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ukshooter said:

Anyway, I now have a Chademo adaptor for the fast charging non Tesla sites and would say that on the whole no issues with using it as a long distance vehicle unless my home base was West Wales, East Coast of Suffolk/Norfolk or the Mid to North Scotland.

As of the last few months Mid to North Scotland has installed a lot of rapid chargers, you'll easily be able to travel 90% of it in a Tesla

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ukshooter said:

I have had my Tesla for 11 months and 25,000 miles. I have recently changed a pair of tyres (due to picking up a gash in one so changed the pair). Only other thing I have done is add screen wash.

As for long journeys, I drove to the Geneva Motor show from Reading last March. Started with a full charge early am, drove to Calais via tunnel and stopped at Tesla supercharger to get full again whilst having some breakfast at the hotel adjacent. We were charging for about 1 hour 15 minutes.

Next step was Senlis near Paris and stopped for lunch and a full charge again (around 1 hour 10 minutes).

Bad traffic getting out of Paris meant the whole journey extended by about an hour compared to last years trip in a Range Rover. Stopped at Auxerre next for about 40 minutes to charge then on to Macon for another charge. could have got away with a 10 minute charge to get to Geneva but charged for about 30 minutes. Stayed at the Best Western just on French side of Geneva at Archamps as great rate and Tesla superchargers outside!
Next day was spent at the show, drove into the city to collect a friend and then parked up at the airport parking, returning to Archamps in the evening.

Started the next morning with a full charge and decided to avoid Senlis on route back. So, stopped at Nuits-St George instead, can't remember for how long, then on to a Temporary supercharger spot near Arras and finally back to Calais to top up before getting home.

Anyway, I now have a Chademo adaptor for the fast charging non Tesla sites and would say that on the whole no issues with using it as a long distance vehicle unless my home base was West Wales, East Coast of Suffolk/Norfolk or the Mid to North Scotland.

So what was your total trip time between Calais and Geneva and back? How fast were you cruising between NSG and Arras? That would seem to be the extreme end of the range and indicate quite a sedate pace.

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JonV8V said:

CAP are taking a 3 year view, the peren FB has real 1 year view. Both could be right. I've just sold my well spec'd 640d gran coupe which cost 65k after discount 3 years ago for mid 20k. The tesla should better that easily as a % but as it's starting over 10k higher a 50%+ drop is still a 40k hit about the same. Depends where you see depreciation as a % of a cash amount.

Surely depreciation has to be a %, otherwise we'd all be driving Dacia Sanderos!

Cheapest new Model S is £50k. Cheapest used Model S on Autotrader is ... £50k.

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Amateurish said:

JonV8V said:

CAP are taking a 3 year view, the peren FB has real 1 year view. Both could be right. I've just sold my well spec'd 640d gran coupe which cost 65k after discount 3 years ago for mid 20k. The tesla should better that easily as a % but as it's starting over 10k higher a 50%+ drop is still a 40k hit about the same. Depends where you see depreciation as a % of a cash amount.

Surely depreciation has to be a %, otherwise we'd all be driving Dacia Sanderos!

Cheapest new Model S is £50k. Cheapest used Model S on Autotrader is ... £50k.

At last, a car that doesn't depreciate!!

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Amateurish said:

Surely depreciation has to be a %, otherwise we'd all be driving Dacia Sanderos!

Cheapest new Model S is £50k. Cheapest used Model S on Autotrader is ... £50k.

Cheapest car on auto trader is about 70k new inc options. 20k loss after 1 year if he gets the asking price

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Ofcourse a Model S depreciates, it's a mass produced car. I haven't got enough by money to be able to afford a £80K P90D, so instead will be getting a used P85 or a base spec 70S. I'm sure all those who can afford a £80K Model S understands fully the concept of deprecation.

Number of Model S's delivered to the UK is now approaching 3000, and ALOT seem to be the top spec models, that can only be good news for plebs like my self who haven't got enough for a brand new one. Cannot wait till Spring 2017 when the current contract on my Leaf finishes, a used P85 or a new 70S, either would keep me happy

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REALIST123 said:

So what was your total trip time between Calais and Geneva and back? How fast were you cruising between NSG and Arras? That would seem to be the extreme end of the range and indicate quite a sedate pace.

Unfortunately I can't remember for certain the total journey time but charging time starting on arrival at Calais to charge and then the others probably worked out at about 3 hours 40 to 4 hours. Most of the time the adaptive cruise was set at 130 kmh (you can switch all instruments between kmh and mph).

On the way back I set the cruise to 115 kmh to eek out the range.

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REALIST123 said:

Hi Andrew.

You've mentioned your trip to Cimbria before, would you mind telling us exactly how you do it, in terms of range between stops, where you charge up, how long you spend doing that and how long the trip takes you?

I make fairly frequent trips from Norfolk to the Haute Savoie region. At the moment we leave Norfolk mid afternoon and drive to Ashford where we stay over. Through the tunnel early the next day and I'm at my destination at 4 or 5 that afternoon, after a couple of short stops.

Returning, I leave the HS around midday and get to Saint Quentin by evening; stay over, then up to Calais the morning after, through the tunnel and I'm home by teatime.

How would I do that with a Tesla?

Hi,

I'm currently waiting so giving you a better update will have to come later. However, the way I did this was to spend some time with the guys at Tesla Zurich in a car seeing how it plots the routes on some of the large trips that we have to do. I compared against the actual times (including stops) that the trips had taken.

In the last year we've done home <-> North Lakes twice (1500 km each way), home <-> wife's family in NL 4x (about 700km each way); home <-> Barcelona 1x (1100km each way) plus numerous day trips to places like St. Moritz for skiing, which are just on the edge of range from here especially as you need to climb over 1000m to get there.

So I sat in a car and got it to plot the routes. It was actually a 70D but I thought this would give a better 'worst case' view.

I think realistically we're about 10 - 15% longer on these long trips than at the moment. We travel long trips mostly at night when the roads are clear and the children will sleep (hence traffic jams weren't an issue in the calculations). We've taken the view that setting off earlier and getting a few breaks for a bit of shut-eye isn't too big a compromise. The cost savings for us seem significant.

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chandrew said:

REALIST123 said:

Hi Andrew.

You've mentioned your trip to Cimbria before, would you mind telling us exactly how you do it, in terms of range between stops, where you charge up, how long you spend doing that and how long the trip takes you?

I make fairly frequent trips from Norfolk to the Haute Savoie region. At the moment we leave Norfolk mid afternoon and drive to Ashford where we stay over. Through the tunnel early the next day and I'm at my destination at 4 or 5 that afternoon, after a couple of short stops.

Returning, I leave the HS around midday and get to Saint Quentin by evening; stay over, then up to Calais the morning after, through the tunnel and I'm home by teatime.

How would I do that with a Tesla?

Hi,

I'm currently waiting so giving you a better update will have to come later. However, the way I did this was to spend some time with the guys at Tesla Zurich in a car seeing how it plots the routes on some of the large trips that we have to do. I compared against the actual times (including stops) that the trips had taken.

In the last year we've done home <-> North Lakes twice (1500 km each way), home <-> wife's family in NL 4x (about 700km each way); home <-> Barcelona 1x (1100km each way) plus numerous day trips to places like St. Moritz for skiing, which are just on the edge of range from here especially as you need to climb over 1000m to get there.

So I sat in a car and got it to plot the routes. It was actually a 70D but I thought this would give a better 'worst case' view.

I think realistically we're about 10 - 15% longer on these long trips than at the moment. We travel long trips mostly at night when the roads are clear and the children will sleep (hence traffic jams weren't an issue in the calculations). We've taken the view that setting off earlier and getting a few breaks for a bit of shut-eye isn't too big a compromise. The cost savings for us seem significant.

Thanks, for that. I think I misunderstood; I thought you'd already made the trip, not that it was just theoretical.

I can't see how I could do it without at least another overnight and as another regular trip I make, from Norwich to Cardiff, would apparently incur a 30 mile or so detour, plus charging times, and the fact that Norfolk seems bereft of charging stations I don't think it's viable for me yet.

I'm aware that Tesla are working on developments in braking and regeneration that will change the way the car feels and increase the range so I'll hang fire for now. Hopefully they'll be there when I want to get rid of the current cruiser and there'll be more charging points too.

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REALIST123 said:

Thanks, for that. I think I misunderstood; I thought you'd already made the trip, not that it was just theoretical.

I can't see how I could do it without at least another overnight and as another regular trip I make, from Norwich to Cardiff, would apparently incur a 30 mile or so detour, plus charging times, and the fact that Norfolk seems bereft of charging stations I don't think it's viable for me yet.

I'm aware that Tesla are working on developments in braking and regeneration that will change the way the car feels and increase the range so I'll hang fire for now. Hopefully they'll be there when I want to get rid of the current cruiser and there'll be more charging points too.

Cardiff to Norwich - google maps suggests the quickest route is to the m25 and around. Near Heathrow there are super chargers so it would add maybe 30min to your journey to stop there and charge while having a comfirt stop - assuming you can charge once in Norwich. Doesn't sound so bad.

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JonV8V said:

REALIST123 said:

Thanks, for that. I think I misunderstood; I thought you'd already made the trip, not that it was just theoretical.

I can't see how I could do it without at least another overnight and as another regular trip I make, from Norwich to Cardiff, would apparently incur a 30 mile or so detour, plus charging times, and the fact that Norfolk seems bereft of charging stations I don't think it's viable for me yet.

I'm aware that Tesla are working on developments in braking and regeneration that will change the way the car feels and increase the range so I'll hang fire for now. Hopefully they'll be there when I want to get rid of the current cruiser and there'll be more charging points too.

Cardiff to Norwich - google maps suggests the quickest route is to the m25 and around. Near Heathrow there are super chargers so it would add maybe 30min to your journey to stop there and charge while having a comfirt stop - assuming you can charge once in Norwich. Doesn't sound so bad.

But then I have to pay £6(?) to cross the bridge plus a boring, unpredictable, frustrating slog round the M11, M25 and M4. Been there done that.

Currently we do Milton Keynes, Moreton in the Marsh, Ross, then the 449. Nice, predictable, generally traffic free run other than MK on occasion.

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Just had a drive in a P90, with a quick go in ludicrous mode. Loved it! If only I could afford one...

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REALIST123 said:

But then I have to pay £6(?) to cross the bridge plus a boring, unpredictable, frustrating slog round the M11, M25 and M4. Been there done that.

Currently we do Milton Keynes, Moreton in the Marsh, Ross, then the 449. Nice, predictable, generally traffic free run other than MK on occasion.

£6 crossing the bridge, pop auto pilot for the next hour or so to Heathrow, a free charge, and auto pilot to Norwich. Your route is more scenic I'll grant you. There's no such thing as the 'best option', only the best option for you. It either fits into your life or doesn't.

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REALIST123 said:

But then I have to pay £6(?) to cross the bridge plus a boring, unpredictable, frustrating slog round the M11, M25 and M4. Been there done that.

Currently we do Milton Keynes, Moreton in the Marsh, Ross, then the 449. Nice, predictable, generally traffic free run other than MK on occasion.

Your route goes through my neck of the woods. It should only be 10 min extra to detour via the Supercharger at Roade (and also missing MK).

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Amateurish said:

REALIST123 said:

But then I have to pay £6(?) to cross the bridge plus a boring, unpredictable, frustrating slog round the M11, M25 and M4. Been there done that.

Currently we do Milton Keynes, Moreton in the Marsh, Ross, then the 449. Nice, predictable, generally traffic free run other than MK on occasion.

Your route goes through my neck of the woods. It should only be 10 min extra to detour via the Supercharger at Roade (and also missing MK).

That was the detour I mentioned earlier. A bit more than 10 minutes, more like 30 minutes and 30 miles plus charging time. Not too bad I agree but I'm not looking to fit in with Tesla, more wait till it all works as I want it to.

I'm sure it won't be long before they have chargers on the southern edge of MK, (even some in Norfolk!) and with a range improvement to a practical 300 miles or so I'll be interested.