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DSLiverpool said:
Zoe - yes or look up your nearest public one and find a café, Leaf takes a 3 pin, if it rains use a glove and rubber shoes to disconnect, cover any extension lead with a bin bag (joke)
Sorry what part is a joke? It rains a lot up here in Scotland, if you have to charge these every night there will be a lot of times, if you have the car charging compartment up overnight will it not get flooded? Sorry if I'm being naive but just wondering how people cope. Maybe put some sort of cover on it.rudebhoy said:
Sorry what part is a joke? It rains a lot up here in Scotland, if you have to charge these every night there will be a lot of times, if you have the car charging compartment up overnight will it not get flooded? Sorry if I'm being naive but just wondering how people cope. Maybe put some sort of cover on it.
Bin bag over the extension lead was a joke, to clarify if you need an extension then the car is not suitable for your home - cable is fine in the wet as the terminals are recessed however I would turn off the power at the wall first (I think on unplug it kills it anyway)onedsla said:
The dealer (your local one which is just down the hill from us) took almost an hour before they could get close to the 1800 + 99pm deal which I'd seen posted on the 'best lease deals' thread. I wasn't aware of people cutting down the cost further, hence didn't ask. It's also a 6000 mile deal, but the metallic paint added about £600 over the 2 years (it was the only one they could order).
Given it will take 6k miles off petrol / diesel vehicles in the 'fleet' and we should be able to have at least 50% of the charging through our PV panels, I'm happy that it provides very low cost motoring for the next 2 years.
I'll push harder 25 months from now!
I guess I will see you in Seacombe ferry charging point, brisk walk and a coffee n bun plus £3 of free charge. Not entirely serious as its a 4 hour charge and life is for living. Asda Birkenhead not worth the effort, M56 services however if it can be combined with a trip to Cheshire Oakes is a 30 min 80% job for free. M&S C Oakes is a 3 pin plug on a post type - waste of time.Given it will take 6k miles off petrol / diesel vehicles in the 'fleet' and we should be able to have at least 50% of the charging through our PV panels, I'm happy that it provides very low cost motoring for the next 2 years.
I'll push harder 25 months from now!
natcot said:
I'm trying to make the man maths work for me, so I can get a leaf!
I've found varying different figures for charging costs so I can't say for sure if it will work for me.
Can anyone give me a fairly accurate cost per mile based upon charging costs?
My daily journey would is a 35 miles round trip, a mix of town and A road.
I'm hoping I can run and lease a leaf for the same sort of money that I currently pay to run an old Diesel Toyota Verso.
Thanks
If you have an old car that barely depreciates, does circa 50mpg and is reliable I think you'll struggle to make the man maths work. (we're in the same boat, I'd quite like a Leaf after trying one for a week). Obviously a new Leaf is a nicer place to be than an old Verso (or our car!) so depends what price you put on this.I've found varying different figures for charging costs so I can't say for sure if it will work for me.
Can anyone give me a fairly accurate cost per mile based upon charging costs?
My daily journey would is a 35 miles round trip, a mix of town and A road.
I'm hoping I can run and lease a leaf for the same sort of money that I currently pay to run an old Diesel Toyota Verso.
Thanks
35 miles day x 220 work days plus social use is roughly similar to what we do (around 9k a year)
Existing car
9k at 50mpg in a diesel = circa £950 in fuel. I budget £300 for service/mot/repairs, ours is £30 tax, nominal £200 depreciation = just under £1500 a year.
New Leaf lease
circa £300 in elec, say £100 for a service, no tax, cheapest lease deals about £1800 year = £2200.
[but I'd be slightly worried about my wife (or even me!) damaging it and ending up with a bill for a few hundred for repairs at the end, not fussed on our old car]
2nd hand Leaf or miev/clone
circa £300 elec, £200 service/mot/repairs, no tax, guesstimate £500 depreciation, £250 opportunity cost/loan (over and above our old car) = £1250.
[but I'd be slightly nervous about needing an expensive repair, e.g. electric handbrake, or a battery problem hence the risk/reward is probably not there for me]
Edited by danp on Monday 16th March 11:53
We have ordered a Leaf today. Solid white, solar spoiler, mats, 2 year PCP, 10,000 miles pa. The deal is £1950 down and£110 per month. It comes next Thursday so be prepared for more questions!
How have you all found dealing with British Gas in relation to installing a home charge point? I rang them today and they are quoting 3 weeks to get out to install the point. Does the funding for the scheme end at the end of the month? If so will they honour orders made now but installed after the end if the month?
Is the supplied standard charge cable 3 meters or 6 meters long? Until the charge point is installed it's going to be a case of opening the garage door and plugging the car into a wall mounted socket in the garage as I understand charging via an extension lead is not a good idea! 3 meters won't reach the existing socket, 6 meters will!
How have you all found dealing with British Gas in relation to installing a home charge point? I rang them today and they are quoting 3 weeks to get out to install the point. Does the funding for the scheme end at the end of the month? If so will they honour orders made now but installed after the end if the month?
Is the supplied standard charge cable 3 meters or 6 meters long? Until the charge point is installed it's going to be a case of opening the garage door and plugging the car into a wall mounted socket in the garage as I understand charging via an extension lead is not a good idea! 3 meters won't reach the existing socket, 6 meters will!
T5GRF said:
We have ordered a Leaf today. Solid white, solar spoiler, mats, 2 year PCP, 10,000 miles pa. The deal is £1950 down and£110 per month. It comes next Thursday so be prepared for more questions!
How have you all found dealing with British Gas in relation to installing a home charge point? I rang them today and they are quoting 3 weeks to get out to install the point. Does the funding for the scheme end at the end of the month? If so will they honour orders made now but installed after the end if the month?
Is the supplied standard charge cable 3 meters or 6 meters long? Until the charge point is installed it's going to be a case of opening the garage door and plugging the car into a wall mounted socket in the garage as I understand charging via an extension lead is not a good idea! 3 meters won't reach the existing socket, 6 meters will!
Call nuworld energy not BG - much easier to deal with How have you all found dealing with British Gas in relation to installing a home charge point? I rang them today and they are quoting 3 weeks to get out to install the point. Does the funding for the scheme end at the end of the month? If so will they honour orders made now but installed after the end if the month?
Is the supplied standard charge cable 3 meters or 6 meters long? Until the charge point is installed it's going to be a case of opening the garage door and plugging the car into a wall mounted socket in the garage as I understand charging via an extension lead is not a good idea! 3 meters won't reach the existing socket, 6 meters will!
We have ordered a Leaf today. Solid white, solar spoiler, mats, 2 year PCP, 10,000 miles pa. The deal is £1950 down and£110 per month. It comes next Thursday so be prepared for more questions!
How have you all found dealing with British Gas in relation to installing a home charge point? I rang them today and they are quoting 3 weeks to get out to install the point. Does the funding for the scheme end at the end of the month? If so will they honour orders made now but installed after the end if the month?
Is the supplied standard charge cable 3 meters or 6 meters long? Until the charge point is installed it's going to be a case of opening the garage door and plugging the car into a wall mounted socket in the garage as I understand charging via an extension lead is not a good idea! 3 meters won't reach the existing socket, 6 meters will!
How have you all found dealing with British Gas in relation to installing a home charge point? I rang them today and they are quoting 3 weeks to get out to install the point. Does the funding for the scheme end at the end of the month? If so will they honour orders made now but installed after the end if the month?
Is the supplied standard charge cable 3 meters or 6 meters long? Until the charge point is installed it's going to be a case of opening the garage door and plugging the car into a wall mounted socket in the garage as I understand charging via an extension lead is not a good idea! 3 meters won't reach the existing socket, 6 meters will!
The standard charge point cable length is about 5m (just under I think). You can't get longer/shorter (well you couldn't when I asked).
If you have to open the garage door to charge the car then this will become tiresome. Assuming of course you don't have a large garage with an electric opener that's linked to the house and you park up in the garage every night. If the car is outside of the garage then will the door need to be open or passed through a window? Massive issue with security obviously.
Charging when you have a non tethered cable can be a bit of a bind as it involves getting the cable out the boot, plugging in one end, then the other, reverse when finished. With a tethered cable you just open the flap and plug in the one connector, absolute doddle. Doesn't sound like much of a faff but like anything in life, if it isn't really, really easy then it starts to get annoying. Your non-tethered cable just lives in the boot then and comes out on the occasion you're using a public point.
British Gas were about 2 weeks from receiving the order to install and were fine to deal with to be honest. You can get anyone to do it though, you just need to provide proof of purchase so they can claim back the funding. Worth ringing round and seeing if you could get it done sooner. We managed with a 3-pin 230V cable while waiting for ours and it works fine but you need an external socket really, we have on in the side coal cupboard so no issues with the cable being exposed to the elements - takes a long time to charge though and is apparently less efficient (uses more leccy than the fast charger would).
If you have to open the garage door to charge the car then this will become tiresome. Assuming of course you don't have a large garage with an electric opener that's linked to the house and you park up in the garage every night. If the car is outside of the garage then will the door need to be open or passed through a window? Massive issue with security obviously.
Charging when you have a non tethered cable can be a bit of a bind as it involves getting the cable out the boot, plugging in one end, then the other, reverse when finished. With a tethered cable you just open the flap and plug in the one connector, absolute doddle. Doesn't sound like much of a faff but like anything in life, if it isn't really, really easy then it starts to get annoying. Your non-tethered cable just lives in the boot then and comes out on the occasion you're using a public point.
British Gas were about 2 weeks from receiving the order to install and were fine to deal with to be honest. You can get anyone to do it though, you just need to provide proof of purchase so they can claim back the funding. Worth ringing round and seeing if you could get it done sooner. We managed with a 3-pin 230V cable while waiting for ours and it works fine but you need an external socket really, we have on in the side coal cupboard so no issues with the cable being exposed to the elements - takes a long time to charge though and is apparently less efficient (uses more leccy than the fast charger would).
I misread that a bit. Assumming you are going to use 3-pin charging while waiting for the wall mounted fast charger which will then be outside?
I have used my 3-pin charger with a 10m extension and it was fine. As long as the extension is of good quality and rated to at least 13a then it should be fine. The only issue you'll have is protecting the plug/cable from the elements, the ZOE cable has a box of electronic control gubbins just after then plug and you are not supposed to leave this exposed.
I have used my 3-pin charger with a 10m extension and it was fine. As long as the extension is of good quality and rated to at least 13a then it should be fine. The only issue you'll have is protecting the plug/cable from the elements, the ZOE cable has a box of electronic control gubbins just after then plug and you are not supposed to leave this exposed.
Ive just ordered mine from nissan crawley. Went for a solid white tekna. £1000 deposit and £150 per month on 8000 miles py. However, Im starting to think it may have been better to get the 6.6, does anyone know if the cost difference is big? Also, just went on to the british gas site and its says as of 11th of March there is a £350 charge, is this correct??
VonSenger said:
Ive just ordered mine from nissan crawley. Went for a solid white tekna. £1000 deposit and £150 per month on 8000 miles py. However, Im starting to think it may have been better to get the 6.6, does anyone know if the cost difference is big? Also, just went on to the british gas site and its says as of 11th of March there is a £350 charge, is this correct??
Cost for 6.6kW charger is £1150 (http://www.nissan.co.uk/dam/services/gb/brochure/Nissan_Leaf_technical_specs.pdf) before haggling!Well, thanks to the original poster of this thread I have just ordered a Leaf, a car I never thought I would buy! Had a test drive at the weekend and was very impressed and believe it will be ideal as a local run around used mainly by the wife. Managed to get a tekna with metallic paint on 7,500 miles a year for £1,800 down and 24 payments of £94.72 which over the 2 years will work out as only about £500 more than the current fuel bill for the car it replaces taking in to account the cost of charging.
Hope the original poster gets some commission from Nisaan as he must be responsible for a surge in sales
Hope the original poster gets some commission from Nisaan as he must be responsible for a surge in sales
VonSenger said:
Ive just ordered mine from nissan crawley. Went for a solid white tekna. £1000 deposit and £150 per month on 8000 miles py. However, Im starting to think it may have been better to get the 6.6, does anyone know if the cost difference is big? Also, just went on to the british gas site and its says as of 11th of March there is a £350 charge, is this correct??
The problem with the 6.6 option on a PCP is that they do not give it any value on the GFV. As such its depreciated over the time of the PCP, basically adding almost £50 per month onto the cost! Really they should realise it adds value to the car and have it cost £5-£10 a month then I'd have gone for it.JonnyO said:
The problem with the 6.6 option on a PCP is that they do not give it any value on the GFV. As such its depreciated over the time of the PCP, basically adding almost £50 per month onto the cost! Really they should realise it adds value to the car and have it cost £5-£10 a month then I'd have gone for it.
Thats a shame and i suspected this to be the case. But it will certainly add GFV, especially if it cant be retrofitted! VonSenger said:
Thats a shame and i suspected this to be the case. But it will certainly add GFV, especially if it cant be retrofitted!
So having just spoke to nissan it seems the 6.6kw option has no impact on residuals, strange as I know what I'd buy if buying second hand. However Therese did kindly offer the upgrade to my order for £28pm. This is still a little odd as it works out at almost a quarter of the monthly payment goes to towards paying for the 6.6kw option. But in the grand scheme of things, after reading the below and having a think about how I'd use the car, £178 instead of £150 is worth it for 3-4 hour charging.https://transportevolved.com/2014/06/04/buying-ele...
Thanks for the advice re cable length and charge point installation. I sent over the form to Nu World Energy this afternoon so hopefully they can get over to me more quickly than 3 weeks.
If anyone is still looking for a deal I think Nissan Cambridge would be a good place to talk to, they seem willing to cut things to the bone to get an order!
If anyone is still looking for a deal I think Nissan Cambridge would be a good place to talk to, they seem willing to cut things to the bone to get an order!
My "man maths" on replacing a 55 reg Fabia TDi with 100k on the clock with a Leaf on a four year deal resulted in the Leaf costing about £50/month more.
That allowed for some repairs to the Fabia but no big bills.
I consider £50/month a fair price for driving a very well equipped brand new car instead of a ten year old Skoda.
It should be said, as I've noted before, that the Leaf suits our lifestyle perfectly.
That allowed for some repairs to the Fabia but no big bills.
I consider £50/month a fair price for driving a very well equipped brand new car instead of a ten year old Skoda.
It should be said, as I've noted before, that the Leaf suits our lifestyle perfectly.
budfox said:
My "man maths" on replacing a 55 reg Fabia TDi with 100k on the clock with a Leaf on a four year deal resulted in the Leaf costing about £50/month more.
That allowed for some repairs to the Fabia but no big bills.
I consider £50/month a fair price for driving a very well equipped brand new car instead of a ten year old Skoda.
It should be said, as I've noted before, that the Leaf suits our lifestyle perfectly.
I used similar logic to justify our new ZOE. It replaced a ten year old Citroen C5 2.0HDI. Worked out the ZOE costs about £20-30 per month more than the Citroen, also assuming the old car didn't go wrong in a big way.That allowed for some repairs to the Fabia but no big bills.
I consider £50/month a fair price for driving a very well equipped brand new car instead of a ten year old Skoda.
It should be said, as I've noted before, that the Leaf suits our lifestyle perfectly.
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