BMW 330e ordered...
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Nice to see this thread flowing well now.
Have my 330e on way to dealer so a matter of days literally cant wait! Hopefully these government changes dont effect the 330e due to its co2 as a company car for me it was a no brainer as I typically go for 330d or even xdrive and lately tax is taking its toll!
With that in mind and the reductions I went all out in my order
BMW 330e Estoril Blue
Black Merino Individual Leather (So comfy!)
M Sport Plus Pack (Mainly for brakes, Harman Kardon and Icon Adaptive LED)
Advanced Parking Package
Interior Comfort Pack
Active Security Pack
Media Professional Plus
Electric Sunroof
Electric Seat and Lumbar Support
Active Cruise Control with Stop and Go
Surround View
TV Function
Enhanced Bluetooth and wireless charging (WIFI Hotspot)
Speed Limit Display
Just needs to bloody arrive! Have a F10 520d ED that was floating around in fleet I hate it handling is awful, One thing Ive noticed from my last F30 Xdrive is how good Xdrive actually was - Something I never noticed when I was driving it.
Get some photos on please!
Also having a rolec un-tethered installed, so i can keep type 2 to type 2 cable in car. As the quicker charging (I know we arent talking major differences) means im likely to use electric more, plus im hoping it means I will be able to pre-condition and ensure maximum charge
Have my 330e on way to dealer so a matter of days literally cant wait! Hopefully these government changes dont effect the 330e due to its co2 as a company car for me it was a no brainer as I typically go for 330d or even xdrive and lately tax is taking its toll!
With that in mind and the reductions I went all out in my order
BMW 330e Estoril Blue
Black Merino Individual Leather (So comfy!)
M Sport Plus Pack (Mainly for brakes, Harman Kardon and Icon Adaptive LED)
Advanced Parking Package
Interior Comfort Pack
Active Security Pack
Media Professional Plus
Electric Sunroof
Electric Seat and Lumbar Support
Active Cruise Control with Stop and Go
Surround View
TV Function
Enhanced Bluetooth and wireless charging (WIFI Hotspot)
Speed Limit Display
Just needs to bloody arrive! Have a F10 520d ED that was floating around in fleet I hate it handling is awful, One thing Ive noticed from my last F30 Xdrive is how good Xdrive actually was - Something I never noticed when I was driving it.
Get some photos on please!
Also having a rolec un-tethered installed, so i can keep type 2 to type 2 cable in car. As the quicker charging (I know we arent talking major differences) means im likely to use electric more, plus im hoping it means I will be able to pre-condition and ensure maximum charge
[quote=Tonycv51]Hi first time post - got my 330e 2 weeks ago and loving it. There's a great amount of information on here but I have a couple of questions I haven't seen, though it's a long thread so apologies if they've already been asked and answered :-
Heated door mirrors - are they meant to pre condition ? Mine don't and I wish they did as In the recent cold weather I get into my nice warm car and then can't see in my door mirrors when reversing off the drive, and they seem very slow /poor at de-misting. The manual says they're on when the ignition is on. I've not noticed a difference with heated rear window on or off
Hi
Yes unfortunately the door morriors don't precondition and i agree they take quite a while to clear.
Fully sideways sound like you've hit oil or something, even with traction off and a planted right foot you will struggle to get fully sideways as the traction and stabiity control do kick in if you get too out of shape. If you keep your finger on the traction button then that turns stability off too which does indeed get you fully sideways, be very carefull when trying this cause its a big difference!!
But in normal driving in Sport mode ive never had more than the slightest of slip before the traction stops you, even at full throttle on wet roads so think what happend to you sounds like a one off.
Heated door mirrors - are they meant to pre condition ? Mine don't and I wish they did as In the recent cold weather I get into my nice warm car and then can't see in my door mirrors when reversing off the drive, and they seem very slow /poor at de-misting. The manual says they're on when the ignition is on. I've not noticed a difference with heated rear window on or off
Hi
Yes unfortunately the door morriors don't precondition and i agree they take quite a while to clear.
Fully sideways sound like you've hit oil or something, even with traction off and a planted right foot you will struggle to get fully sideways as the traction and stabiity control do kick in if you get too out of shape. If you keep your finger on the traction button then that turns stability off too which does indeed get you fully sideways, be very carefull when trying this cause its a big difference!!
But in normal driving in Sport mode ive never had more than the slightest of slip before the traction stops you, even at full throttle on wet roads so think what happend to you sounds like a one off.
Tonycv51 said:
Hi first time post - lastly, my one shortish time driving in sport mode had the thing fully sideways turning right at some traffic lights (with traction control on...). It was in the middle of the day so it wasn't icy, but could have been some oil or grease on the road, or is this what to expect if you turn at low speed under reasonably enthusiastic throttle ?
Try it again and see what happens :-)Is it your first rwd car? If so you need to treat it with a bit more respect than a fwd car regardless of traction control etc. In sport + mode you can have loads of fun, even in the dry.
Another query from myself, that hopefully people can help with. On going Nav routing issues which BMW are looking in to. They say that under iDrive -> Connected Drive -> BMW Online -> Applications -> There should be an option 'Routes and Import'
I do not have this. Does anyone else???
I just have Connect Drive -> BMW Online -> Then options for News/Weather/Online Search/Office/More Applications/ConnectedDrive Store/Tools
No applications. If I go in to More Applications I get an alphabetical list of services, but no Routes or Import...
not my first rwd car, but certainly the most powerful. As HappyHarris said I was expecting more of a twitch
Re Connected drive does the menu vary depending on business vs pro nav - i can check mine tonight if no-one else replies, mine's a business version. Would have loved pro-nav and carplay but it was too much on my lease deal
I've asked the dealer about the poor mirror demisting as my drivers door takes a lot longer than the passenger door so hopefully it may get sorted. Have thought about pre conditioning the mirrors a bit more. Not sure how much charge it would take, and would draw that all the time even in summer, equally it seems a bit odd if its on all the time when driving on electric
Re Connected drive does the menu vary depending on business vs pro nav - i can check mine tonight if no-one else replies, mine's a business version. Would have loved pro-nav and carplay but it was too much on my lease deal
I've asked the dealer about the poor mirror demisting as my drivers door takes a lot longer than the passenger door so hopefully it may get sorted. Have thought about pre conditioning the mirrors a bit more. Not sure how much charge it would take, and would draw that all the time even in summer, equally it seems a bit odd if its on all the time when driving on electric
Edited by Tonycv51 on Wednesday 7th December 19:49
Funkydunc have checked and I see the same list as you on business nav and no routes and import option is there. What are you trying to do - destinations sent from the BMW App appear in messages, haven't tried the google send to car option as I'm rarely on my desktop when looking up directions and as far as I can tell it only works on a browser and not in the google maps phone app
My commute to work and back is approx 45 miles. I go Home - School - Work - Grand Parents - Home.
With faffing I programmed this in to the Nav. However it soon became clear the car looks at it section in isolation, so Home to School is 6 miles. It tries to use battery as much as possible as it is only 6 miles away, rather than seeing the total distance as 45 miles. BMW have confirmed this is correct functionality.
So they reckon the way to do it is use BMW routes creating waypoints (but only 1 start and finish) and save and send it to the vehicle using the web browser. Then use iDrive as explained to upload.
With faffing I programmed this in to the Nav. However it soon became clear the car looks at it section in isolation, so Home to School is 6 miles. It tries to use battery as much as possible as it is only 6 miles away, rather than seeing the total distance as 45 miles. BMW have confirmed this is correct functionality.
So they reckon the way to do it is use BMW routes creating waypoints (but only 1 start and finish) and save and send it to the vehicle using the web browser. Then use iDrive as explained to upload.
Is it in messages in idrive ? That's how I imported a destination from the connect app so guess its the same....actually no just tried it and there's no message either. Under availability and requirement it says you need pro navigation so unless you have that looks like a round trip is a no go, which is pants for a PHEV though earlier posts refer to needing pro nav, not that I read the forum til after I'd ordered the car, shouldn't have to read a forum to find out about a pretty big flaw though guess it depends on your route. I'm about 20 miles to work each way on urban road start/motorway middle/urban&rural roads to office. There's usually a small amount of electric left (in recent cold weather). I've then put it in save mode to warm up cabin/seat/steering wheel for a few miles on the way home. Results so far 80-137 mpg to work, 40-70 mpg on return. Would be interesting to see how a pronav round trip compared, though if it makes assumptions about the return leg traffic conditions and they change then guess it could be worse in some scenarios
Edited by Tonycv51 on Wednesday 7th December 20:54
Tonycv51 said:
Is it in messages in idrive ? That's how I imported a destination from the connect app so guess its the same....actually no just tried it and there's no message either. Under availability and requirement it says you need pro navigation so unless you have that looks like a round trip is a no go, which is pants for a PHEV though earlier posts refer to needing pro nav, not that I read the forum til after I'd ordered the car, shouldn't have to read a forum to find out about a pretty big flaw though guess it depends on your route. I'm about 20 miles to work each way on urban road start/motorway middle/urban&rural roads to office. There's usually a small amount of electric left (in recent cold weather). I've then put it in save mode to warm up cabin/seat/steering wheel for a few miles on the way home. Results so far 80-137 mpg to work, 40-70 mpg on return. Would be interesting to see how a pronav round trip compared, though if it makes assumptions about the return leg traffic conditions and they change then guess it could be worse in some scenarios
I found the function this morning by accident when I pressed the Nav button on the idrive twice rather than once. Once you are in Navigation, press the Nav button (the physical button) again. This brings up a new set of options on the left hand side. On mine it shows "Recent Destinations, Points of Interest, Address Book, Map, Saved Trips, Route Details, GPS Co-Ordinates". Choose "Saved Trips". This then brings up 4 options: "Import Trips, BMW Routes, My Trips, Last Trip". Choose "Import Trips". This then lets you log-in to the BMW Connect system and you will find the routes that you had saved. You can then choose to save them into your My Trips. Once you have done this, you can just go into My Trips and the route that you had planned on the BMW Routes system is available and you can start navigation on it.Edited by Tonycv51 on Wednesday 7th December 20:54
I do have Professional Nav though, so may not be available on yours.
So... update on BIK stuff from Autumn Statement
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/income-...
ULEVs seem fine...
This seems to state that you will be taxed on either the BIK value of the car (as before) OR the value of the salary sacrifice - **whichever is the largest** , plus the addition of National Insurance Contributions I think. So, again I am not certain, but lets say a car at 115 CO2s Diesel, so that would be 23% BIK tax rate of the value of the car, so if a £25000 car, then £5,750. So tax paid would be your income tax rate, say 40%, of £5,750 under the old scheme. Under the new one, lets say the monthly rental cost was £350pm (ie you sacrificed £350 salary each month) then HMRC would see what tax you would have paid if you had taken the cash (so 350 x 12 = 4,200 and then 40% of that). And you pay whichever is the most > which in this example would have been the old BIK tax amount.
If the rental was £500pm, then you would have sacrificed £6000 salary and this is more than the BIK value (5,750) so HMRC would tax you on the £6000 figure.
With elec/hybrids where the tax rate under the BIK calculation is a lot less normally, and this appears to have been protected by the Gov
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/income-...
ULEVs seem fine...
This seems to state that you will be taxed on either the BIK value of the car (as before) OR the value of the salary sacrifice - **whichever is the largest** , plus the addition of National Insurance Contributions I think. So, again I am not certain, but lets say a car at 115 CO2s Diesel, so that would be 23% BIK tax rate of the value of the car, so if a £25000 car, then £5,750. So tax paid would be your income tax rate, say 40%, of £5,750 under the old scheme. Under the new one, lets say the monthly rental cost was £350pm (ie you sacrificed £350 salary each month) then HMRC would see what tax you would have paid if you had taken the cash (so 350 x 12 = 4,200 and then 40% of that). And you pay whichever is the most > which in this example would have been the old BIK tax amount.
If the rental was £500pm, then you would have sacrificed £6000 salary and this is more than the BIK value (5,750) so HMRC would tax you on the £6000 figure.
With elec/hybrids where the tax rate under the BIK calculation is a lot less normally, and this appears to have been protected by the Gov
So here's my update -
Now run in the 330e msport 19s and led lights blah blah blah
18k miles on the clocks with a very honest average of 34mpg - I rarely charge it because I struggle to find charge points
Cost about £1 of elec to fully charge
Save mode on motorway you will get about 20mpg while doing this. Poor
I get about 300 miles to a tank and this has worked out to cost 16p per mile in fuel - I get 13p per mile so costing me £30 every 1000 miles to drive on company so far costing me over £500 out of pocket. Saving on BIK.... pah
It has been used in all driving conditions including snow - autobahn in Germany driven hard - driven like miss daisy and mostly driven normally - mostly motorways drives quite well
The 38psi pressure in tyres keeps the car feeling like a skate board. But well connected to the road
Issues found
Back doors rattle - BMW known problem and quick fix - door seal issue some special tape I am told will fix
Led light sitting too low giving poor driving lights at night - - high beam pretty poor compared to other led lights - will see after they fix that
All four tyres now will 5mm on rears and 6mm to which is very good for mileage but - all 4 need to be replaced as all have developed blister bulges on the outside of each tyre wall - suspect the extra weight and hard suspension set up with high tyre pressure - the weakest point is the side wall- car is now being recovered to BMW as unsafe to drive - no tyres available as yet. There is no damage in any way to the wheels. Check your tyres regualry
Also had glitched 2 times where would not go into gear or drive - controle alt delete- stop car lock it for 5 mins and try again cured it
And also had to top the radiator up twice now
Just been told buy a guy at the dealer this is a 10 miles commute car not for long distance driving.
The car itself looks great - drives real fun - sound system upgraded sounds so sharp . Seats could do with a proper lumbar support.
I am wondering how the 149 mpg can be honestly justified - watchdog this week I think is looking at this topic - 2ltr turbo engine carrying extra kgs of batteries squeazing so much power cannot be efficient and seems not to be
Some one needs to clean this hybrid market up being very clear - on true performance values -
Not a bad car just clearly and completely the wrong one for any 40k miles year driver as the 3 series was always intended for
Now run in the 330e msport 19s and led lights blah blah blah
18k miles on the clocks with a very honest average of 34mpg - I rarely charge it because I struggle to find charge points
Cost about £1 of elec to fully charge
Save mode on motorway you will get about 20mpg while doing this. Poor
I get about 300 miles to a tank and this has worked out to cost 16p per mile in fuel - I get 13p per mile so costing me £30 every 1000 miles to drive on company so far costing me over £500 out of pocket. Saving on BIK.... pah
It has been used in all driving conditions including snow - autobahn in Germany driven hard - driven like miss daisy and mostly driven normally - mostly motorways drives quite well
The 38psi pressure in tyres keeps the car feeling like a skate board. But well connected to the road
Issues found
Back doors rattle - BMW known problem and quick fix - door seal issue some special tape I am told will fix
Led light sitting too low giving poor driving lights at night - - high beam pretty poor compared to other led lights - will see after they fix that
All four tyres now will 5mm on rears and 6mm to which is very good for mileage but - all 4 need to be replaced as all have developed blister bulges on the outside of each tyre wall - suspect the extra weight and hard suspension set up with high tyre pressure - the weakest point is the side wall- car is now being recovered to BMW as unsafe to drive - no tyres available as yet. There is no damage in any way to the wheels. Check your tyres regualry
Also had glitched 2 times where would not go into gear or drive - controle alt delete- stop car lock it for 5 mins and try again cured it
And also had to top the radiator up twice now
Just been told buy a guy at the dealer this is a 10 miles commute car not for long distance driving.
The car itself looks great - drives real fun - sound system upgraded sounds so sharp . Seats could do with a proper lumbar support.
I am wondering how the 149 mpg can be honestly justified - watchdog this week I think is looking at this topic - 2ltr turbo engine carrying extra kgs of batteries squeazing so much power cannot be efficient and seems not to be
Some one needs to clean this hybrid market up being very clear - on true performance values -
Not a bad car just clearly and completely the wrong one for any 40k miles year driver as the 3 series was always intended for
I have had a further update from BMW re Sat Nav. Really not happy. In my opinion they are selling a car falsely advertised and not fit for purpose.
"Apologies for the delay in getting back to you about the query that you had. I have contacted the Technical Team and received an answer to the query about you not having ‘import’ option within your BMW Online.
The Technical Team have said that feature of importing routes is not supported within the Business Navigation system unfortunately. I am really sorry that Product Marketing team stated that import feature would be available with either of the Sat Nav systems.
I have raised this issue with my manager who will ensure this is fed back to the relevant members of staff to give the required training material to avoid incorrect information in the future.
If you require any more information or help with any other features, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Kind regards,
BMW"
So I may as well leave the SatNav switched off, and now have a vehicle that wont do what they said it would do....
"Apologies for the delay in getting back to you about the query that you had. I have contacted the Technical Team and received an answer to the query about you not having ‘import’ option within your BMW Online.
The Technical Team have said that feature of importing routes is not supported within the Business Navigation system unfortunately. I am really sorry that Product Marketing team stated that import feature would be available with either of the Sat Nav systems.
I have raised this issue with my manager who will ensure this is fed back to the relevant members of staff to give the required training material to avoid incorrect information in the future.
If you require any more information or help with any other features, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Kind regards,
BMW"
So I may as well leave the SatNav switched off, and now have a vehicle that wont do what they said it would do....
330edriver said:
18k miles on the clocks with a very honest average of 34mpg - I rarely charge it because I struggle to find charge points
Thanks for the update, I think the reason for the low MPG is pretty well summarised above (And apologise in advance I dont mean to sound condescending) Withot charging you are driving a 320i with 150KG+ weight around and relying on regeneration alone.Can you not charge at home/work? The BIK is appealing but for low usage where the EV range can be utilised otherwise a 316/318/320d I think would represent better long term saving in fuel for the mileage you are doing
If I charge it at home - by the time I have done 90 miles of motorway driving all the charge is gone - yes the mpg is improved but not by much by the end of a long journey - £2 per charge for the 34 miles of pure electric - £4ish for 30mpg petrol it's not that cheap or really economical as claimed - feels pointless charging it - that 34mpg has been with some charging but not much
I travel to different locations all over most with no or broken charge points or with the need to apply for yet another charging company card
I tried to find all this info at BMW yet not one dealership could give any single details - the car was marketed completely wrong this is not an exec car in any way nor did the company car comapany advise knowing what Mileage I would be doing -
If was sold as a daily commute with the real numbers available - it wouldn't be sitting on my drive - lol probably a Passat or Mondeo -= boring lol I just think they can do much better and could and should have - if the range of this car was 5-600 miles per fuel up and hay at 40-45mpg all good - company car lists don't work like that or I would have a 330i would have been more economical
I travel to different locations all over most with no or broken charge points or with the need to apply for yet another charging company card
I tried to find all this info at BMW yet not one dealership could give any single details - the car was marketed completely wrong this is not an exec car in any way nor did the company car comapany advise knowing what Mileage I would be doing -
If was sold as a daily commute with the real numbers available - it wouldn't be sitting on my drive - lol probably a Passat or Mondeo -= boring lol I just think they can do much better and could and should have - if the range of this car was 5-600 miles per fuel up and hay at 40-45mpg all good - company car lists don't work like that or I would have a 330i would have been more economical
Although the 330e will not return quite as good a mpg as a 320i over long distances, it shouldn't be far off, it's only equivalent of carrying 2 extra adults in the car.
The problem comes because there is no way of switching off the engine battery recharge function. As soon as you start recharging the battery using the engine mpg drops to 20mpg at best. It is that that kills the car.
It would be much better to have a switch that puts the car in to petrol only. (on the basis that at least 10% battery is retained for powering the cars functions)
The problem comes because there is no way of switching off the engine battery recharge function. As soon as you start recharging the battery using the engine mpg drops to 20mpg at best. It is that that kills the car.
It would be much better to have a switch that puts the car in to petrol only. (on the basis that at least 10% battery is retained for powering the cars functions)
I don't have mine yet but when I test drove it I made sure it was a "worse case" scenario.
5 in car and 50:50 split from motorway too A and B roads. I averaged 45mpg so impressed with that.
Speeds on motorway were 75mph and rest of roads up to speed limit,I don't drive above speed limits as been close far too many times and need my license.
From what I've read on here if you drive it above 80mph on motorway then you'll get hit hard like anycar in my opinion.
Looking forward too mine
5 in car and 50:50 split from motorway too A and B roads. I averaged 45mpg so impressed with that.
Speeds on motorway were 75mph and rest of roads up to speed limit,I don't drive above speed limits as been close far too many times and need my license.
From what I've read on here if you drive it above 80mph on motorway then you'll get hit hard like anycar in my opinion.
Looking forward too mine
I agree regarding the MPG should be the same as 320, - the charging, but see if you can find the honest MPG produced by BMW, you can't , smoke and mirrors - if real world figures were quoted you can make a proper informed choice about how and if the car is suitable - it's been marketed as a reps car with 130+ mpg it's one or the other but not both
They should quote engine only economy in MPG
They should also quote pence per mile for electric - £1 to charge mine based on average £per kw and 20 mile range
And should quote the full range per tank of fuel combined with electric and expected mpg - for that full range
Any one can get 150 mpg if you charge it everyday and only use it for 10 miles a day
Smoke and mirrors and tricky marketing as with most things these days - but poor for when putting £40k into something.
They should quote engine only economy in MPG
They should also quote pence per mile for electric - £1 to charge mine based on average £per kw and 20 mile range
And should quote the full range per tank of fuel combined with electric and expected mpg - for that full range
Any one can get 150 mpg if you charge it everyday and only use it for 10 miles a day
Smoke and mirrors and tricky marketing as with most things these days - but poor for when putting £40k into something.
330edriver, sorry to hear that the 330e is not working out for you. Actually your experience will help a lot of others understand the real world position for many people. Your driving pattern is not suitable for this car. It's really no different from a very short multiple journey person that thinks a Diesel is the best option for them. A couple of people in my office drive 1-2 miles to work every day in their Diesel's. They have regular DPF light issues and relatively poor MPG, certainly no better than a petrol and they pay extra for their fuel.
So my circumstance will be:-
Massive BIK saving against my Diesel Jag XF I currently have - win
Charge at home then 18 mile commute through traffic and some dual carriageway - win
Charge at work then 18 mile commute home and usually no traffic and more downhill! - win
Home charging and local journeys around home 9/10 times less than 20 miles - win
Occasional long journeys, some 300 miles each way, work holidays etc, say once a month at most - lose.
I am going to buy a roof box or hire a cube on wheels for the annual holiday if I have to! - so that will cost me a few hundred quid.
So all in all I will win and have several £k in my hands after 3 years that would have been spent doing the same thing,
Like you, I never believed the fantastic quoted MPG's, who does? My Jag I think was quoted to do 58MPG, I get about 42 real world, I always knock off at least 20% of the manufacturer quoted figure. PHEV's are more like 50-60% less it seems, and then only if you can charge regularly. For me the BIK saving alone is reason to have the 330e as my next company car.
So my circumstance will be:-
Massive BIK saving against my Diesel Jag XF I currently have - win
Charge at home then 18 mile commute through traffic and some dual carriageway - win
Charge at work then 18 mile commute home and usually no traffic and more downhill! - win
Home charging and local journeys around home 9/10 times less than 20 miles - win
Occasional long journeys, some 300 miles each way, work holidays etc, say once a month at most - lose.
I am going to buy a roof box or hire a cube on wheels for the annual holiday if I have to! - so that will cost me a few hundred quid.
So all in all I will win and have several £k in my hands after 3 years that would have been spent doing the same thing,
Like you, I never believed the fantastic quoted MPG's, who does? My Jag I think was quoted to do 58MPG, I get about 42 real world, I always knock off at least 20% of the manufacturer quoted figure. PHEV's are more like 50-60% less it seems, and then only if you can charge regularly. For me the BIK saving alone is reason to have the 330e as my next company car.
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