So who's getting an i3?

[anonymous-user]

so, i'm asked to explain the difference between the "handwheel" and "steering wheel" which i do, and you insult me for it.


Perhaps i won't bother trying to help other understand how modern cars work and are developed any more?

[anonymous-user]

Greg_D said:

but it doesn't mean that they are acceptable on an 'ultimate driving machine'.

I pretty sure that you realise that 'ultimate driving machine' is:

1) Marketing bolleux.

2) Comparative. (ie, the i3 IS the best handling EV in it's segment, it's' clearly not the best handling car ever made, nor is any BMW, or in fact, any road car what so ever......)

[Greg_D]

Erm, no.
Your technical contributions continue to be welcome, but referring to a hand wheel on a layman forum is just daft and unnecessary. And you know it...

[CooperS]

Greg_D said:

Erm, no.
Your technical contributions continue to be welcome, but referring to a hand wheel on a layman forum is just daft and unnecessary. And you know it...

Are there other type of wheels in a car that need a prefix before the word 'wheel'.

What's the difference between a hand wheel and steering wheel?

[ds666]

I don't believe BMW market the i3 as a sports car ? So why try and rate it as such ? It is by far the most desirable, affordable EV in my eyes - it has very acceptable acceleration and handling .
I think the traction control has a hard time dealing with the inertial of the motor and I dislike the occasional issue you get when slowing for a junction , you hit a manhole cover and the wheels lock , abs cuts in and your deceleration gets less .
I don't think there are any secondary ride issues - my understanding of secondary ride is the vibrations that the driver feels as a result of masses such as the engine and exhausts moving about ( Max please advise ) . The brakes , if required are very poor , lacking any real retardation and locking very easily ( ABS )


ps my credentials as a driver include being undefeated off the lights in the i3 and knowing that under steer is when the front hits the wall first

pps limit handing on public roads ... pleaseeeeee

[Blaster72]

ds666 said:

my credentials as a driver include being undefeated off the lights in the i3

The 0-30 grand prix EV drivers all masturbate themselves to death over

Just don't let a Tesla owner hear you say it's the fastest, they'll impode.

All joking aside though, you make some good points.

[anonymous-user]

CooperS said:

Greg_D said:

Erm, no.
Your technical contributions continue to be welcome, but referring to a hand wheel on a layman forum is just daft and unnecessary. And you know it...

Are there other type of wheels in a car that need a prefix before the word 'wheel'.

What's the difference between a hand wheel and steering wheel?

This:




is a steering ROADWHEEL



This



is a steering HANDWHEEL



If you want to shorten their names, for the sake of convenience and brevity, and yet not confuse the two, then it makes sense to call them the steering wheel and the handwheel respectively. It's not done for fun, it's done for accuracy and to avoid confusion. I don't care if anyone thinks it's stupid, excessive, or un-necessary. The fact that the vast majority of people are in-accurate and mistakenly call the handwheel the steering wheel isn't my fault!

[TallTony]

Surely steering is an adjective used to describe the motion of someone decisively moving a vehicle, with the movement being made by a person rather than a car, hence the steering wheel is just that (as the instrument of steering) and the front wheels being the 'steered wheels'? Or just the 'front wheels'. It's too late for this, a flawed argument no doubt on my part, but if BMW etc etc call it a steering wheel (which they do, as indeed do driving standards) then I thinks it's confusing to call it anything different.

Anyway, I think it's a great car. It's definitely not a sports car and therefore not the best drive but I enjoy the experience. Max_Torque has it right in the way described, I would add that it's failing is on bumpy roads. Due to the way the power is delivered, the moment the tyres loose contact then they spin up making for a jolty ride as the car skips around when they make contact again.The steering is good and you can use the tyre sidewalks to 'load up' into a corner. It's generally very predictable unless right on the limit. Loosing the tail is borderline scary, it feels like the tyres judder around instead of sliding.

[JonV8V]

Max_Torque said:

This:




is a steering ROADWHEEL



This



is a steering HANDWHEEL



If you want to shorten their names, for the sake of convenience and brevity, and yet not confuse the two, then it makes sense to call them the steering wheel and the handwheel respectively. It's not done for fun, it's done for accuracy and to avoid confusion. I don't care if anyone thinks it's stupid, excessive, or un-necessary. The fact that the vast majority of people are in-accurate and mistakenly call the handwheel the steering wheel isn't my fault!

If we're going to be obtuse, then it's "steering wheels" unless you're referring to a reliant robin.

And the well known dealer in Aston Martin bits begs to differ with you anyway

[RossP]

TallTony said:

Surely steering is an adjective used to describe the motion of someone decisively moving a vehicle, with the movement being made by a person rather than a car, hence the steering wheel is just that (as the instrument of steering) and the front wheels being the 'steered wheels'? Or just the 'front wheels'. It's too late for this, a flawed argument no doubt on my part, but if BMW etc etc call it a steering wheel (which they do, as indeed do driving standards) then I thinks it's confusing to call it anything different.

Anyway, I think it's a great car. It's definitely not a sports car and therefore not the best drive but I enjoy the experience. Max_Torque has it right in the way described, I would add that it's failing is on bumpy roads. Due to the way the power is delivered, the moment the tyres loose contact then they spin up making for a jolty ride as the car skips around when they make contact again.The steering is good and you can use the tyre sidewalks to 'load up' into a corner. It's generally very predictable unless right on the limit. Loosing the tail is borderline scary, it feels like the tyres judder around instead of sliding.

[TallTony]

Seriously Ross. Who cares.

[anonymous-user]

Coming back to the i3 topic for a moment

Now that electric highway charging is £6 a go, make sure you go to the Motorway Services equipped with a CCS charger

If, for instance, you rock up at Tibshelf heading south on "fumes" and you find that it doesn't have a CCS charger, your £6 will likely only get you 5.2kWh from the AC charger, which is good for about 25 miles at best

In contrast, if you rock up at Woodall heading north, it does have a CCS charger and your £6 will get you from 4% to 79% charged, good for about 80 miles

I mention this for a friend of course. As if I would be daft enough to do such a thing...

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 18th January 18:27

[JumboBeef]

Another question if I may. ..

Apart from cloth, half leather and full leather plus a different coloured steering wheel, are there any other differences between the Atelier, Loft, Lodge and Suite interiors?

I've had leather in my cars for.....ever.....and wonder how much I'd miss it. Also, I have 4x yucky and sticky grandchildren I would have to transport sometimes and wonder how the seats would stand up to the general mayhem that small children can cause if they were not full leather.

[RossP]

JumboBeef said:

Another question if I may. ..

Apart from cloth, half leather and full leather plus a different coloured steering wheel, are there any other differences between the Atelier, Loft, Lodge and Suite interiors?

I've had leather in my cars for.....ever.....and wonder how much I'd miss it. Also, I have 4x yucky and sticky grandchildren I would have to transport sometimes and wonder how the seats would stand up to the general mayhem that small children can cause if they were not full leather.

The basic interior doesn't include the extended interior LED lighting.

[anonymous-user]

If i'd brought one new, i might have been tempted to tick the full leather interior option. But you know what, i don't miss it at all. In fact, i'd go as far as saying i think the cloth interior actually suits the car better, and is warmer to sit on in winter too! It's feels pretty good quality too, so i'd be surprised if it wasn't quite hard wearing as well.

[Olf]

RossP said:

Brakes aren't fantastic but certainly adequate - they just need a firm shove if pressing on. Most of the time in my daily commute I don't use them at all.

I think the brakes actually feel a bit rubbish because you don't use them that much so they are never scrubbed in, whenever you brake hard you're taking off a layer of st before you start to bite simply through lack of use.

[RossP]

Max_Torque said:

If i'd brought one new, i might have been tempted to tick the full leather interior option. But you know what, i don't miss it at all. In fact, i'd go as far as saying i think the cloth interior actually suits the car better, and is warmer to sit on in winter too! It's feels pretty good quality too, so i'd be surprised if it wasn't quite hard wearing as well.

I had std trim first time around and was very hard wearing and I like the blue bits. But I went loft this time for a change and I wanted the better interior lights. The blue interior when you unlock it is cool!

[anonymous-user]

RossP said:

Max_Torque said:

If i'd brought one new, i might have been tempted to tick the full leather interior option. But you know what, i don't miss it at all. In fact, i'd go as far as saying i think the cloth interior actually suits the car better, and is warmer to sit on in winter too! It's feels pretty good quality too, so i'd be surprised if it wasn't quite hard wearing as well.

I had std trim first time around and was very hard wearing and I like the blue bits. But I went loft this time for a change and I wanted the better interior lights. The blue interior when you unlock it is cool!

Yeah, mine has the silly multicolour interior lighting gubbins! I think the colour of the lights should reflect the temp of the cabin, blue for cold, yellow for warm! ;-)

[Goatex]

JumboBeef said:

Another question if I may. ..

Apart from cloth, half leather and full leather plus a different coloured steering wheel, are there any other differences between the Atelier, Loft, Lodge and Suite interiors?

I've had leather in my cars for.....ever.....and wonder how much I'd miss it. Also, I have 4x yucky and sticky grandchildren I would have to transport sometimes and wonder how the seats would stand up to the general mayhem that small children can cause if they were not full leather.

The lodge and the suite 'worlds' also feature a leather dashboard and wood trim...the wood is now an option on the loft too and there are 2 varieties of it.

[MagicalTrevor]

Max_Torque said:

If i'd brought one new, i might have been tempted to tick the full leather interior option. But you know what, i don't miss it at all. In fact, i'd go as far as saying i think the cloth interior actually suits the car better, and is warmer to sit on in winter too! It's feels pretty good quality too, so i'd be surprised if it wasn't quite hard wearing as well.

Knows the difference between a 'steering wheel' and a 'hand wheel' but not between 'bought' and 'brought'