McLaren 675LT or 765LT
Discussion
RBT0 said:
I have a RR Sport with latest tablet screen and no dials.
Trust me, it’ll take 30 min to get used then you don’t want to go back, it’s so easy to use and set up. And interior looks sleek.
Each to their own, not for me I much prefer dials. I've driven plenty of digital 'Tandy' dash cars. And I like very plain design, no swoops, off centre protruding humps (sat nav), curving stripes. Trust me, it’ll take 30 min to get used then you don’t want to go back, it’s so easy to use and set up. And interior looks sleek.
Rocketreid said:
Bispal said:
Surely it depends if you prioritise speed / performance over engagement & feedback. Following your logic we would all be raving about and driving Tesla Plaids instead of lusting after mezger engined GT3's and 458 speciale's? But yes it is all subjective and a few tenths of a second is not much when there are other variables.
Not sure of your logic there.If you have never driven a 765LT how would you know if it is more or less engaging than a 675LT ?
My limited road driving of both is they both offer high engagement and feedback
When I saw the 675LT at the Geneva motorshow I had an F40 moment. Its the only supercar I have wanted since the F40 and no other supercar really does it for me. In fact, generally, I have zero interest in supercars and much prefer sports cars like the original MX5, Elise S1 and Boxster. I'm not a supercar / hypercar fan, I just like the 675LT, how it looks and how it drives. It will remain with me, along with my Mk1 MX5, as long as I am able to drive. I doubt that there will be a new supercar produced, here on, that will tickle my fancy.
So I don't mind if the 765LT is objectively better, it should be, and I want McLaren to great things and make great cars so they have to 'progress' . I admit I'm an outlier so my opinions are not mainstream, but hopefully show that there is a fan base for the 675LT which may have no objective merit but subjectively I hope my views are interesting to some.
If anyone wants to offer me a drive in a 765LT I would be more than happy to have a go
Streetbeat said:
Wheelspinning said:
Performance, handling and lap times are so negligible between them
As above, your in the Bispal camp, 115hp & 75ft lb more, near identical weight, more aero, better brakes, not a chance it would be negliable on lap times.For those that do, the tiny % of time they are used on the track, the very small difference in the times I doubt would be the deciding factor between buying a 675 or 765.
Wheelspinning said:
I don't track my 675, so not really a relevant comparison to myself.
For those that do, the tiny % of time they are used on the track, the very small difference in the times I doubt would be the deciding factor between buying a 675 or 765.
What small difference in times? I know youve quoted fastest laps before, 6 seconds at Buntonwillow, that isnt small by any stretch of ones imagination. For those that do, the tiny % of time they are used on the track, the very small difference in the times I doubt would be the deciding factor between buying a 675 or 765.
Tiny % used on track, how do you know?
Bispal said:
You are of course right, I do need to have a go in a 765LT, however I still wouldn't own one, even if it is better,
If anyone wants to offer me a drive in a 765LT I would be more than happy to have a go
Horses for Courses and 675 owners are pretty vociferous in their defence. If anyone wants to offer me a drive in a 765LT I would be more than happy to have a go
For me the on road comparison of the 675 is it’s probably a slightly more relaxed drive although it does not quite have the 765’s composure or ballistic acceleration.
Of course it is compromised now in comparison, as older tech etc, but the P1 dna does make it a special car with character, and for those who prefer spiders a fantastic car to waft around in.
You rarely see either models tracked with any intent and for that reason a 570 or 720s is probably more suited to most folks imo.
But hey If you want to offer me yours for me to track it you could have mine on road, although I think that’s probably unlikely
Edited by Rocketreid on Friday 22 March 13:45
Wheelspinning said:
I don't track my 675, so not really a relevant comparison to myself.
For those that do, the tiny % of time they are used on the track, the very small difference in the times I doubt would be the deciding factor between buying a 675 or 765.
You are missing out ! although you may have other cars to do so.For those that do, the tiny % of time they are used on the track, the very small difference in the times I doubt would be the deciding factor between buying a 675 or 765.
My belief is the LT models can only be fully exploited and for me enjoyed by occasional tracking, it’s what they were made for but everyone to their own.
Hoping to give mine a shakedown at Silverstone this weekend so if anyone has a 675 to bring along !!!
Streetbeat said:
What small difference in times? I know youve quoted fastest laps before, 6 seconds at Buntonwillow, that isnt small by any stretch of ones imagination.
Tiny % used on track, how do you know?
I'm pretty sure I havn't quoted any lap times, but I did quote the acceleration times with 0.6 of a second difference 0-124.Tiny % used on track, how do you know?
You seem to be basing much of your opinions on how they compare on track; I would feel confident that almost every 675 owners would have no interest in the difference of lap times, as of the 4 owners I know and certainly the 3 that are posting on here, none of them use the 675 on the track; the ones that do trackdays I know have a specific track car that they trailer there.
Replacing the front carbon spoiler and splitter would be around £15k, and the discs and pads are not that far behind, so a trackday in a 675 could end up being a tad expensive, or even more so if you stuff it like that 675 that reappears for sale every so often that had an 'off' on a track day an now aligns up like a Picasso.
There are less than 70 675LT spiders in the UK now, I cannot remember the last time I seen one on a trackday, so I base my %'s on that and the info I put above.
By all accounts, feel free to keep banging on about track times if that's important to you; it doesn't seem to be to most owners.
Streetbeat said:
Wheelspinning said:
Performance, handling and lap times are so negligible between them
As above, your in the Bispal camp, 115hp & 75ft lb more, near identical weight, more aero, better brakes, not a chance it would be negliable on lap times.They are a track biased car, designed to be fast round track, use it how you want, but thats the metric of their design.
The reality is any car over £150k is tricky to track these days given the cost of trackday insurance etc...I go without on my 600 but drive well within my limits but even at that not sure I'd risk it if car was worth £250k. Seems like a circular thread at this point in raw performance terms 765 is the winner but from my experience of the 600LT I've no doubt that both 765 and 675 are epic bits of kit.
Streetbeat said:
I will just refer you back to this, so is 6 seconds negliable? Im sure i know your answer to that, anything to justify your 675lt drum banging.
They are a track biased car, designed to be fast round track, use it how you want, but thats the metric of their design.
You are like a broken record.They are a track biased car, designed to be fast round track, use it how you want, but thats the metric of their design.
I don't know how many times it has to be stated that myself and the other 675 owners that have so far posted on here don't track the cars so the track times are of no relevance to anyone apart from you...and I am guessing you don't own one.
It's not a track biased car, as it doesn't have the traits such as a gt3rs that make it an uncomfortable daily.
It's a supercar that can be used as a daily that happens to be pretty handy on the track in its standard form.
That's what myself and other owners are putting forward; it matters not a jot about the track times you keep posting as it seems none of us track them.
But as I said before, you keep banging on about lap times if that's really important to you, but please don't draw me into your views as they do not align with mine.
Wheelspinning said:
You are like a broken record.
I don't know how many times it has to be stated that myself and the other 675 owners that have so far posted on here don't track the cars so the track times are of no relevance to anyone apart from you...and I am guessing you don't own one.
It's not a track biased car, as it doesn't have the traits such as a gt3rs that make it an uncomfortable daily.
It's a supercar that can be used as a daily that happens to be pretty handy on the track in its standard form.
That's what myself and other owners are putting forward; it matters not a jot about the track times you keep posting as it seems none of us track them.
But as I said before, you keep banging on about lap times if that's really important to you, but please don't draw me into your views as they do not align with mine.
Chill out chap !I don't know how many times it has to be stated that myself and the other 675 owners that have so far posted on here don't track the cars so the track times are of no relevance to anyone apart from you...and I am guessing you don't own one.
It's not a track biased car, as it doesn't have the traits such as a gt3rs that make it an uncomfortable daily.
It's a supercar that can be used as a daily that happens to be pretty handy on the track in its standard form.
That's what myself and other owners are putting forward; it matters not a jot about the track times you keep posting as it seems none of us track them.
But as I said before, you keep banging on about lap times if that's really important to you, but please don't draw me into your views as they do not align with mine.
So you don’t want to track your 675LT, fair enough. However they are LT’s and not mainstream models so it’s a fair point to mention track times etc.
Actually I think demographically owners of 675’s are not folks in their first flush, from my experience, and some will have other track focussed cars.
Some however are happy to track them, particularly on Greystone or the Pirelli days but do a few laps and then have a cappuccino.
If you enjoy your car as solely a road car, you are as stated before missing out on so much of the 675’s dna
If it was someone else's 675 and they were picking up the bill for tyres, brakes or a shunt, yeah, I would be more than happy to thrash it to get the best possible times; however it isn't so I don't.
As you say, on track is a part of the 675s dna, but only as you say a part, and it's not something I feel I am missing out on.
Some 675s sit under a cover and do a few hundred miles a year; I use mines very regularly for decent trips and also for picking up a takeaway.
The above along with the aesthetics and the ethos of the car is what does it for myself and most other owners I know.
To focus on it being a bit slower on a hypothetical lap time with different drivers, conditions, tyres etc and basing that on what the better car is a pointless gauge.
The 765 should be quicker and sharper handling as it's the next evolution and 7 years of newer tech; thats a given.
As is discussed, that is to me only a very small part of making the choice between a 675 and 765.
After 7 years, I still find the 720/765 aesthetics challenging to look at; sometimes I like the looks, other times I don't.
I have yet to look at a 675 and not find it so elegant from any given angle, and the interior is all you want and nothing more.
That's what's important to me; not what time it may or may not do on a track.
As you say, on track is a part of the 675s dna, but only as you say a part, and it's not something I feel I am missing out on.
Some 675s sit under a cover and do a few hundred miles a year; I use mines very regularly for decent trips and also for picking up a takeaway.
The above along with the aesthetics and the ethos of the car is what does it for myself and most other owners I know.
To focus on it being a bit slower on a hypothetical lap time with different drivers, conditions, tyres etc and basing that on what the better car is a pointless gauge.
The 765 should be quicker and sharper handling as it's the next evolution and 7 years of newer tech; thats a given.
As is discussed, that is to me only a very small part of making the choice between a 675 and 765.
After 7 years, I still find the 720/765 aesthetics challenging to look at; sometimes I like the looks, other times I don't.
I have yet to look at a 675 and not find it so elegant from any given angle, and the interior is all you want and nothing more.
That's what's important to me; not what time it may or may not do on a track.
Personally having owned both, I wouldn’t go back to the previous platform, apart from the pace and driving dynamics, just the little things like the slow axle lift, ease of getting in and out due to the development of the tub, comparing P1 to the Senna’s in the 765,
And my biggest gripe the turning circle, or lack of should I say, made it feel unwieldy to manoeuvre, what with the wider track and being lower, they must have really put some big lock stops in to prevent tyre body contact on full lock
And my biggest gripe the turning circle, or lack of should I say, made it feel unwieldy to manoeuvre, what with the wider track and being lower, they must have really put some big lock stops in to prevent tyre body contact on full lock
Wheelspinning said:
You are like a broken record.
I don't know how many times it has to be stated that myself and the other 675 owners that have so far posted on here don't track the cars so the track times are of no relevance to anyone apart from you...and I am guessing you don't own one.
It's not a track biased car, as it doesn't have the traits such as a gt3rs that make it an uncomfortable daily.
It's a supercar that can be used as a daily that happens to be pretty handy on the track in its standard form.
That's what myself and other owners are putting forward; it matters not a jot about the track times you keep posting as it seems none of us track them.
But as I said before, you keep banging on about lap times if that's really important to you, but please don't draw me into your views as they do not align with mine.
I think you need ro read the Mclaren press release: I don't know how many times it has to be stated that myself and the other 675 owners that have so far posted on here don't track the cars so the track times are of no relevance to anyone apart from you...and I am guessing you don't own one.
It's not a track biased car, as it doesn't have the traits such as a gt3rs that make it an uncomfortable daily.
It's a supercar that can be used as a daily that happens to be pretty handy on the track in its standard form.
That's what myself and other owners are putting forward; it matters not a jot about the track times you keep posting as it seems none of us track them.
But as I said before, you keep banging on about lap times if that's really important to you, but please don't draw me into your views as they do not align with mine.
40% more downforce
100Kg lighter
Trofeo tyres
Most driver focussed
Not a track biased car.......i bet al that 40% extra downforce and track rubber really helps on the road
The "others" you mention on here include Bispal, thats it, lap times arent relevant to you and "others" we get it, but that is its metric whether you like it or not, i have zero interest in aligning your views, but facts are facts.
I know you boys like to think you have the holy grail of Mclarens and are so keen to tap away at those keys whenever someone suggests otherwise and no i dont own one, but its an absolutely irrelevant point to the discussion other than again to think you sit on some lofty Mclaren owners perch.
I am happy to say i could at the time only afford a lowly 570s but im sure that car was put through its paces way more than your 675lt and its performance explored and experienced to justify a decent opinion on the joys of Mclaren ownership and their merits rather than just talking about it
Edited by Streetbeat on Sunday 24th March 09:43
Streetbeat said:
I am happy to say i could at the time only afford a lowly 570s but im sure that car was put through its paces way more than your 675lt and its performance explored and experienced to justify a decent opinion on the joys of Mclaren ownership and their merits rather than just talking about it
Aww....well done you....something to tell the grandkids I guess.Edited by Streetbeat on Sunday 24th March 09:43
I will go and drive a few of the amazing NC500 roads today roof down with my missus and try and get over the fact that a 765 is quicker on some track that I have never heard of.....
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