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bp1000 said:
One of the reasons i went for 19s on the P85D order is it helps reduce my BiK bill. I can add them after if i wish and will most likely look for a used set once they get a bit more popular. I havent even looked on eBay yet but the 21s havent changed and i will likely be able to sell them on for not much less than what i paid used.
19s will be my winter set.
I specced air suspension just because i thought it sounded like a nice option. Its a family car after all so its nice to have a comfy ride when i need it.
My standard suspension model S riding on 21" wheels is no less comfortable than the merc CLS on 18"s it replaced so not as big an issue as as you might think. Just stay away from any kerbs.19s will be my winter set.
I specced air suspension just because i thought it sounded like a nice option. Its a family car after all so its nice to have a comfy ride when i need it.
Well its looking kind of academic on my company scheme. The quote they've come in with for the 85D (not even the P85D) over 3 years is £1674.
At my previous company the P85D was only £1350.
The Tesla price guarantee (excluding insurance service, tyres etc) is only about £1050 a month
I've queried it but if that's the price I might go for a Merc S class 500 hybrid which is a fair bit cheaper.
At my previous company the P85D was only £1350.
The Tesla price guarantee (excluding insurance service, tyres etc) is only about £1050 a month
I've queried it but if that's the price I might go for a Merc S class 500 hybrid which is a fair bit cheaper.
twoblacklines said:
If I could afford one I would ditch petrol for one any day of the week but at £80k for a full spec P85...nah
A Model S isn't going to be for everyone, partly due to the cost but also because your driving habits, routines and performance demands need to match what it can deliver.Ignoring any badge bias you are essentially looking at an 85D being the equivalent in size and road performance as as an M5 which you'd still have to splash £70k+ on. Factor in fuel savings etc etc and it's a very real prospect for quite a few people.
The P85D is harder to justify on paper given the increase in cost, however it's down to how much you value the performance? Afterall who can justify a 911 Turbo S over a standard 911 or a V12 Vantage S over a V8V? At that level it's whatever floats your boat.
I love performance cars so I did the maths and pitched for the P85D, but I fully understand those that think it's too expensive.
I finally got the chance to see one lastngiht. In two words 'I'm sold' 
The Model S hides its size really well, some lovely lines and porportion. Nothing aggressive or over the top. As long as I get one with cream leather and paranmoic roof my wife is happy. In a way I'm glad I'm tied into the Nissan Leaf PCP contract for another 22 months. Gives me more time to save,and a chance for the second hand market to develop. A RWD 2015, 85kWh Model S for £45-50K would be perfect for me in early 2017....I know that seems like along time to wait for a car, but cannot justify wasting that kind of money right now on a car, not when I still have a mortagage to pay off, so some hard saving now and who knows, a used P85D might even fall into budget
The Model S hides its size really well, some lovely lines and porportion. Nothing aggressive or over the top. As long as I get one with cream leather and paranmoic roof my wife is happy. In a way I'm glad I'm tied into the Nissan Leaf PCP contract for another 22 months. Gives me more time to save,and a chance for the second hand market to develop. A RWD 2015, 85kWh Model S for £45-50K would be perfect for me in early 2017....I know that seems like along time to wait for a car, but cannot justify wasting that kind of money right now on a car, not when I still have a mortagage to pay off, so some hard saving now and who knows, a used P85D might even fall into budget
Edited by gangzoom on Friday 19th June 14:30
kalibre46 said:
A Model S isn't going to be for everyone, partly due to the cost but also because your driving habits, routines and performance demands need to match what it can deliver.
Ignoring any badge bias you are essentially looking at an 85D being the equivalent in size and road performance as as an M5 which you'd still have to splash £70k+ on. Factor in fuel savings etc etc and it's a very real prospect for quite a few people.
The P85D is harder to justify on paper given the increase in cost, however it's down to how much you value the performance? Afterall who can justify a 911 Turbo S over a standard 911 or a V12 Vantage S over a V8V? At that level it's whatever floats your boat.
I love performance cars so I did the maths and pitched for the P85D, but I fully understand those that think it's too expensive.
For me the problem is...I like performance cars to sound fast too. A silent Aventador or F12 would not do. So I would buy a car like a Tesla for its advantages; no congestion charge, free journeys, etc, not for performance. I guess an S85D would be better but even then..I am a guy who goes out to Plymouth for a night driving, gets bored and ends up in Aberystwith the next morning...no Superchargers there...I would be fIgnoring any badge bias you are essentially looking at an 85D being the equivalent in size and road performance as as an M5 which you'd still have to splash £70k+ on. Factor in fuel savings etc etc and it's a very real prospect for quite a few people.
The P85D is harder to justify on paper given the increase in cost, however it's down to how much you value the performance? Afterall who can justify a 911 Turbo S over a standard 911 or a V12 Vantage S over a V8V? At that level it's whatever floats your boat.
I love performance cars so I did the maths and pitched for the P85D, but I fully understand those that think it's too expensive.
ked.twoblacklines said:
For me the problem is...I like performance cars to sound fast too. A silent Aventador or F12 would not do. So I would buy a car like a Tesla for its advantages; no congestion charge, free journeys, etc, not for performance. I guess an S85D would be better but even then..I am a guy who goes out to Plymouth for a night driving, gets bored and ends up in Aberystwith the next morning...no Superchargers there...I would be fked.
Sounding fast on the outside or the inside? The unexpected thing for me when test driving the Model S was the motor 'whine' when under hard acceleration, it's nice to have that audible feedback and it's also quite addictive. The dual motor versions obviously have more of this noise going on also which is cool. Having noise on the outside is nice in tunnels etc in traditional cars, however you can easily look like a prize n0b dipping into that power around town etc because it's obvious. The Model S is kinda stealth in that regard, you can dart around traffic without sounding like a boy racer. Just a different way of looking at it I guess. Don't get me wrong I miss the burble of the 6L V12 that was in my DB9.ked.Regarding chargers there are thousands out there and you don't 'need' superchargers to charge quickly. Simple buy a CHAdeMO cable and many more options open up to you. Have a browse on ZapMap to get a feel. Lots of charging options in Aberystwyth BTW.
supermono said:
Had to laugh at this. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/28/friday-funny...
Lol, but I seriously doubt anyone would be using the generator as a viable alternative to the abundant Californian supercharger network. The generator isn't going to get even close to the 320 amp or so output they offer.As for the battery swapping, Elon Musk recently implied that the program would probably be stopping soon because of the lack of up-take from customers wanting to use the service. It seems the supercharger network has rendered it defunct for all but the most impatient clients.
kalibre46 said:
supermono said:
Had to laugh at this. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/28/friday-funny...
Lol, but I seriously doubt anyone would be using the generator as a viable alternative to the abundant Californian supercharger network. The generator isn't going to get even close to the 320 amp or so output they offer.As for the battery swapping, Elon Musk recently implied that the program would probably be stopping soon because of the lack of up-take from customers wanting to use the service. It seems the supercharger network has rendered it defunct for all but the most impatient clients.
Imagine if a Apple started offering iphone battery swaps as an alternative to overnight charging. How many people would bother, especially if the battery already lasted about 10 days from a single charge.
98elise said:
I can see why. 250-300 mile range is plenty for the majority of drivers and is similar to an ICE car. On a long journey that equates to 4-5 hours of driving so a 20 minute comfort/recharge break would be welcome. If you can change at home over night, then going somewhere to change the battery just seems like hassle you just don't need.
Imagine if a Apple started offering iphone battery swaps as an alternative to overnight charging. How many people would bother, especially if the battery already lasted about 10 days from a single charge.
To charge a tesla from empty to full costs around £10 at home. I think you'd look to charge up while your out where you can do long as it's not massively inconvenient.Imagine if a Apple started offering iphone battery swaps as an alternative to overnight charging. How many people would bother, especially if the battery already lasted about 10 days from a single charge.
Anyway, it's back on the agenda for me as the company car lease provider has finally stumped up sensible numbers
JonV8V said:
To charge a tesla from empty to full costs around £10 at home. I think you'd look to charge up while your out where you can do long as it's not massively inconvenient.
Anyway, it's back on the agenda for me as the company car lease provider has finally stumped up sensible numbers
Glad to hear it, I'm busy renegotiating with mine about squeezing in the 90kwh battery and Ludicrous mode before I take delivery!Anyway, it's back on the agenda for me as the company car lease provider has finally stumped up sensible numbers
kalibre46 said:
JonV8V said:
To charge a tesla from empty to full costs around £10 at home. I think you'd look to charge up while your out where you can do long as it's not massively inconvenient.
Anyway, it's back on the agenda for me as the company car lease provider has finally stumped up sensible numbers
Glad to hear it, I'm busy renegotiating with mine about squeezing in the 90kwh battery and Ludicrous mode before I take delivery!Anyway, it's back on the agenda for me as the company car lease provider has finally stumped up sensible numbers
JonV8V said:
I've ordered mine today. Decided against the P as the more I read it really only comes into its own if you go Ludicrous - the power delivery seems to be limited to around 450 bhp otherwise as thats all the batteries can sustainably give - and I need max range as a 250 mile round trip is not unusual. So its a 90D and auto pilot as I think that's the area where new developments will come steadily over time.
Congrats, when is your estimated delivery? My whole order is hanging in the balance after discussions with Tesla. It's seeing who will flinch first currently.....kalibre46 said:
JonV8V said:
I've ordered mine today. Decided against the P as the more I read it really only comes into its own if you go Ludicrous - the power delivery seems to be limited to around 450 bhp otherwise as thats all the batteries can sustainably give - and I need max range as a 250 mile round trip is not unusual. So its a 90D and auto pilot as I think that's the area where new developments will come steadily over time.
Congrats, when is your estimated delivery? My whole order is hanging in the balance after discussions with Tesla. It's seeing who will flinch first currently.....At least I won't need to do this in the work car park when its being charged!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI
Tesla cars can now feed themselves.
Soon they will be able to drive themselves.
Once they can sell photocopiers to other Tesla cars what reason will they have to carry the puny meat bags at all?
Tesla cars can now feed themselves.
Soon they will be able to drive themselves.
Once they can sell photocopiers to other Tesla cars what reason will they have to carry the puny meat bags at all?
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