Model S 90D - high mileage, range, depreciation & other bits
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thanks, yeah pretty much what I had worked out.
Its getting very close but not quite there yet, I'm watching EV car battery development closely and as soon as there is something with a real world 220-230+mile range in any conditions/speed and I'm in.
Looking at Tesla values and the 60k ish bracket for used cars feels right and I think a combination of all the above would be a tipping point for a lot of people. Spending £100k+ on one to do 35k miles commuting a year as a DD doesn't stack up for me.
Its getting very close but not quite there yet, I'm watching EV car battery development closely and as soon as there is something with a real world 220-230+mile range in any conditions/speed and I'm in.
Looking at Tesla values and the 60k ish bracket for used cars feels right and I think a combination of all the above would be a tipping point for a lot of people. Spending £100k+ on one to do 35k miles commuting a year as a DD doesn't stack up for me.
Tesla have now started battery pack production in their Gigafactory, cost of battery packs will now start coming down quickly (Think flat panel TV cost now compared to 5-10 years ago), and energy density go up. No details yet on just how much energy these new cells can hold but the Tesla powerwall has double in capacity without changing price.
http://insideevs.com/tesla-gigafactory-begins-2170...
http://insideevs.com/tesla-gigafactory-begins-2170...
aporschefan said:
I'm considering buying a Tesla Model S 90D and need clarity in a few areas. It will be my car and not a company car.
My weekly work journeys are as follows:
Journey 1: London to Birmingham - Approx 240 mile return journey.
Journey 2: London to Evesham - Approx 250 mile return journey.
Journey 3: London to Newbury - Approx 140 mile return journey.
Journey 4: London to Leicester - Approx 200 mile return journey.
Total = 830 miles/wk.
For clarity, I do return home after each day so am able to charge the battery overnight.
The 90D claims to have a 330 mile range. I would opt for the +6% range upgrade = 350 mile (claimed) range in total. The salesman mentioned the real world figure for is closer to 270 miles. Adding 6% to that means I should expect 286 miles per full charge. (That said, thinking about it now, I'm not sure if he meant 270 miles including the upgrade. Will ask him for clarification.) Most of my miles are on the motorways at approx 70(ish)mph. Is it safe to assume a 286 mile range assuming normal motorway driving for most of the miles? Or would it be less?
Thanks in advance for any replies...
Since you are able to install destination chargers, then your longest journey is 120 miles, well within range of a 90D (in fact you would be fine with a base 60)My weekly work journeys are as follows:
Journey 1: London to Birmingham - Approx 240 mile return journey.
Journey 2: London to Evesham - Approx 250 mile return journey.
Journey 3: London to Newbury - Approx 140 mile return journey.
Journey 4: London to Leicester - Approx 200 mile return journey.
Total = 830 miles/wk.
For clarity, I do return home after each day so am able to charge the battery overnight.
The 90D claims to have a 330 mile range. I would opt for the +6% range upgrade = 350 mile (claimed) range in total. The salesman mentioned the real world figure for is closer to 270 miles. Adding 6% to that means I should expect 286 miles per full charge. (That said, thinking about it now, I'm not sure if he meant 270 miles including the upgrade. Will ask him for clarification.) Most of my miles are on the motorways at approx 70(ish)mph. Is it safe to assume a 286 mile range assuming normal motorway driving for most of the miles? Or would it be less?
Thanks in advance for any replies...
Also maybe look at installing a faster sharger at home
I got my S85 in January 2015. As of today I am on 52,000 miles. I'm only averaging 26,000 a year in it so can't say how it would be averaging 40,000 a year.
In March 2014 I drove to Geneva for the motorshow in my Range Rover and then in 2015 took the Tesla for it's first long journey. Both trips were done in one day from Berkshire to Geneva, show visit the next day then drive home in a day on day 3.
The Tesla added 1.5 hours to the journey on the way down and almost 1 hour on the way back. I only used superchargers to top up so had no fuelling costs, the Range Rover used about £350 of fuel.
To fully charge the S85 at home from near empty takes about 11.5 hours (slight guestimate as I've not gone from 0 to full at home, only on a supercharger). On single phase electric, my home charger tops up the battery at 20 miles per hour.
In real world driving I can rely on around 180-200 miles in mild weather and 160-180 in cold weather. I might be able to push it a bit more but to be on safe side I work on those mileages. Battery degradation isn't as bad as originally feared. The car estimates around 233 miles of range now on 100% charge. When it was brand new it used to show 247 miles. The ongoing evidence suggests that the degradation slows down over time as well.
Everyone seems to recommend only charging to 90%. I have tended to ignore that as I have needed to have a full tank to get everywhere. I think the real issue is charging to 100% and then leaving the car unused. I haven't seen any battery issues driving the car quite soon after it reaching 100%.
For the journeys listed at the start of this thread I see the 90D as a pretty good option. There are enough Superchargers en-route to cover all the journeys listed so that you can get home with some charge left.
I have struggled only a couple of times, Sussex coast and West Wales. However, there are now Superchargers near Swansea on M4 so only Sussex the problem at moment. In the boot I carry the charger cable and adaptors so that I can plug in to a normal 3 pin socket, a European socket and those plugs you find at caravan sites and industrial units. I've only ever had to try the 3 pin plug a couple of times and that was when staying over somewhere remote. Charging overnight on a 3 pin plug gives about 60 miles of extra range which has been enough to get to a normal EV charger.
Now a few more Superchargers have opened in Spain I will be taking a road trip down to the south in the summer with the Tesla and planning on doing the Geneva run again in March which should be easier now as the Supercharger network has grown quite a bit more in France now.
In March 2014 I drove to Geneva for the motorshow in my Range Rover and then in 2015 took the Tesla for it's first long journey. Both trips were done in one day from Berkshire to Geneva, show visit the next day then drive home in a day on day 3.
The Tesla added 1.5 hours to the journey on the way down and almost 1 hour on the way back. I only used superchargers to top up so had no fuelling costs, the Range Rover used about £350 of fuel.
To fully charge the S85 at home from near empty takes about 11.5 hours (slight guestimate as I've not gone from 0 to full at home, only on a supercharger). On single phase electric, my home charger tops up the battery at 20 miles per hour.
In real world driving I can rely on around 180-200 miles in mild weather and 160-180 in cold weather. I might be able to push it a bit more but to be on safe side I work on those mileages. Battery degradation isn't as bad as originally feared. The car estimates around 233 miles of range now on 100% charge. When it was brand new it used to show 247 miles. The ongoing evidence suggests that the degradation slows down over time as well.
Everyone seems to recommend only charging to 90%. I have tended to ignore that as I have needed to have a full tank to get everywhere. I think the real issue is charging to 100% and then leaving the car unused. I haven't seen any battery issues driving the car quite soon after it reaching 100%.
For the journeys listed at the start of this thread I see the 90D as a pretty good option. There are enough Superchargers en-route to cover all the journeys listed so that you can get home with some charge left.
I have struggled only a couple of times, Sussex coast and West Wales. However, there are now Superchargers near Swansea on M4 so only Sussex the problem at moment. In the boot I carry the charger cable and adaptors so that I can plug in to a normal 3 pin socket, a European socket and those plugs you find at caravan sites and industrial units. I've only ever had to try the 3 pin plug a couple of times and that was when staying over somewhere remote. Charging overnight on a 3 pin plug gives about 60 miles of extra range which has been enough to get to a normal EV charger.
Now a few more Superchargers have opened in Spain I will be taking a road trip down to the south in the summer with the Tesla and planning on doing the Geneva run again in March which should be easier now as the Supercharger network has grown quite a bit more in France now.
ukshooter said:
Everyone seems to recommend only charging to 90%. I have tended to ignore that as I have needed to have a full tank to get everywhere. I think the real issue is charging to 100% and then leaving the car unused. I haven't seen any battery issues driving the car quite soon after it reaching 100%.
That's a general recommendation for I think all EV's, about 80-90% (depending on make) if you're not intending to jump in and use that last 10-20% the next day. I sold my 85 and have had the 90D for a couple of weeks.
On a full charge the range is estimated at 280 miles (typical, not the NEDC figure)
I have been running it in the cold up and down to London from Shropshire. I think you can count on 200 miles if you run up to 20% over speed limits as MAX. 240 miles probably achievable if you stay within all speed limits.
I'm doing the Geneva run again next month for the motor show so will be interesting to see how it fares compared to when I did it with the 85 with less chargers.
On a full charge the range is estimated at 280 miles (typical, not the NEDC figure)
I have been running it in the cold up and down to London from Shropshire. I think you can count on 200 miles if you run up to 20% over speed limits as MAX. 240 miles probably achievable if you stay within all speed limits.
I'm doing the Geneva run again next month for the motor show so will be interesting to see how it fares compared to when I did it with the 85 with less chargers.
I sold my 85 and have had the 90D for a couple of weeks.
On a full charge the range is estimated at 280 miles (typical, not the NEDC figure)
I have been running it in the cold up and down to London from Shropshire. I think you can count on 200 miles if you run up to 20% over speed limits as MAX. 240 miles probably achievable if you stay within all speed limits.
I'm doing the Geneva run again next month for the motor show so will be interesting to see how it fares compared to when I did it with the 85 with less chargers.
On a full charge the range is estimated at 280 miles (typical, not the NEDC figure)
I have been running it in the cold up and down to London from Shropshire. I think you can count on 200 miles if you run up to 20% over speed limits as MAX. 240 miles probably achievable if you stay within all speed limits.
I'm doing the Geneva run again next month for the motor show so will be interesting to see how it fares compared to when I did it with the 85 with less chargers.
I was waiting at some traffic lights in Amazingstoke (outside Lidl) this morning when a white 66-reg Tesla Model S P90D pulled up alongside me to my right. When the lights went green, this thing took off in a manner I've never seen a car do on a public road. It was staggering, the speed at which it pulled away from me. Only ever seen such acceleration from a high powered motorbike, but this was of course in total slience. Awesome. The car got to the next set of red lights much more quickly than me. :-) Then some plank in a black Passat CC tried to keep up, unsuccessfully.
Anyone on this thread?
Anyone on this thread?
ukshooter said:
Everyone seems to recommend only charging to 90%. I have tended to ignore that as I have needed to have a full tank to get everywhere. I think the real issue is charging to 100% and then leaving the car unused. I haven't seen any battery issues driving the car quite soon after it reaching 100%.
Keeping between 80%–20% is the best for the longevity of those Li-ion cells.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff