owner; some 2 or 3.

That's a turnaround in 2 years.

675s were launched in 2015.

The 675s currently for sale are on the original owner or 2nd. AB has one with 4 owners which I haven't seen before.

My '17 675 was owned by 1st owner for nearly 4 years, and me for nearly 3.

675s tend to be kept hold of.


I am the 2nd owner, and all of the 765 owners I am aware of have been owned from new.

As with all new models you get flippers and others who do not gel

The previous owner to mine sold it after owning a 720s. The 765 LT was in his words too brutal and fast.

The reality is the 765LT is ballistic which for some is too much.

The 675LT hasn’t got that ( yet to try a 765 and 675 back to back on track ) and possibly suited to more folks

[Wheelspinning]

Here is the thing.

If you only have a 765, you are almost certainly say its far superior, and likewise, if you only have a 675, you shall post its a better car than the newcomer.

As I have posted previously, the DP of my McLaren dealership has constant access to each of the owners cars from carbon P1 straight through to Carbon speed tail, and still says the standout all rounder is the 675.

SSO who posted earlier has had a P1, still has a Senna, 675 & 765.

He seems to rate the 675 as the go-to also.

However, I remember reading Bispals posts about his 675 back when I still had my 650, and thinking there was no way the 675 could warrant the delta between it and the 650; I was completely wrong.

Maybe the delta between the 675 and 765 is worth it....maybe not.

For myself, its a scratch that I don't feel the need to itch.

The aesthetics of the 675 do it for me all day long.

[Bispal]

Wheelspinning said:

Here is the thing.

If you only have a 765, you are almost certainly say its far superior, and likewise, if you only have a 675, you shall post its a better car than the newcomer.

As I have posted previously, the DP of my McLaren dealership has constant access to each of the owners cars from carbon P1 straight through to Carbon speed tail, and still says the standout all rounder is the 675.

SSO who posted earlier has had a P1, still has a Senna, 675 & 765.

He seems to rate the 675 as the go-to also.

However, I remember reading Bispals posts about his 675 back when I still had my 650, and thinking there was no way the 675 could warrant the delta between it and the 650; I was completely wrong.

Maybe the delta between the 675 and 765 is worth it....maybe not.

For myself, its a scratch that I don't feel the need to itch.

The aesthetics of the 675 do it for me all day long.

Exactly. I remember driving a 720 when they first came out. I sat in it and the interior did nothing for me, all digital, over designed with swoops and multi colours and trying too hard. I just couldn't sit in it as my eyes hurt. I appreciate that design is very subjective and many feel the other way and that's fair enough.

The 765LT is a 720s which is trying even harder. The P11 cars have an effortless, classic design & ethos which just appeals to me. Ron Dennis brief was a supercar in a Saville Row suit for the P11 cars, something you could use and wasn't 'shouty' just stylish, fast & sophisticated.

When Ron left the design and ethos changed to appeal more to Ferrari & Lamborghini owners and McLaren lost its way a little. IMHO.

Also one of the main differences between 675LT and 765LT is in the development drivers. The 675LT used Chris Goodwin and the 765LT Kenny Brack. They have very different driving styles and preferences and this is mainly why the cars feel different.

[Rocketreid]

Wheelspinning said:

Here is the thing.

If you only have a 765, you are almost certainly say its far superior, and likewise, if you only have a 675, you shall post its a better car than the newcomer.

As I have posted previously, the DP of my McLaren dealership has constant access to each of the owners cars from carbon P1 straight through to Carbon speed tail, and still says the standout all rounder is the 675.

SSO who posted earlier has had a P1, still has a Senna, 675 & 765.

He seems to rate the 675 as the go-to also.

However, I remember reading Bispals posts about his 675 back when I still had my 650, and thinking there was no way the 675 could warrant the delta between it and the 650; I was completely wrong.

Maybe the delta between the 675 and 765 is worth it....maybe not.

For myself, its a scratch that I don't feel the need to itch.

The aesthetics of the 675 do it for me all day long.

That’s all that matters really, being what you prefer, no right or wrong. Everyone has their preferences.

Some folks will prefer the newer, faster model etc albeit at an additional cost. For me the advances in the technology in the 7 series was and is important over the 6.

If I sell my 720s, it would be good to add a 675 to my 765, but as I track cars, i would like to drive a 675 at Silverstone or Donny to compare

[Rocketreid]

Bispal said:

Exactly. I remember driving a 720 when they first came out. I sat in it and the interior did nothing for me, all digital, over designed with swoops and multi colours and trying too hard. I just couldn't sit in it as my eyes hurt. I appreciate that design is very subjective and many feel the other way and that's fair enough.

The 765LT is a 720s which is trying even harder. The P11 cars have an effortless, classic design & ethos which just appeals to me. Ron Dennis brief was a supercar in a Saville Row suit for the P11 cars, something you could use and wasn't 'shouty' just stylish, fast & sophisticated.

When Ron left the design and ethos changed to appeal more to Ferrari & Lamborghini owners and McLaren lost its way a little. IMHO.

Also one of the main differences between 675LT and 765LT is in the development drivers. The 675LT used Chris Goodwin and the 765LT Kenny Brack. They have very different driving styles and preferences and this is mainly why the cars feel different.

Not sure the driving styles are so different, imo it’s the advances in the technology used. Different monocoque, allowing different suspension set up, higher downforce and more powerful/torquier engine.

Driving them back to back on road they both feel same DNA and the performance difference is there but within legal speeds not that relevant.

On track is where the 2 will differ imo, although most LT owners may never experience this but certainly should

[Bispal]

Rocketreid said:

Not sure the driving styles are so different, imo it’s the advances in the technology used. Different monocoque, allowing different suspension set up, higher downforce and more powerful/torquier engine.

Driving them back to back on road they both feel same DNA and the performance difference is there but within legal speeds not that relevant.

On track is where the 2 will differ imo, although most LT owners may never experience this but certainly should

From what I have been told the driving styles of Kenny Brack & Chris Goodwin are very different. Kenny Brack is an all out driver, the car is a tool, it just needs to go very fast and he will deal with the rest. Chris Goodwin is about the feel & feedback, steering / brake modulation etc. And is a fan of older cars with a mechanical feel. He probably prefers a car set up a particular way to suit his style. There is a 'Chris Goodwin' spec 675LT as the club-sport Pro pack was specified by him. I don't think there is Kenny Brack pack for the 765LT? Both definitely endued each car with their individual character. But as we always agree, there is a saddle for every arse and you need to pick the one that suits you, there is no wrong answer just personal preference

[Streetbeat]

Wheelspinning said:

Here is the thing.

If you only have a 765, you are almost certainly say its far superior, and likewise, if you only have a 675, you shall post its a better car than the newcomer.

And how do you define better/superior, on most metrics its going to be performance, lap times and handling and in that respect regardless of which ever one you may own, the 765 will be better/superior which is just factual.

Everything else is just subjective, looks, interior etc, the 675 may well be the better/superior car for "the owner" but that does not make it the better car.

[Bispal]

Streetbeat said:

Wheelspinning said:

Here is the thing.

If you only have a 765, you are almost certainly say its far superior, and likewise, if you only have a 675, you shall post its a better car than the newcomer.

And how do you define better/superior, on most metrics its going to be performance, lap times and handling and in that respect regardless of which ever one you may own, the 765 will be better/superior which is just factual.

Everything else is just subjective, looks, interior etc, the 675 may well be the better/superior car for "the owner" but that does not make it the better car.

Surely it depends if you prioritise speed / performance over engagement & feedback. Following your logic we would all be raving about and driving Tesla Plaids instead of lusting after mezger engined GT3's and 458 speciale's? But yes it is all subjective and a few tenths of a second is not much when there are other variables.

[Rocketreid]

Bispal said:

Surely it depends if you prioritise speed / performance over engagement & feedback. Following your logic we would all be raving about and driving Tesla Plaids instead of lusting after mezger engined GT3's and 458 speciale's? But yes it is all subjective and a few tenths of a second is not much when there are other variables.

Not sure of your logic there.

If you have never driven a 765LT how would you know if it is more or less engaging than a 675LT ?

My limited road driving of both is they both offer high engagement and feedback

[Wheelspinning]

Streetbeat said:

And how do you define better/superior, on most metrics its going to be performance, lap times and handling and in that respect regardless of which ever one you may own, the 765 will be better/superior which is just factual.

Everything else is just subjective, looks, interior etc, the 675 may well be the better/superior car for "the owner" but that does not make it the better car.

Personally, I buy whatever I have based on the 'full picture'.

Everything else isn't 'subjective'; its all going to be taken into account.

Last week, i just declined my long ago ordered 'perfect spec' SV Range Rover as it has finally arrived but has turned up with the new 'better / superior' spec with the the usual unbelievably easy to use dials removed and now moved onto the tablet whereby you have to scroll through multiple layers on the screen whilst trying to drive just to put the heated seats etc on.

Better? Not for myself or my missus so now trying to locate an unregistered Velocity Blue SV with the set up that has been the staple for ages including the last 2 recent Rangeys I have had that are were new design.

Again, that's following a Tesla design, and every single review of this 'upgrade' has been met with the thumbs down from the motoring press.

Performance, handling and lap times are so negligible between them, so yes, everything else is taken into consideration; aesthetics of interior and exterior, and simplicity of the ergonomics.

Gordon Murray is also pretty big on that.

As I posted before, the most informed view you shall get is from SSO, and personally for me, the DP I said that has unlimited access to P1, 675, 765, Senna and speed tail.

Having constant access to both for comparison and how each car makes you feel is the only real gauge; newer/better is never a given to base something as superior.

Personally, I have toyed a few times with replacing my 675LTS with a 765LTS, but the feeling that I would move back to a 675 is very strong.

[Streetbeat]

Bispal said:

Surely it depends if you prioritise speed / performance over engagement & feedback. Following your logic we would all be raving about and driving Tesla Plaids instead of lusting after mezger engined GT3's and 458 speciale's? But yes it is all subjective and a few tenths of a second is not much when there are other variables.

So you are saying a 765lt doesnt have engagement and feedback.......right oh

A Tesla Plaid wouldnt see which way any Mclaren went if you throw in some corners, i dont think anyone buys a Mclaren for its straight line speed, so a pretty useless comparison.

You are right a few thenths in neither here nor there (straight line performance), ive argued that myself but you are seriosuly understimating the 765 if you believe its a few tenths where it matters (on the track).

[Streetbeat]

Wheelspinning said:

Performance, handling and lap times are so negligible between them

As above, your in the Bispal camp, 115hp & 75ft lb more, near identical weight, more aero, better brakes, not a chance it would be negliable on lap times.

[RBT0]

I have a RR Sport with latest tablet screen and no dials.

Trust me, it’ll take 30 min to get used then you don’t want to go back, it’s so easy to use and set up. And interior looks sleek.