Nissan Leaf Deals
Discussion
Got a 7 day teat drive coming next week
what do people think of the current deals ?
There's an example on the Nissan website
I cant post a link !
9k from govt and Nissan
4k customer deposit
99 per month for 24 months
GFV 13.4k
Now to me 2 yr leafs are 10k
when I compare this to the Golf R it does seem expensive ? Opinions welcome
I get my thrills on track with the lotus -11
what do people think of the current deals ?
There's an example on the Nissan website
I cant post a link !
9k from govt and Nissan
4k customer deposit
99 per month for 24 months
GFV 13.4k
Now to me 2 yr leafs are 10k
when I compare this to the Golf R it does seem expensive ? Opinions welcome
I get my thrills on track with the lotus -11
Can't answer your lease deal as I've never had one, but what I can say, is I hope your not getting your 7 day test drive from the same place I was booked into. Customer service was terrible to say the least.
Car given to someone else on the day, they never thought to ring me. Luckily I rang before hand to check otherwise I would of had a wasted twenty mile plus journey into town. Then promised another car that week and a call to let me know when to come and get it. As you can imagine no phone call for a week, absolutely nothing. I then sent them an E mail the following week, asking what was happening. Once again nothing, they definitely recieved the mail as it was a reply to one they had previously sent me. So here we are today three weeks have now past and not a Dicky bird. Guess I WONT be using said garage to buy my Leaf.
Sorry for my rant, I just find the whole thing unexceptable and never had to deal with it in the past.
Car given to someone else on the day, they never thought to ring me. Luckily I rang before hand to check otherwise I would of had a wasted twenty mile plus journey into town. Then promised another car that week and a call to let me know when to come and get it. As you can imagine no phone call for a week, absolutely nothing. I then sent them an E mail the following week, asking what was happening. Once again nothing, they definitely recieved the mail as it was a reply to one they had previously sent me. So here we are today three weeks have now past and not a Dicky bird. Guess I WONT be using said garage to buy my Leaf.
Sorry for my rant, I just find the whole thing unexceptable and never had to deal with it in the past.
Sounds like an interesting deal. As perspective on an outright purchase as an alternative; I picked up a Non-Flex Acenta 2 months ago with 16 miles on the clock, 6.6kw charger. The car had been pre-registered 2 months earlier, and was bought by us for £16,500.
I had been looking at used but this, coming with as new battery and nearly 3 years of warranty was a no brainer. A similar Leaf but with the standard charger is presently available at £14,995 at the same dealer; some cracking offers out there for what is a great car that costs buttons to run....
I had been looking at used but this, coming with as new battery and nearly 3 years of warranty was a no brainer. A similar Leaf but with the standard charger is presently available at £14,995 at the same dealer; some cracking offers out there for what is a great car that costs buttons to run....
Edited by Biggles111 on Tuesday 14th October 19:47
Ej74 said:
No its the one with the paid up battery
Which dealer did you use for the 16k deal ?.
Yes that's right, this was with the battery. I got fed up looking at expensive used cars with a battery lease attached, which pushed me towards a new one!Which dealer did you use for the 16k deal ?.
The dealer is Perrys of Blackburn, I dealt with Jay, who was really helpful, got good service as well as a good price, and they arranged delivery for a small charge on top.
They have a Leaf Acenta at £14,995, I assume this is with battery included. Delivery miles, metallic paint.
http://www.perrys.co.uk/nissan-leaf-acenta-5-door-...
We just bought a 3 month old Tekna from Evans Halshaw in Middlesbrough, they seem to have some very good value cars. Also interesting to know that a local dealer who had "no movement" were suddenly keen to match the Evans Halshaw deal.
I would reiterate that if the car will work for you with the range, etc. then it is definitely worth considering.
My main anxiety is less about range and more about battery condition. Fingers crossed the newer batteries of the Gen2 plus our temperate climate should help.
FWIW, I got from Middlesbrough to Wetherby services, circa 50 miles, and that was from 100% to 15%. Tried pootling along @ 55 with the heating off, after 5-10 miles I realised I wouldn't make it the 79 miles home, would have to stop at Wetherby for a fast charge and so upped the speed to 70-75 and put the heating on.
Ours has been used for a circa 35 mile round trip commute for the past week or so, we have the car set to charge upto 80% to preserve battery life, does our commute easily, though various detours on the school run, etc. have had the car getting home with sub 20% once or twice. Currently just charging with the three pin charger, works fine for now but looking forward to having a proper charging point.
Driving around without using any diesel is brilliant! Very liberating.
For reference, people talk about a mythical 2p/mile; we are on a single rate meter, averaging around 4 miles/kW, and its costing about 2.8ppm. 2ppm might be achievable with off peak charging on the right Economy 7 tarriff. I'm hoping that soon my wife will be able to charge for free at work, which would make this a mute point.
£15k should get an ex-demo / low mileage Acenta, including battery, possibly even with the desirable 6kW charger.
Ignore the high priced cars, they are dreaming. From what I can gather you could get into a brand new top spec car for under £22k, with the low rate finance deals, etc.
Personally I would also ignore any "Flex" deals, especially if you are buying used. Probably best to ignore them if you are buying on a PCP under 3 years as I read that the battery leases are 36 months.
One thing to watch for, the charging cables for using public points / non-tethered home points are really expensive! Also note that if you have the 6kW onboard charger then you will probably want the 32A charging point, which is another £100. Its not necessarily a big deal, but when you are working things out on the basis of monthly costs then another £350 for a charging point and cable is a factor. Also note that you have to pay for some charging points, and extra for the access cards.
We were going to buy on a PCP or similar, until I discovered just how cheaply you can buy a nearly new Leaf. A range extender car like an Ampera/Volt, or Plug-in Prius would be somewhat more practical, but that wasn't an issue for us. Plus the cheapest Ampera I could find was around £18k for a 2 year old example, and it wouldn't do our commute on electricity alone.
I really like the i3, but there's a 20 week wait and at our mileage of 10-12k you are looking at a payment of around £450/m for a basic car.
Briefly considered the e-Golf, but it is far, far too expensive, and minimum deposit of £3k on a PCP, which to me is crazy.
Didn't even consider a Zoe as they are apparently no good on the motorway and the battery rental will kill the value of a used one. For a nearly new car then the concept of £70 (or really more like £95, it ratchets based on mileage) per month, can be sold as "just a tank of fuel". On a 5 year old example, sub £5k, this won't make any sense and will scare people off. An example is the 62 plate Fluence that I saw advertised @ £5k, plus battery rental.
Against this background, the Leaf is a bargain; 3 month old car, nice spec, and we will own it rather than just renting. Yes, that means we take the residual risk, but at 4 years old / 45k miles its got to be worth £5k. Worst case scenario a new battery seems to be around US$5,500 fitted (not sure how this translates to GBP in reality), and will hopefully come down over time.
I would reiterate that if the car will work for you with the range, etc. then it is definitely worth considering.
My main anxiety is less about range and more about battery condition. Fingers crossed the newer batteries of the Gen2 plus our temperate climate should help.
FWIW, I got from Middlesbrough to Wetherby services, circa 50 miles, and that was from 100% to 15%. Tried pootling along @ 55 with the heating off, after 5-10 miles I realised I wouldn't make it the 79 miles home, would have to stop at Wetherby for a fast charge and so upped the speed to 70-75 and put the heating on.
Ours has been used for a circa 35 mile round trip commute for the past week or so, we have the car set to charge upto 80% to preserve battery life, does our commute easily, though various detours on the school run, etc. have had the car getting home with sub 20% once or twice. Currently just charging with the three pin charger, works fine for now but looking forward to having a proper charging point.
Driving around without using any diesel is brilliant! Very liberating.
For reference, people talk about a mythical 2p/mile; we are on a single rate meter, averaging around 4 miles/kW, and its costing about 2.8ppm. 2ppm might be achievable with off peak charging on the right Economy 7 tarriff. I'm hoping that soon my wife will be able to charge for free at work, which would make this a mute point.
£15k should get an ex-demo / low mileage Acenta, including battery, possibly even with the desirable 6kW charger.
Ignore the high priced cars, they are dreaming. From what I can gather you could get into a brand new top spec car for under £22k, with the low rate finance deals, etc.
Personally I would also ignore any "Flex" deals, especially if you are buying used. Probably best to ignore them if you are buying on a PCP under 3 years as I read that the battery leases are 36 months.
One thing to watch for, the charging cables for using public points / non-tethered home points are really expensive! Also note that if you have the 6kW onboard charger then you will probably want the 32A charging point, which is another £100. Its not necessarily a big deal, but when you are working things out on the basis of monthly costs then another £350 for a charging point and cable is a factor. Also note that you have to pay for some charging points, and extra for the access cards.
We were going to buy on a PCP or similar, until I discovered just how cheaply you can buy a nearly new Leaf. A range extender car like an Ampera/Volt, or Plug-in Prius would be somewhat more practical, but that wasn't an issue for us. Plus the cheapest Ampera I could find was around £18k for a 2 year old example, and it wouldn't do our commute on electricity alone.
I really like the i3, but there's a 20 week wait and at our mileage of 10-12k you are looking at a payment of around £450/m for a basic car.
Briefly considered the e-Golf, but it is far, far too expensive, and minimum deposit of £3k on a PCP, which to me is crazy.
Didn't even consider a Zoe as they are apparently no good on the motorway and the battery rental will kill the value of a used one. For a nearly new car then the concept of £70 (or really more like £95, it ratchets based on mileage) per month, can be sold as "just a tank of fuel". On a 5 year old example, sub £5k, this won't make any sense and will scare people off. An example is the 62 plate Fluence that I saw advertised @ £5k, plus battery rental.
Against this background, the Leaf is a bargain; 3 month old car, nice spec, and we will own it rather than just renting. Yes, that means we take the residual risk, but at 4 years old / 45k miles its got to be worth £5k. Worst case scenario a new battery seems to be around US$5,500 fitted (not sure how this translates to GBP in reality), and will hopefully come down over time.
Edited by FlashBastd on Wednesday 15th October 22:21
C&C Taxis in Cornwall have a fleet of Leafs, and are claiming no significant battery degradation on cars at 60k miles - despite rapid charging once or twice per day. If you can be bothered to trawl through their Twitter feed there's some interesting parts: https://twitter.com/candctaxis
I did read somewhere that you can sign up to the battery lease at any point in time and batteries will be replaced.
Range wise it seems to average around 80 on a full charge ?.
My drive to the station is literally only a few miles and the odd longer trip here and there (100 miles) so stop off and fast charge time or use my zip car membership (there's a car less than 2 miles away)
The 2-11 just wont fit three people as much as I try :-)
Test drive next week - so i'll see how I get on
I keep getting tempted by a 7 series or the Golf R must resist
Range wise it seems to average around 80 on a full charge ?.
My drive to the station is literally only a few miles and the odd longer trip here and there (100 miles) so stop off and fast charge time or use my zip car membership (there's a car less than 2 miles away)
The 2-11 just wont fit three people as much as I try :-)
Test drive next week - so i'll see how I get on
I keep getting tempted by a 7 series or the Golf R must resist
amstrange1 said:
C&C Taxis in Cornwall have a fleet of Leafs, and are claiming no significant battery degradation on cars at 60k miles - despite rapid charging once or twice per day. If you can be bothered to trawl through their Twitter feed there's some interesting parts: https://twitter.com/candctaxis
That is really interesting, and very encouraging.mids said:
Nice write up FlashBastd. I agree with amstrange1, I wouldn't bother limiting your charging to 80%.
As for electricity costs, it's worth trying to get onto a cheap night tariff. My electric mileage is working out about 1.3ppm (paying 4.14p per kWh).
We only have a single rate meter at present, just changed tarriff too, but that (yours) is a fantastic rate. I understand the "Day" rate typically increases somewhat with a dual rate tarriff, will have to see how much we charge the Leaf at home one we get our Type 1 - Type 2 cable which will allow my wife to charge it at work for free.As for electricity costs, it's worth trying to get onto a cheap night tariff. My electric mileage is working out about 1.3ppm (paying 4.14p per kWh).
Ej74 said:
I did read somewhere that you can sign up to the battery lease at any point in time and batteries will be replaced.
Range wise it seems to average around 80 on a full charge ?.
My drive to the station is literally only a few miles and the odd longer trip here and there (100 miles) so stop off and fast charge time or use my zip car membership (there's a car less than 2 miles away)
I have also read this, which could be an option, will depend upon the state of the market, values, etc. at that point in time. As I mentioned above, I would prefer to avoid the complication of trying to sell a used car with a separate battery lease to novate.Range wise it seems to average around 80 on a full charge ?.
My drive to the station is literally only a few miles and the odd longer trip here and there (100 miles) so stop off and fast charge time or use my zip car membership (there's a car less than 2 miles away)
80 miles seems reasonable, but not motorway.
For your commute, the Leaf could be useful, sounds though that your fuel saving would be minimal given the limited mileage?
For us, it was a potential parking saving and fuel saving that tipped the balance. Fuel alone just didn't seem enough.
I've arranged a Leaf on a 7 day test drive and am picking it up 18/10.
One thing that concerns me is I'm told I can only charge using a 13A socket. Not a problem except we want to try the car on some distance runs and it would have been great if we could charge at public charging points, but am told we wont have access to these. Does anybody if this is true or know a way around this. Otherwise we are limited to approx 100 mile round trips or finding a Nissan dealer en route to charge at.
When talking with dealer we were told to ignore the 6.6kw charger option. Is this sound advice?
We would probably be looking at the Acenta spec and not leasing the battery. Anything else worth specing?
One thing that concerns me is I'm told I can only charge using a 13A socket. Not a problem except we want to try the car on some distance runs and it would have been great if we could charge at public charging points, but am told we wont have access to these. Does anybody if this is true or know a way around this. Otherwise we are limited to approx 100 mile round trips or finding a Nissan dealer en route to charge at.
When talking with dealer we were told to ignore the 6.6kw charger option. Is this sound advice?
We would probably be looking at the Acenta spec and not leasing the battery. Anything else worth specing?
I went for a brand new Acenta on a PCP. My local Nissan dealer gave me a VERY generous trade-in on my Z4 and I have to say that I absolutely love the thing.
My drive to work is a 60 mile round trip, and we have a charging point, so buying one was a no brainer. The thing is though, my wife loves the car even more than I do, so I let her drive it most of the time.
In truth, that makes a lot of sense. Our lease is for 12k miles per year, and you can be sure that in 4 years's time it will go back with 48k on the clock. Now to maximise the fuel savings it's better for the wife to do the short/regular trips in and out of town, and for me to use our Aygo for the commute to work,
The Aygo returns over 60mpg on my commute, but when the wife uses it covering short journeys we see about 40-45 mpg.
Of course, I might keep it once we've covered 48k miles. That will very much depend on what else is on the market and whether our battery is still in near-mint condition.
For me though, you've only got to drive one for a few miles and the thing screams "this is the future of motoring" at you.
My drive to work is a 60 mile round trip, and we have a charging point, so buying one was a no brainer. The thing is though, my wife loves the car even more than I do, so I let her drive it most of the time.
In truth, that makes a lot of sense. Our lease is for 12k miles per year, and you can be sure that in 4 years's time it will go back with 48k on the clock. Now to maximise the fuel savings it's better for the wife to do the short/regular trips in and out of town, and for me to use our Aygo for the commute to work,
The Aygo returns over 60mpg on my commute, but when the wife uses it covering short journeys we see about 40-45 mpg.
Of course, I might keep it once we've covered 48k miles. That will very much depend on what else is on the market and whether our battery is still in near-mint condition.
For me though, you've only got to drive one for a few miles and the thing screams "this is the future of motoring" at you.
Well I got £10,500 for my Z4, with £6k of that being used as the deposit and the rest returned in cash.
The car only cost me £9500 from a Porsche dealer and I'd owned it for almost a year. It just wasn't getting used, and I reckoned I'd get £8k in PX. It's obvious to me that they really wanted to shift a Leaf, so they went for a figure that they knew would seal the deal
The PPP costs me £93 / month, and so does the 12k / year battery lease. I went for metallic paint though, so the PCP coud have been cheaper.
Future value is £6500 I think, and I'd say there's a 60/40 chance that the car will go back after 4 years.
So whilst I'm paying £186/month, I'm saving £120 in fuel and £10/month in VED. (I sold a Fabia TDi as well, if I compared costs to the Z4 I'd be saving loads and loads...) other savings include £20 / month in maintenance.
I did a lot of maths, covering the overall costs over four years, and my conclusions were that I'm running a brand new, very well equipped Nissan for about £40 / month more than running my old Fabia cost me.
Factor in the risk of the Fabia needing a major repair, and the difference be ones even less.
One final thing to note is that I did consider buying outright without the battery lease. For me there just isn't enough evidence about battery condition after 4 years, so I went with the safer option.
The car only cost me £9500 from a Porsche dealer and I'd owned it for almost a year. It just wasn't getting used, and I reckoned I'd get £8k in PX. It's obvious to me that they really wanted to shift a Leaf, so they went for a figure that they knew would seal the deal
The PPP costs me £93 / month, and so does the 12k / year battery lease. I went for metallic paint though, so the PCP coud have been cheaper.
Future value is £6500 I think, and I'd say there's a 60/40 chance that the car will go back after 4 years.
So whilst I'm paying £186/month, I'm saving £120 in fuel and £10/month in VED. (I sold a Fabia TDi as well, if I compared costs to the Z4 I'd be saving loads and loads...) other savings include £20 / month in maintenance.
I did a lot of maths, covering the overall costs over four years, and my conclusions were that I'm running a brand new, very well equipped Nissan for about £40 / month more than running my old Fabia cost me.
Factor in the risk of the Fabia needing a major repair, and the difference be ones even less.
One final thing to note is that I did consider buying outright without the battery lease. For me there just isn't enough evidence about battery condition after 4 years, so I went with the safer option.
Our local dealer loaned us an Ecotricity card, this gives access to the motorway Chademo DC fast chargers. It will also work for many public AC charging points but you will need a Type 2 (Mennekes) to Type 1 (J1772) cable. The demo probably won't come with one of those.
We haven't got our type 1 - type 2 cable yet, so have to be very selective about how we use the car.
In terms of the charger upgrade, it depends on how / where you plan to charge. If you only expect to charge at low current (10A through 3 pin 13A plug, or 16A charging point) charging points then the more expensive charger is of no benefit. If however you expect to be able to charge at 32A charging points then the 6kW charger will effectively halve your charging times.
We haven't got our type 1 - type 2 cable yet, so have to be very selective about how we use the car.
In terms of the charger upgrade, it depends on how / where you plan to charge. If you only expect to charge at low current (10A through 3 pin 13A plug, or 16A charging point) charging points then the more expensive charger is of no benefit. If however you expect to be able to charge at 32A charging points then the 6kW charger will effectively halve your charging times.
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