650S prices

[Streetbeat]

Ken_Code said:

They couldn’t collect for a month, during which it sat in a heated garage, not moving, so when it arrived at the workshop it was a week out of warranty and therefore the failed accumulators weren’t covered.

Had they previously acknowledged the fault?

Either way it doesnt make much difference, if you called them within the warranty period and they failed to collect i shouldnt think they have a leg to stand on, shame it has to be a battle though.

[Wheelspinning]

Sarnie said:

akadk said:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024020261...

This looks like a bargain

Seems like 650S have dropped £15-£20k in a year

Back to 2021 prices

It's cheap because it's brown.

Volcano Orange is possibly my most favourite colour on McLarens.

It seemed to change colour all day long on my 650 and at dusk it does indeed look like a stunning golden brown.

On another note, any McLaren paintshop can do a perfect match if required.

I had the wings and bonnet replaced due to the 'reaction' and the new painted panels were spot on without any blowing in etc.

I had read posts before that stated the Volcano colours were very hard to work with which is a myth if you have access to the paint codes, which only McLaren do.

I have never seen Papya Spark in the flesh...how is that colour?

Edited to add....for anyone considering a 650; do it.

My introduction into McLaren super series changed my definition of how comfort, warp speed, looks and roof down motoring with zero scuttle shake can be achieved.

With V engineering turning the running costs on its head, the worries and £5k warranty as a 'must have' are vastly reduced.

I now feel as though if a car I was considering buying was being maintained by V, I would consider it as possibly being in better shape than what some of the mac main dealers churn out.

Edited by Wheelspinning on Sunday 31st March 11:12

[Streetbeat]

Wheelspinning said:

I had read posts before that stated the Volcano colours were very hard to work with which is a myth if you have access to the paint codes, which only McLaren do.

Any spray shop that uses AkzoNobel mixing equipment has the codes (or most of) as that is the brand of paint Mclaren uses, its just an internet myth only Mclaren have them.

[Wheelspinning]

Streetbeat said:

Wheelspinning said:

I had read posts before that stated the Volcano colours were very hard to work with which is a myth if you have access to the paint codes, which only McLaren do.

Any spray shop that uses AkzoNobel mixing equipment has the codes (or most of) as that is the brand of paint Mclaren uses, its just an internet myth only Mclaren have them.

My previously mentioned 650 spider had a rear cheek that was repaired by a specialist that claimed exactly that.

The match was close, but not close enough.

McLaren own the rights to the paint codes and the paint manufacturer are tied to the the agreements signed and only supply McLaren.

In the case of when the wings and bonnet were replaced, Woking sent up the exact amount of paint calculated for the repair; they do not send up tins etc, and if you are lucky they might give you a few ml for touching up but it is a disciplinary offence.

I had a bonnet repainted by McLaren 8 weeks ago, and it was exactly the same process for napier green; the exact amount of paint sent by Woking...it doesn't come direct from the paint manufacturer to the bodyshop.

The cost of McLaren to do the repair was a great price; I doubt it would be a huge premium compared to anywhere else and it's a guaranteed 100% match.

[Streetbeat]

I had my front bumper and rear cheek done on my 570s, elite paint (ceramic grey), perfect match, he had the codes to mix it, he uses AkzoNobel mixing equipment so make of that what you will, lets not make an argument out of this too ffs its getting boring

[Frankychops]

Just to add, I had a company who do mclaren repair work quote to fix a few stone chips, which effectively was wings/bumper/bonnet, all in volcano red. the cost was half of going through a mclaren dealer, when the works done at the same place.

I've spoken to another 2 who can do the same. I guess what was once 'true' is no longer correct.

[Wheelspinning]

Frankychops said:

Just to add, I had a company who do mclaren repair work quote to fix a few stone chips, which effectively was wings/bumper/bonnet, all in volcano red. the cost was half of going through a mclaren dealer, when the works done at the same place.

I've spoken to another 2 who can do the same. I guess what was once 'true' is no longer correct.

If they are sanctioned to do McLaren paintwork, they have the access to the correct paint.

You do not have to go through a dealer to have work undertaken by an authorised paintshop unless you are making a warranty claim.

There are more authorised paint shops out there now, and the prices are generally within the ballpark of a non approved specialist with access to 'some' of the paints; if they don't have access to them all, they aren't approved.

I was just over £600 inc vat to have the McLaren approved paintshop to remove the bonnet, remove the PPF, rectify the 'paint reaction' paint in napier green, refit and then offer a guarantee on the paint reaction returning.

The PPF was £580 to replace.

I cannot see any advantage to go to someone who has access to some of the 'correct' paint over a McLaren approved paint shop.

I'm sure the local expert on every topic shall have an opinion on this though.

[Chrism355]

The whole paint code thing relates to the early MP4’s, when first launched McLaren used a different paint manufacturer and did indeed keep the codes to themselves, all part of Ron Dennis’s obsession with controlling everything McLaren, however, they had a lot of quality issues with the supplier so moved over to AkzoNobel but lost “control” of the paint codes

[Frankychops]

Wheelspinning said:

If they are sanctioned to do McLaren paintwork, they have the access to the correct paint.

You do not have to go through a dealer to have work undertaken by an authorised paintshop unless you are making a warranty claim.

There are more authorised paint shops out there now, and the prices are generally within the ballpark of a non approved specialist with access to 'some' of the paints; if they don't have access to them all, they aren't approved.

I was just over £600 inc vat to have the McLaren approved paintshop to remove the bonnet, remove the PPF, rectify the 'paint reaction' paint in napier green, refit and then offer a guarantee on the paint reaction returning.

The PPF was £580 to replace.

I cannot see any advantage to go to someone who has access to some of the 'correct' paint over a McLaren approved paint shop.

I'm sure the local expert on every topic shall have an opinion on this though.

I was told with volcano it’d need all the front panels done.

Who did you use for that paint?

I guess the big question is, who is the local expert!?

[Wheelspinning]

Frankychops said:

I was told with volcano it’d need all the front panels done.

Who did you use for that paint?

I guess the big question is, who is the local expert!?

It was the was the Mac approved paintshop which I think is owned by the Park group who also own the only dealership up here thats located in Glasgow.

They were that confident of a perfect match, with the rear cheek they told me to remove it and send it to them through the internal dealer service dept.

Upon being sent back and refitted it was indeed perfect.

[Grey_Area]

Paint codes aren't really a trade secret like they probably used to be, so much so that I have a whole series of them.

Saros Grey 04519
Cirrus Grey 84583
Azura Blue 64611
Burton Blue 69661

For example.

[Sarnie]

Volcano orange 3322
Volcano red 4322
Azure blue 6211
Sapphire black 9212
Mclaren orange 3211
Carbon black 9211
Ice silver 0311
Titanium silver 8211
Graphite grey 8212
Fire black 7311
Pearl white 1312
Volcano yellow 2414
Palladium grey 8113
Mantis green PPG 941562
Vega blue PPG 976564
Papaya orange 3965
Storm grey MCL846127
Fire black MCL7311
Vermillion red MCL43526
Blade silver MCL0259
Supernova silver MCL0312
Silica white 1257
Standard white MCL1111
Onyx black 92525
Dark Palladium 8414
Sicilian Yellow MCL24520
Lime Green 54562
Volcano Blue 64517
Saros Grey 04519
Cirrus Grey 84583
Azura Blue 64611
Burton Blue 69661
Lux Blue 646146
Borealis 94668
Violet Blue 646144
Chicane 84574/P13R
Mayan Orange 39617/P13R
Bombay Blue 646145
Solar Yellow 2968
Ember Orange 34555
Mira Orange 34635
Amber Red 44576
Ventura Orange 39621
Tarocco Orange 3634
Super Titanium 0527
Flux Silver 9620
SLR Blue 6918
Tokyo Cyan 645163
Victory Grey 84572
Papaya Spark 3965
Caliber Black 94562
Solis 4520
Pacific Blue 62531
Napier Green 24517
Laurel Green MCL5000/MSO
Ludus Blue 645162
Pure White 14539
Argon 84663
Hermatite Orange 44572
Nardo Orange 34652
Glacier White 14623
Cosmos 94555
Anthracite Blue 645172
Cobolt Violet 42527
Anniversary Orange 39538
Helios Orange 34544
Blade Silver 0259
Atlantic Blue 696130
Mexico Blue 69110
Belize 646143
Serpentine 54556
Alaskan Diamond 19616
Amaranth 44573
Curacao 62532
Polaris Blue 89658
Aztek gold 4523
Vega Blue 645100
Quarz 44575
Viridian Green 54578
Delta Red 44554
Blue 64510
Memphis Red 44574
Chicane Grey 84546
Plateaux Blue 64585
Teal 64561
Fistral Blue 69649
Acid Yellow 29610
Kayanos Blue 645121
Bourbon Brown 7351
Zest 54672
Azores 34529
Luminare Green 54547
Zenith Black 99653
Mauvine 49635
Hello Green 59650
Scilian Yellow 24520
XP Green 59635
Dove Grey 89667
Nerallo Red 94564
Abyss Black 99654
Sarthe Grey 89652
Ceramic Grey 89655
Mauvine Blue 49636
Smoked White 14541
Fire Black 9914
Muriwai White 19537
Cerulean Blue 69618
Kilo Grey 89645
Paris Blue 69611
Black Ingot 94666
Burnished Copper 4524
Lantana Purple 49628

[Grey_Area]

Looks pretty much like my list.....

[Streetbeat]

Wheelspinning said:

I'm sure the local expert on every topic shall have an opinion on this though.

So as i said the codes are no secret, as per Sarnies post, im not offering an opinion, just facts, you really need to understand there is a difference between the two and spouting nonsense like Mclaren supply the exact amount of paint for each job to their approved bodyshop, is simply not true.

Keep cracking on with your opinions, but its really not helpfully to Mclaren owners or future owners who might read your un true ramblings!

[Wheelspinning]

Streetbeat said:

Wheelspinning said:

I'm sure the local expert on every topic shall have an opinion on this though.

So as i said the codes are no secret, as per Sarnies post, im not offering an opinion, just facts, you really need to understand there is a difference between the two and spouting nonsense like Mclaren supply the exact amount of paint for each job to their approved bodyshop, is simply not true.

Keep cracking on with your opinions, but its really not helpfully to Mclaren owners or future owners who might read your un true ramblings!

Again, you talk about something you have no experience of.

You have used someone that's not McLaren approved to try and save yourself a few quid; well done you.

You can post that info on your non approved experience as fact until your hearts content.

A McLaren approved workshop makes a job card and requests the paint required from Woking; they send not a tin, but the amount that is required for the job; no more, no less.

If an employee hands out a tub of that paint as a touch up for a customer, it's a disciplinary offence.

I have that in email from the approved McLaren paintshop manager from the first time I requested about 5 years ago and the last time around 6 weeks ago; bizarre you know more about those policies than he does.

I am posting how a McLaren approved paintshop works; I have also pointed out what the cost for an approved shop to repaint a bonnet on a heritage MSO colour, which was around the same as a non approved paintshop, but with the added benefits that come with 'approved'.

I have also posted that my previous VO 650spider had a rear cheek repair before by a fantastic paintshop that 'had access to the codes' and it was close, but not close enough and I ended up sending to to McLaren to have painted again.

That, I feel, is pretty beneficial to any current owners or future owners worried about potential paintwork repairs, expecially on volcano, heritage or MSO colours.

Personally, if its pretty near the same price, I would go to an approved paintshop all day long.

You do whatever you want to do if you get yourself a McLaren and it requires paint; but please move on from following me about and criticising my personal experience or ownership posts...its a tad tedious.

Edited by Wheelspinning on Monday 1st April 17:19

[Streetbeat]

Wheelspinning said:

Again, you talk about something you have no experience of.

You have used someone that's not McLaren approved to try and save yourself a few quid; well done you.

You can post that info on your non approved experience as fact until your hearts content.

I have used approved for warranty work, two front wings, a resprayed rear quater and inner doors x 2, so yes i have experience

A McLaren approved workshop makes a job card and requests the paint required from Woking; they send not a tin, but the amount that is required for the job; no more, no less.

If an employee hands out a tub of that paint as a touch up for a customer, it's a disciplinary offence.

I have that in email from the approved McLaren paintshop manager from the first time I requested about 5 years ago and the last time around 6 weeks ago; bizarre you know more about those policies than he does.

Says the manager who wants you to use approved

I am posting how a McLaren approved paintshop works; I have also pointed out what the cost for an approved shop to repaint a bonnet on a heritage MSO colour, which was around the same as a non approved paintshop, but with the added benefits that come with 'approved'.

Front bumper and rear bumper cheek @ indepedant £400 (perfect), Mclaren approved wanted £2200, no added benefits.

I have also posted that my previous VO 650spider had a rear cheek repair before by a fantastic paintshop that 'had access to the codes' and it was close, but not close enough and I ended up sending to to McLaren to have painted again.

That, I feel, is pretty beneficial to any current owners or future owners worried about potential paintwork repairs, expecially on volcano, heritage or MSO colours.

In your experience but not factual, Mclaren codes are available which you clearly state elsewhere they are not.

Personally, if its pretty near the same price, I would go to an approved paintshop all day long.

Agreed

You do whatever you want to do if you get yourself a McLaren and it requires paint; but please move on from following me about and criticising my personal experience or ownership posts...its a tad tedious.

I am not criticsing your experience, crack on, but if you post misleading "opinions" expect someone to put you right, as i would hope someone would if posted something factually incorrect.

Edited by Wheelspinning on Monday 1st April 17:19

[Wheelspinning]

Streetbeat said:

Wheelspinning said:

Again, you talk about something you have no experience of.


I have used approved for warranty work, two front wings, a resprayed rear quater and inner doors x 2, so yes i have experience

So work undertaken on the warranty dime, not yours; no experience of paying out of your own pocket for an approved repair.

Says the manager who wants you to use approved

I wanted it undertaken by an approved paintshop; the manager there was booked out for 9 weeks and it mattered not a jot to him if I used them or not.

Front bumper and rear bumper cheek @ indepedant £400 (perfect), Mclaren approved wanted £2200, no added benefits.

Sounds like you were either being ripped or its made up internet price as it bears no relation to an actual invoice I paid 6 weeks ago, or my other approved paintshop experience.
If your bodyshop correctly removed the bumper and cheek to paint then replace, I guess they charge about £10 an hour if you had all that done inc paint and vat at £400.

In your experience but not factual, Mclaren codes are available which you clearly state elsewhere they are not.

So has been said, but it wasn't a perfect match in my experience, and ended up paying twice.
That was my experience over 5 years ago and if it's changed, fair enough, but for me, once bitten twice shy.
If I can afford a supercar, I can afford paying a bit extra for an approved paint repair.

Personally, if its pretty near the same price, I would go to an approved paintshop all day long.

Agreed

You do whatever you want to do if you get yourself a McLaren and it requires paint; but please move on from following me about and criticising my personal experience or ownership posts...its a tad tedious.

I am not criticsing your experience, crack on, but if you post misleading "opinions" expect someone to put you right, as i would hope someone would if posted something factually incorrect.

You criticise my posts, my car usage, tell me how I and any other 675 owner lord over other mac users, for what end, I have no idea.

I post based on my actual experiences not opinions; they might help others, they might not.

A bit bizarre that you feel need to 'put me right' on my said personal experiences that I post, on not just this thread, but others.

I don't get all hysterical and if someone else's experiences differ from mine try and call them out; if they differ fair enough, that's how it is in the real world.

You seem to have cornered the market in that.

No wonder people shy away from this forum.

Edited by Wheelspinning on Monday 1st April 17:19

[Frankychops]

Ken_Code said:

Frankychops said:

I've just bought a 650s spider. Looking everything for sale, this is the only other that's sensible.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403127...

a lovely car i've seen in the flesh. some of the thorney ones are expensive and 'low' spec without carbon.

however at circa £90k a 650s must be the best buy out there for the money?

That looks really nice.

Join the owner’s club and start coming on our trips.

This one sold at an increased price. It does seem colour and spec sells, as always.

[murphyaj]

Frankychops said:

Ken_Code said:

Frankychops said:

I've just bought a 650s spider. Looking everything for sale, this is the only other that's sensible.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403127...

a lovely car i've seen in the flesh. some of the thorney ones are expensive and 'low' spec without carbon.

however at circa £90k a 650s must be the best buy out there for the money?

That looks really nice.

Join the owner’s club and start coming on our trips.

This one sold at an increased price. It does seem colour and spec sells, as always.

Been watching the market for a while now in my hunt for a 650. That spec was never going to hang around for long; Volcano Red spider with carbon in all the right places and all the right options. Had it been plain white or black it would have hung around all year at that price.

[Frankychops]

murphyaj said:

Been watching the market for a while now in my hunt for a 650. That spec was never going to hang around for long; Volcano Red spider with carbon in all the right places and all the right options. Had it been plain white or black it would have hung around all year at that price.

Great seller also. I bought its sister spec car. So I’m biased. I’d have had the one linked but I wanted alcantara not leather.