BMW 330e ordered...

[humpy999]

My software was updated FOC with a warranty repair, bizarre that they want to charge you for it! Especially when it's called a vehicle enhancement and adds things like a warning for low coolant in the low temperature (electric motor) cooling circuit which I would have thought should have been there from the start?

[bmwphever]

Aj93 said:

South tdf said:

As others have mentioned low 40's as the norm without charging. If I charge mine overnight my daily average of 45 miles returns low 50's

My 320 does about 45-8mpg knocking around so anything above 40 in the 330e I would be more than satisfied with! Thank you!

With what you've said about your usage you should average better than 100mpg. My usage is mainly commute, 25 miles round trip with charging both ends, with the very occasional longer journey (40-100 miles), and of course with the odd blast in Sport (which gives about 35mpg) and I'm averaging something like 150mpg overall, although I haven't checked the exact number recently.

To put it into context it's costing me about 10p per mile, whereas my E91 320d was costing about 15p per mile; my commute is costing about 4.5p per mile because I get free charging at one end.

[Welshbeef]

bmwphever said:

With what you've said about your usage you should average better than 100mpg. My usage is mainly commute, 25 miles round trip with charging both ends, with the very occasional longer journey (40-100 miles), and of course with the odd blast in Sport (which gives about 35mpg) and I'm averaging something like 150mpg overall, although I haven't checked the exact number recently.

To put it into context it's costing me about 10p per mile, whereas my E91 320d was costing about 15p per mile; my commute is costing about 4.5p per mile because I get free charging at one end.

You got dire mpg or bought pricy fuel for that 320d.
My 535d F10 pre LCi on normal diesel costs 12-13pence per mileso how yours can be more for a far inferior power unit is odd. Also the effective mpg for the 330e isn't as great as you'd expect 10pence per mile for something which is >2x more efficient apparently than my car yet in absolute fuel costs per mile mine is a mere 30% more not >200%. What am I missing?

[bmwphever]

Welshbeef said:

bmwphever said:

To put it into context it's costing me about 10p per mile, whereas my E91 320d was costing about 15p per mile; my commute is costing about 4.5p per mile because I get free charging at one end.

You got dire mpg or bought pricy fuel for that 320d.
My 535d F10 pre LCi on normal diesel costs 12-13pence per mileso how yours can be more for a far inferior power unit is odd. Also the effective mpg for the 330e isn't as great as you'd expect 10pence per mile for something which is >2x more efficient apparently than my car yet in absolute fuel costs per mile mine is a mere 30% more not >200%. What am I missing?

Well that 15ppm includes road tax and insurance, and I only do about 8K miles a year (yes I know, why have a diesel - let's just say I've seen the last light). So fuel was about 10ppm doing about 50-55 mpg - latterly lots of short journeys with a slightly heavy right foot.

The 10ppm on the 330e again includes insurance (zero road tax), and includes the cost of fuel + electricity that I pay for (about 40% of it is free). So without insurance it would be about 5ppm. (I think; don't have my spreadsheet to hand.)

[Wonks]

What mode do you guys find more economical to use when driving around 80-100 miles. I'm using Max eDrive or Auto in either comfort of Eco pro at the moment, would I see any improvement using Save mode if starting with full charge and switching back to Max eDrive for the last 15-20 miles ?

Also does the speed of charge improve the electric range eg. The slower the charge the greater range, mines set to maximum using a type 2 16a charger and charges in just over 2 hours but only seeing an electric range of around 15 miles with no A/C.

[Aj93]

Had my test drive today. Loved the car, so smooth and rsponsive. Batteries had no charge when started, but still did 30mpg with some sprited getaways. Quite good I thought!! So went and brought it. The 23rd can't come quick enough now.

Saphire Black
18" Alloy wheels
Coral Red Leather
Professional Nav
Heated Seats and everything else that the 330e comes with

Preparing myself for the longest 2 weeks of work

[bmwphever]

Wonks said:

What mode do you guys find more economical to use when driving around 80-100 miles. I'm using Max eDrive or Auto in either comfort of Eco pro at the moment, would I see any improvement using Save mode if starting with full charge and switching back to Max eDrive for the last 15-20 miles ?

Also does the speed of charge improve the electric range eg. The slower the charge the greater range, mines set to maximum using a type 2 16a charger and charges in just over 2 hours but only seeing an electric range of around 15 miles with no A/C.

I've not done enough of those trips to have worked it out. Others have suggested using save on the way out so you're not charging with the ICE, which makes sense, but then others have said that they've found preconditioning makes a big difference to range (which I've not seen but I can normally precondition or I'm travelling only a couple of miles, so can't really tell). I suspect the save on the way out option would work out best. YMMV - literally!

I think a more recently charged battery will give best range, but presumably just because it's effectively preconditioned already. Rate of charge I believe wouldn't make a difference (and doesn't in my experience). I'm getting about 15-19 miles range depending on the route and style of driving of course - I live about 300 feet higher up than my place of work and the difference is noticeable on the two legs.

[Wonks]

bmwphever said:

Wonks said:

What mode do you guys find more economical to use when driving around 80-100 miles. I'm using Max eDrive or Auto in either comfort of Eco pro at the moment, would I see any improvement using Save mode if starting with full charge and switching back to Max eDrive for the last 15-20 miles ?

Also does the speed of charge improve the electric range eg. The slower the charge the greater range, mines set to maximum using a type 2 16a charger and charges in just over 2 hours but only seeing an electric range of around 15 miles with no A/C.

I've not done enough of those trips to have worked it out. Others have suggested using save on the way out so you're not charging with the ICE, which makes sense, but then others have said that they've found preconditioning makes a big difference to range (which I've not seen but I can normally precondition or I'm travelling only a couple of miles, so can't really tell). I suspect the save on the way out option would work out best. YMMV - literally!

I think a more recently charged battery will give best range, but presumably just because it's effectively preconditioned already. Rate of charge I believe wouldn't make a difference (and doesn't in my experience). I'm getting about 15-19 miles range depending on the route and style of driving of course - I live about 300 feet higher up than my place of work and the difference is noticeable on the two legs.

I've not used preconditioning yet, only charged over the weekend and overnight, this may make a difference, I'll give it a go.
Trying not to turn up the HK Sound System too much, this must eat into the batteries as well.

[MaxOverdrive]

Welshbeef said:

You got dire mpg or bought pricy fuel for that 320d.
My 535d F10 pre LCi on normal diesel costs 12-13pence per mileso how yours can be more for a far inferior power unit is odd. Also the effective mpg for the 330e isn't as great as you'd expect 10pence per mile for something which is >2x more efficient apparently than my car yet in absolute fuel costs per mile mine is a mere 30% more not >200%. What am I missing?

A number of things are missing here

Electric motor
At least one turbo

Things you won't be missing

Higher fuel costs
Higher BIK figures

For those last two you can thank our Government for misleading us all into getting diesels only to be told they're actually worse for our health - therefore likely to be penalised going forward.

So regardless of how efficient a diesel can be I'll be ditching mine and getting this twin turbo petrol electric hybrid. It'll give zero emissions driving for up to 16 miles per full charge and then drop back to unleaded petrol when that runs out. Cost-wise it's also a no brainer - massively cheaper than a diesel in company car tax and massively cheaper in fuel tax - as this is currently based on the same BIK percentage as the car - ironically nothing to do with its fuel efficiency;)

[Robv1]

Aj93 said:

Had my test drive today. Loved the car, so smooth and rsponsive. Batteries had no charge when started, but still did 30mpg with some sprited getaways. Quite good I thought!! So went and brought it. The 23rd can't come quick enough now.

You mean you bought the demo car?

[Aj93]

Robv1 said:

Aj93 said:

Had my test drive today. Loved the car, so smooth and rsponsive. Batteries had no charge when started, but still did 30mpg with some sprited getaways. Quite good I thought!! So went and brought it. The 23rd can't come quick enough now.

You mean you bought the demo car?

Yup. It has all the options I wanted. Only one it hasn't is the folding mirrors but can live without that!!

[Robv1]

Aj93 said:

Yup. It has all the options I wanted. Only one it hasn't is the folding mirrors but can live without that!!

Cool. Well, don't stress about a two week wait, some of us here have been waiting for months now..

[Aj93]

Robv1 said:

ool. Well, don't stress about a two week wait, some of us here have been waiting for months now..

Am aware of the huge waiting times
Heard BMW have even cancelled some orders. Why would they do that?

[Orion917]

Aj93 said:

Robv1 said:

ool. Well, don't stress about a two week wait, some of us here have been waiting for months now..

Am aware of the huge waiting times
Heard BMW have even cancelled some orders. Why would they do that?

You need to start from page 1 of this thread to find that out

[DragonflyTrumpeter]

Wonks said:

I've not used preconditioning yet, only charged over the weekend and overnight, this may make a difference, I'll give it a go.
Trying not to turn up the HK Sound System too much, this must eat into the batteries as well.

Get a stunning £40k motor and some guys put on a jacket to save using the cabin heating and now we don't want to turn up the amazing 600w, 16 speaker HK because these wee ideas use battery

[Aj93]

Have any 330e owners installed a dash cam yet? Looking into getting a Blackvue 2Ch and having it hard wired to the ignition teamed up with the power magic pro box.
Just need to check with the dealer, but I don't think a hardwired dashcam should affect my warranty??? :S

[Mcpaynter]

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

Get a stunning £40k motor and some guys put on a jacket to save using the cabin heating and now we don't want to turn up the amazing 600w, 16 speaker HK because these wee ideas use battery

+1.. 'gets a nice car and adds loads of nice features....doesn't use them in case battery reduces and the Engine switches on'


Oh the horror! Must be the only 330 model that's driven like an OAPs picanto on a Sunday morning.. it's like having batman become a community support officer

[Rob-kqpsf]

Aj93 said:

Have any 330e owners installed a dash cam yet? Looking into getting a Blackvue 2Ch and having it hard wired to the ignition teamed up with the power magic pro box.
Just need to check with the dealer, but I don't think a hardwired dashcam should affect my warranty??? :S

I have a forward and rear facing Nextbase 512G dash cam in mine. I didn't bother hard wiring either as there's a spare 12V socket in the passenger footwell and another in the boot. The wire is easily hid under the roof lining and down the side of the door. The 12V supply remains on for approx. 10 mins after locking the doors

[Jo330ems]

Mcpaynter said:

+1.. 'gets a nice car and adds loads of nice features....doesn't use them in case battery reduces and the Engine switches on'


Oh the horror! Must be the only 330 model that's driven like an OAPs picanto on a Sunday morning.. it's like having batman become a community support officer

Obviously within the boundaries of common sense, but this is a performance BMW that is seriously quick and should be driven and used to the max. Mine even has seat warmers in the back and I wont be telling my passengers not to use them so I get an extra mile on the battery range! .

How are people getting on with the iDrive? specifically the Online Entertainment. . I have mixed views on how it works but I have managed to sign up to the free Deezer ( u have alt option for Napster ) service and synced a few albums. I already have a Spotify account and that also works but does take time to load up and play something.

[Wonks]

Mcpaynter said:

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

Get a stunning £40k motor and some guys put on a jacket to save using the cabin heating and now we don't want to turn up the amazing 600w, 16 speaker HK because these wee ideas use battery

+1.. 'gets a nice car and adds loads of nice features....doesn't use them in case battery reduces and the Engine switches on'


Oh the horror! Must be the only 330 model that's driven like an OAPs picanto on a Sunday morning.. it's like having batman become a community support officer

Sorry, is there anything wrong with driving a 330 sensibly or is it compulsory drive like a tw@t, I quite enjoy driving it at a sensible speed and with the sound system at a low volume, we're not all boy racers having a mid life crisis.