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[jamoor]

The problem I have with these cars at present is that if tesla goes bankrupt you're stuck with one very expensive paperweight

[gangzoom]

jamoor said:

The problem I have with these cars at present is that if tesla goes bankrupt you're stuck with one very expensive paperweight

Personally I would be more worried about the likes of Jaguar going bankrupt than Tesla

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/tesla-powerwall...

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/11/tesla-model-x-r...

http://m.industryweek.com/transportation/tesla-sto...

http://fortune.com/inside-elon-musks-billion-dolla...

The only concern with Tesla is how much time the CEO actually spends at Tesla giving his other company is trying to help NASA get man to Mars!

http://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-and-spacex-shar...

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 26th May 05:46

[jamoor]

gangzoom said:

Personally I would be more worried about the likes of Jaguar going bankrupt than Tesla

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/tesla-powerwall...

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/11/tesla-model-x-r...

http://m.industryweek.com/transportation/tesla-sto...

http://fortune.com/inside-elon-musks-billion-dolla...

The only concern with Tesla is how much time the CEO actually spends at Tesla giving his other company is trying to help NASA get man to Mars!

http://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-and-spacex-shar...

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 26th May 05:46

But jaguars are built with parts sourced from other suppliers and you could keep it running until the end of its service life without issue much like Saabs
This connected car however is a different story moreso when you take into account that the supercharger network is owned by them.

[kalibre46]

Thanks for the replies thus far.

jamoor said:

But jaguars are built with parts sourced from other suppliers and you could keep it running until the end of its service life without issue much like Saabs
This connected car however is a different story moreso when you take into account that the supercharger network is owned by them.

It depends on how you're buying/financing it. Currently they are convincing as company cars because of the low BIK. I've opted for a fully maintained agreement so in the event of Tesla folding the maintenance becomes the fleet companies problem. With that said you can't justify a P85D using man maths alone, but there has got to be an emotional attachment to the performance at some level that makes you go the extra jump in price.

I'm quite liking the notion that I know the car that arrives in October/November will be better than the one I've spec'd now due to software and potentially hardware updates during the build process. To say I can't wait is an understatement!

[bp1000]

The performance really is bonkers. I felt my blood rush away from my face and legs.

Apparently above 60/70mph its not as brutal and the power does start to drop. I will be interested to see how this pans out.

Even though i have a p85d on order i think the 70D is a hell of a buy. It gives you most of what you need and is still quick! I does indeed need another level of man maths.

If this wasn't very cheap through a company i don't think i would buy one yet. It would have to drop to 40-50k max for me to say YES! privately.

As for the the preston to cheltenham journey. There is a permit out for 2 superchargers cited at the Cheltenham chase hotel. They aren't live yet but 2 will be at some point. If you were fully charged you could do a quick run there easily. Charge for 20 mins back up to 200 miles and have enough to get back without disruption.

If you didn't have a full charge the warrington one can take care of that. This obviously works out best once the Gloucester supercharger comes on line

[oop north]

bp1000 said:

As for the the preston to cheltenham journey. There is a permit out for 2 superchargers cited at the Cheltenham chase hotel. They aren't live yet but 2 will be at some point. If you were fully charged you could do a quick run there easily. Charge for 20 mins back up to 200 miles and have enough to get back without disruption.

If you didn't have a full charge the warrington one can take care of that. This obviously works out best once the Gloucester supercharger comes on line

Thanks for this - am hoping to go to the tesla store in Knutsford to ask the same question to get them to persuade me. Am also a bit concerned at the moment about the possible loss of the £5k grant - for which I think the initial funds allocation is due to be used up before I would take delivery. Don't fancy a £5k increase in expected price, though I think the emerging evidence on nox emissions should help its extension.

Not sure how I decide if 85 is worth extra £8k over 70 - could save 4k of that by going 2wd but living in the country I think 4wd would be good (would definitely get winter set of wheels/tyres either way)

[Jonsv8]

I was in knutsford the other day and back there tomorrow. They've a variety of cars, 2 with Dutch number plates oddly and left hand drive. They don't make it easy to try what you might buy..

He mentioned there are some 85 around (not dual) which are unregistered. Might be a deal to be had in those ( he didn't suggest there would be, we were only discussing availability)

Most of the services on the motorway have the dc charging points so you could stop for a 15 comfort break on the way their or back and probably get enough boost to complete the trip easily enough. It's a small price to pay

Does anybody have experience on companies paying mileage on an tesla? I can get between 11 and 19p depending on engine and hybrids tend to pay based on the engine that's still there.

[oop north]

Jonsv8 said:

Does anybody have experience on companies paying mileage on an tesla? I can get between 11 and 19p depending on engine and hybrids tend to pay based on the engine that's still there.

Very few will have experience (and I don't) but I have just had a quick look and (1) electricity is not counted as fuel by hmrc (2) you can get tax relief in difference between 45p/25p per mile and what employer pays as mileage rate if your own car - if company car and you get anything paid then that is taxable and NICable (3) a very quick google suggests some employers pay same mileage rate regardless of fuel used. There is no hmrc advisory rate for electric cars

[Jonsv8]

oop north said:

Jonsv8 said:

Does anybody have experience on companies paying mileage on an tesla? I can get between 11 and 19p depending on engine and hybrids tend to pay based on the engine that's still there.

Very few will have experience (and I don't) but I have just had a quick look and (1) electricity is not counted as fuel by hmrc (2) you can get tax relief in difference between 45p/25p per mile and what employer pays as mileage rate if your own car - if company car and you get anything paid then that is taxable and NICable (3) a very quick google suggests some employers pay same mileage rate regardless of fuel used. There is no hmrc advisory rate for electric cars

Thanks - it will be through the company so the "extra" between what the company pays and the HMRC 45/25p won't apply. Its what companies typically offer that interests me and past companies have asked for VAT invoices as well to cover mileage, presumably so they can recover the VAT.

I've asked the question internally but I like to have a view of what's reasonable so I can check their answer

[jamoor]

Jonsv8 said:

I was in knutsford the other day and back there tomorrow. They've a variety of cars, 2 with Dutch number plates oddly and left hand drive. They don't make it easy to try what you might buy..

He mentioned there are some 85 around (not dual) which are unregistered. Might be a deal to be had in those ( he didn't suggest there would be, we were only discussing availability)

Most of the services on the motorway have the dc charging points so you could stop for a 15 comfort break on the way their or back and probably get enough boost to complete the trip easily enough. It's a small price to pay

Does anybody have experience on companies paying mileage on an tesla? I can get between 11 and 19p depending on engine and hybrids tend to pay based on the engine that's still there.

When I was there I wondered who drove them as UK residents aren't meant to drive foreign plated cars in the uk

[Jonsv8]

jamoor said:

When I was there I wondered who drove them as UK residents aren't meant to drive foreign plated cars in the uk

Don't tell Tesla - they're demo cars!

[Jonsv8]

..and now they're doing 19" wheels again on the P85D

Its this level of chopping and changing that plants the small seeds of doubt that they actually know what they're doing.

[oop north]

Jonsv8 said:

..and now they're doing 19" wheels again on the P85D

Its this level of chopping and changing that plants the small seeds of doubt that they actually know what they're doing.

Not jut me then - when I had a test drive last October/November, the salesman didn't know about the price changes that had happened the day before (and the change in delivery date). the prices then changed again on the Monday. And they haver changed significantly at least two time since then, with the price foe 4wd changing from 2500 to 4100, the roof becoming cheaper etc etc etc. Really irritating - just raises worries that the right time to order might be a month after I actually order, or a month sooner, or six months some other way

[grahamsimmonds]

I think the reason they put the 19" wheels back in on the P85D is that a whole bunch of dumb yanks moaned about it. It is a travesty to have supercar performance with a suspension set up tuned to the 21" wheels and then put 19" wheels on it. They might as well be square. If you are buying a Model S with 19" wheels go for the non-P cars which are more suited to them.

The P85D is already hideously expensive. If you can afford to buy or lease one, you can afford the wheels as well.

[jamoor]

grahamsimmonds said:

I think the reason they put the 19" wheels back in on the P85D is that a whole bunch of dumb yanks moaned about it. It is a travesty to have supercar performance with a suspension set up tuned to the 21" wheels and then put 19" wheels on it. They might as well be square. If you are buying a Model S with 19" wheels go for the non-P cars which are more suited to them.

The P85D is already hideously expensive. If you can afford to buy or lease one, you can afford the wheels as well.

How does wheel size in this instance affect handling/suspension?

That's a serious question, I don't know.

[Jonsv8]

jamoor said:

grahamsimmonds said:

I think the reason they put the 19" wheels back in on the P85D is that a whole bunch of dumb yanks moaned about it. It is a travesty to have supercar performance with a suspension set up tuned to the 21" wheels and then put 19" wheels on it. They might as well be square. If you are buying a Model S with 19" wheels go for the non-P cars which are more suited to them.

The P85D is already hideously expensive. If you can afford to buy or lease one, you can afford the wheels as well.

How does wheel size in this instance affect handling/suspension?

That's a serious question, I don't know.

The suspension is the same across all current teslas with an option for air suspension.

3.8k upgrade cost for vanity wheels is where the real joke is

[kalibre46]

Jonsv8 said:

The suspension is the same across all current teslas with an option for air suspension.

3.8k upgrade cost for vanity wheels is where the real joke is

Expensive yes, but in-line with other brands that have a 21" option. I chose them on my P85D spec because my car will be fully maintained and the maintenance charge was the same as 19", so the tyre cost was a non-factor.

[Jonsv8]

kalibre46 said:

Jonsv8 said:

The suspension is the same across all current teslas with an option for air suspension.

3.8k upgrade cost for vanity wheels is where the real joke is

Expensive yes, but in-line with other brands that have a 21" option. I chose them on my P85D spec because my car will be fully maintained and the maintenance charge was the same as 19", so the tyre cost was a non-factor.

I'm looking at one as a company car and the option wound need to be paid over the 30 month lease. 3.8k less vat is about 3.2k, factor in tax saving is 1.6k so about £50 a month. On the one hand not much, on the other it all adds up.

The reviews suggest the 19s are a slightly better ride, the 21 slightly better handling but the post I responded to that implied they were pretty much essential is wrong in my book, I've had too many bmws with bigger alloys and regretted it, My Aston Martin also runs on 19 quite happily.. The 21 certainly look good though, I'll give them that..

[kalibre46]

Jonsv8 said:

I'm looking at one as a company car and the option wound need to be paid over the 30 month lease. 3.8k less vat is about 3.2k, factor in tax saving is 1.6k so about £50 a month. On the one hand not much, on the other it all adds up.

The reviews suggest the 19s are a slightly better ride, the 21 slightly better handling but the post I responded to that implied they were pretty much essential is wrong in my book, I've had too many bmws with bigger alloys and regretted it, My Aston Martin also runs on 19 quite happily.. The 21 certainly look good though, I'll give them that..

It does add up, but the retained value also lessens the blow when it comes to resale/residuals. TBH I've gone for 21 without Air suspension because I felt that the ride was too disconnected in the test cars I drove.

Re the Aston (I think we've spoken before in that forum too) a Vantage sits well on 19" but I always felt with my DB9 that it could have done with 20" or even 21s" because of the weight and ride.

Living with the 21s and not curbing them constantly is probably my biggest challenge. I've seen some state-side rim protectors that look pretty cool, so I might have a play with those when the car arrives.

[bp1000]

One of the reasons i went for 19s on the P85D order is it helps reduce my BiK bill. I can add them after if i wish and will most likely look for a used set once they get a bit more popular. I havent even looked on eBay yet but the 21s havent changed and i will likely be able to sell them on for not much less than what i paid used.

19s will be my winter set.

I specced air suspension just because i thought it sounded like a nice option. Its a family car after all so its nice to have a comfy ride when i need it.