Yamaha Motiv.E - Gordon murray T25
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just seen this, might be old news.
2019? Im sure this was supposed to hit the roads in 2016!
the manufacturing process may be revolutionary but based on specs its looking like it'll be outdate before it arrives
carscoop said:
Yamaha has green-lighted production of Gordon Murray’s Motiv city car with reports talking about entering the market as early as 2019.
According to the same report, Yamaha is ready to spend “tens of billions of yen” for building a manufacturing plant in Europe but the decision of where to build it has not been taken yet. Yamaha targets the European market mainly with its Smart-rivalling city car but is also considering selling it in Japan and other emerging markets in Asia.
Designed and conceived by legendary British designer Gordon Murray (the father of the McLaren F1), the Yamaha Motiv will be available in petrol and electric versions. The car you see in the photos here is the Motiv.e concept shown at the 2013 Tokyo Motor Show, powered by a 33hp electric motor and with a declared range of 100 miles (161km).
Yamaha said back then than a full-charge takes three hours from a domestic socket and one hour using a quick charger. The 1-litre gasoline version is expected to make around 70-80hp, using an all-new three cylinder engine, made exclusively for the Motiv by Yamaha. The petrol engine will send its power to the rear wheels through a six-speed double-clutch transmission.
Master designer Gordon Murray needed a partnership with a big player in order for his new child to reach production, a project he fully engineered for the past few years, coming up with a revolutionary manufacturing process called iStream. Inspired by Formula 1, the iStream process uses simple tubular steel frames with lightweight composite panels bonded on to them, offering class-leading rigidity and safety, while keeping the weight as low as possible.
Yamaha has fully embraced Murray’s vision and the Motiv is expected to be built using these exact techniques.
Original Article: http://www.carscoops.com/2015/02/yamaha-will-build...According to the same report, Yamaha is ready to spend “tens of billions of yen” for building a manufacturing plant in Europe but the decision of where to build it has not been taken yet. Yamaha targets the European market mainly with its Smart-rivalling city car but is also considering selling it in Japan and other emerging markets in Asia.
Designed and conceived by legendary British designer Gordon Murray (the father of the McLaren F1), the Yamaha Motiv will be available in petrol and electric versions. The car you see in the photos here is the Motiv.e concept shown at the 2013 Tokyo Motor Show, powered by a 33hp electric motor and with a declared range of 100 miles (161km).
Yamaha said back then than a full-charge takes three hours from a domestic socket and one hour using a quick charger. The 1-litre gasoline version is expected to make around 70-80hp, using an all-new three cylinder engine, made exclusively for the Motiv by Yamaha. The petrol engine will send its power to the rear wheels through a six-speed double-clutch transmission.
Master designer Gordon Murray needed a partnership with a big player in order for his new child to reach production, a project he fully engineered for the past few years, coming up with a revolutionary manufacturing process called iStream. Inspired by Formula 1, the iStream process uses simple tubular steel frames with lightweight composite panels bonded on to them, offering class-leading rigidity and safety, while keeping the weight as low as possible.
Yamaha has fully embraced Murray’s vision and the Motiv is expected to be built using these exact techniques.
2019? Im sure this was supposed to hit the roads in 2016!
the manufacturing process may be revolutionary but based on specs its looking like it'll be outdate before it arrives
Good luck and it looks like Yamaha are taking it seriously, but surely it will be either outdated or significantly different by launch at the end of the decade?
There must be a good deal of IP in the car or manufacturing process. Either that or a Yamaha have got the lot for bugger all in a last ditch sale by GM and a good name to attach to the vehicle.
There must be a good deal of IP in the car or manufacturing process. Either that or a Yamaha have got the lot for bugger all in a last ditch sale by GM and a good name to attach to the vehicle.
Amateurish said:
Yes, I think Renault beat them with the Twizy by 7 years!
Looking at the figures it would seem that the battery is about the same size as a twizy, the motor is about 50% more powerful, it is considerably heavier yet the range estimate is '100 miles, real world' rather than about 40. What kind of magic is going on here?AnotherClarkey said:
Looking at the figures it would seem that the battery is about the same size as a twizy, the motor is about 50% more powerful, it is considerably heavier yet the range estimate is '100 miles, real world' rather than about 40. What kind of magic is going on here?
Japanese range tests. The Leaf has a "declared range" on the Japanese test of 143 miles.Hahahahahahaheeho.
Even the NEDC comedy range is only 124 miles.
I would estimate about 50 for the Motiv.E
I've had a little more of a think here...
the one thing not mentioned is cost, the whole point of this manufacturing method is to build the cars quickly and cheaply.
the Twizy is ~7000 but is a quad with a roof and optional doors, its not a proper car.
the motive.e isn't really a rival for this, I'd say the closest option is the Smart Fourtwo on paper which is around £15000 after government grants. Thats a big difference in price and car between the 2 cheapest options for a new EV, definitely room between them for something but I dont think this will be much if any cheaper than the smart.
I think Yamaha have strayed too far from the initial design brilliance, the Motiv.e is a huge departure from the T.25 and T.27 designed by Gordon.
Normal doors instead of a canopy add weight and reduce parking options.
Side by side seating for 2 instead of the 1+2 layout intended, so less seats and much wider
730 kg weight is a big increase over 575kg in such a small car
for me the original seems closer to the twizy
the one thing not mentioned is cost, the whole point of this manufacturing method is to build the cars quickly and cheaply.
the Twizy is ~7000 but is a quad with a roof and optional doors, its not a proper car.
the motive.e isn't really a rival for this, I'd say the closest option is the Smart Fourtwo on paper which is around £15000 after government grants. Thats a big difference in price and car between the 2 cheapest options for a new EV, definitely room between them for something but I dont think this will be much if any cheaper than the smart.
I think Yamaha have strayed too far from the initial design brilliance, the Motiv.e is a huge departure from the T.25 and T.27 designed by Gordon.
Normal doors instead of a canopy add weight and reduce parking options.
Side by side seating for 2 instead of the 1+2 layout intended, so less seats and much wider
730 kg weight is a big increase over 575kg in such a small car
for me the original seems closer to the twizy
andburg said:
I've had a little more of a think here...
the one thing not mentioned is cost, the whole point of this manufacturing method is to build the cars quickly and cheaply.
the Twizy is ~7000 but is a quad with a roof and optional doors, its not a proper car.
the motive.e isn't really a rival for this, I'd say the closest option is the Smart Fourtwo on paper which is around £15000 after government grants. Thats a big difference in price and car between the 2 cheapest options for a new EV, definitely room between them for something but I dont think this will be much if any cheaper than the smart.
I think Yamaha have strayed too far from the initial design brilliance, the Motiv.e is a huge departure from the T.25 and T.27 designed by Gordon.
Normal doors instead of a canopy add weight and reduce parking options.
Side by side seating for 2 instead of the 1+2 layout intended, so less seats and much wider
730 kg weight is a big increase over 575kg in such a small car
for me the original seems closer to the twizy
Surely this will have to be around or under the £10k mark to remain anywhere near its design intent? If it lives up to the numbers published then I could be tempted for commuting - especially if it manages to retain a spark of driving fun,the one thing not mentioned is cost, the whole point of this manufacturing method is to build the cars quickly and cheaply.
the Twizy is ~7000 but is a quad with a roof and optional doors, its not a proper car.
the motive.e isn't really a rival for this, I'd say the closest option is the Smart Fourtwo on paper which is around £15000 after government grants. Thats a big difference in price and car between the 2 cheapest options for a new EV, definitely room between them for something but I dont think this will be much if any cheaper than the smart.
I think Yamaha have strayed too far from the initial design brilliance, the Motiv.e is a huge departure from the T.25 and T.27 designed by Gordon.
Normal doors instead of a canopy add weight and reduce parking options.
Side by side seating for 2 instead of the 1+2 layout intended, so less seats and much wider
730 kg weight is a big increase over 575kg in such a small car
for me the original seems closer to the twizy
Gordon Murray Design are actually in progress with a few other manufacturers too, these are all different designs than the Yamaha Motiv.E / T25.
For example, one is like a modern day Lotus Elan and another is a small truck for developing nations. The current status of these projects is that they are active however no further details have been provided. Expect further news in a few months time (hopefully).
For example, one is like a modern day Lotus Elan and another is a small truck for developing nations. The current status of these projects is that they are active however no further details have been provided. Expect further news in a few months time (hopefully).
andburg said:
I've had a little more of a think here...
the one thing not mentioned is cost, the whole point of this manufacturing method is to build the cars quickly and cheaply.
the Twizy is ~7000 but is a quad with a roof and optional doors, its not a proper car.
the motive.e isn't really a rival for this, I'd say the closest option is the Smart Fourtwo on paper which is around £15000 after government grants. Thats a big difference in price and car between the 2 cheapest options for a new EV, definitely room between them for something but I dont think this will be much if any cheaper than the smart.
I think Yamaha have strayed too far from the initial design brilliance, the Motiv.e is a huge departure from the T.25 and T.27 designed by Gordon.
Normal doors instead of a canopy add weight and reduce parking options.
Side by side seating for 2 instead of the 1+2 layout intended, so less seats and much wider
730 kg weight is a big increase over 575kg in such a small car
for me the original seems closer to the twizy
Agree - it's a real shame that they have lost the 1+2 seating and the super light weight, not sure it'll have any USP's for me now sadly.the one thing not mentioned is cost, the whole point of this manufacturing method is to build the cars quickly and cheaply.
the Twizy is ~7000 but is a quad with a roof and optional doors, its not a proper car.
the motive.e isn't really a rival for this, I'd say the closest option is the Smart Fourtwo on paper which is around £15000 after government grants. Thats a big difference in price and car between the 2 cheapest options for a new EV, definitely room between them for something but I dont think this will be much if any cheaper than the smart.
I think Yamaha have strayed too far from the initial design brilliance, the Motiv.e is a huge departure from the T.25 and T.27 designed by Gordon.
Normal doors instead of a canopy add weight and reduce parking options.
Side by side seating for 2 instead of the 1+2 layout intended, so less seats and much wider
730 kg weight is a big increase over 575kg in such a small car
for me the original seems closer to the twizy
Looks like they're revisiting the t.25 (with Shell and ex Honda F1 engine chap), sounds interesting, fingers crossed something comes of it eventually...
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/15708/gordon-murray-unve...
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/15708/gordon-murray-unve...
Edited by danp on Thursday 9th April 15:57
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