So who is getting a Model 3?

[modeller]

Mike_C said:

I've just had an i8 on test for the past 24 hours, and I've no idea how you can do any journeys on full electric? It will only do 14 miles of continuous driving as far as I could see, less in stop/start traffic (i.e. round town). Acceleration and top speed are massively limited, I just don't get it?

+1. Should have been a BEV, instead it's just a tax dodger.

[David87]

I preordered AM on the first. Super excited - can't stop thinking about it. Loser.

[FurtiveFreddy]

I'm posting this here as the other Tesla thread running at the moment seems to be obsessed with charging and range, which is all very important but not something I'm overly worried about given that a lot will happen between now and delivery.

So, here's a snippet of info which means we can speculate more about the design...

Tesla have just hired one of the designers of Porsche's Mission E concept. Might give some clues as to how the dashboard and instruments will look...


http://electrek.co/2016/04/11/tesla-interior-desig...

[garreth64]

FurtiveFreddy said:

I'm posting this here as the other Tesla thread running at the moment seems to be obsessed with charging and range, which is all very important but not something I'm overly worried about given that a lot will happen between now and delivery.

So, here's a snippet of info which means we can speculate more about the design...

Tesla have just hired one of the designers of Porsche's Mission E concept. Might give some clues as to how the dashboard and instruments will look...


http://electrek.co/2016/04/11/tesla-interior-desig...

Interesting article, how much time do we think they have until the interior is finalised? Perhaps that will be the stage 2 reveal.

The other thread does seem to have gone all EV fanboy vs EV hater. I like to think I am a petrol head, but I love technology as well, and I can see a place for both for a considerable time to come :-)

[Mike_C]

FurtiveFreddy said:

I'm posting this here as the other Tesla thread running at the moment seems to be obsessed with charging and range, which is all very important but not something I'm overly worried about given that a lot will happen between now and delivery.

So, here's a snippet of info which means we can speculate more about the design...

Tesla have just hired one of the designers of Porsche's Mission E concept. Might give some clues as to how the dashboard and instruments will look...


http://electrek.co/2016/04/11/tesla-interior-desig...

At the reveal it looked like the dashboard layout was already pretty well resolved, so I imagine the dude from Porsche is there to work through the HMI stuff for the new size/layout TFT screen, and will then be working on updating Model S and Model X interior designs and user interfaces...

[FurtiveFreddy]

Mike_C said:

At the reveal it looked like the dashboard layout was already pretty well resolved, so I imagine the dude from Porsche is there to work through the HMI stuff for the new size/layout TFT screen, and will then be working on updating Model S and Model X interior designs and user interfaces...

I have a feeling the dashboard will look quite different by the time the car is made.

Musk is Tweeting little hints all the time which suggests they're listening to all the feedback they've been getting since the launch and making changes in lots of areas.

I think they purposely left the launch cars with 'blank canvas' interiors rather than mocking up all the non-existent gadgetry they have planned.

[AnotherClarkey]

Another useful snippet that came out of Elon Musk's recent Twitter frenzy is that a tow hitch will be available.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Autopilot saves sleepy commuter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I5rraWJq6E

Does it blow the horn for you as well?

[hab1966]

Elon Musk has said that the supercharger wont be free for Model 3 owners unless they buy an upgrade package - Ive seen figures of 2k, dont know if thats £ or $.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/elon-musk-supercha...

[Welshbeef]

hab1966 said:

Elon Musk has said that the supercharger wont be free for Model 3 owners unless they buy an upgrade package - Ive seen figures of 2k, dont know if thats £ or $.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/elon-musk-supercha...

How much years average usage does £/$2k get and is it transferable to 2nd+ owners?

[JonV8V]

£2k at domestic electricity prices is circa 20k kwh (I pay 10p a unit, eco 7 over night can be 5p, expensive green tariff is 15p)
average consumption they recon on a 90D is 300wh/m - realistically its worse so say 350. It will be better on a 3
20kwh would therefore give you a minimum of 57k miles of driving
thats a long old way to break even, and even £1k and 30k miles is unlikely to be worthwhile for many.

Of course you get the convenience away from home too if you need a fast charge but the world is moving to destination chargers

And currently ecotricity and some city centres are currently free. I use SC for about 1/3 of my charging so even I with a Model S would think twice about paying more than £1k although I did pay £360 for a Chademo adapter which will take take a fair while to pay back.

Edited by JonV8V on Friday 3rd June 09:47

[Welshbeef]

JonV8V said:

£2k at domestic electricity prices is circa 20k kwh (I pay 10p a unit, eco 7 over night can be 5p, expensive green tariff is 15p)
average consumption they recon on a 90D is 300wh/m - realistically its worse so say 350. It will be better on a 3
20kwh would therefore give you a minimum of 57k miles of driving
thats a long old way to break even, and even £1k and 30k miles is unlikely to be worthwhile for many.

Of course you get the convenience away from home too if you need a fast charge but the world is moving to destination chargers

And currently ecotricity and some city centres are currently free. I use SC for about 1/3 of my charging so even I with a Model S would think twice about paying more than £1k although I did pay £360 for a Chademo adapter which will take take a fair while to pay back.

Edited by JonV8V on Friday 3rd June 09:47

If it's not for the life of the car it's pretty costly.

Maybe they will restrict the number of charge points on the SC to those who have to pay per charge giving a premium experience for those who paid upfront.

[simonrockman]

If you look at the source London website most of the chargers which are not in car parks are out of service.

Source London, in a tweet, promised to fix them "by the summer": Last summer.

Simon

[Welshbeef]

simonrockman said:

If you look at the source London website most of the chargers which are not in car parks are out of service.

Source London, in a tweet, promised to fix them "by the summer": Last summer.

Simon

And that's the crux of it. So you roll up in need of a charge and it's kaput with all other working ones full what do you do?

Who pays for the servicing of those points (I hope not ICE drivers)

[audi321]

My needs will be very simple, I travel 50 miles a day almost every day. I can't charge at work, and have no interest in wasting time at a 'free' petrol station (not that there's any near me) and no Super chargers near me either.

So it's overnight charging for me, probably every 4/5 days.

Forgive my ignorance, but is Economy 7 still around for new customers? Does it increase the 'day' rate significantly, therefore reducing the saving if say my wife works from home? How much does it save? I've just looked and my tariff is 10.94p/kwh and 15.1p/day standing charge.

Can someone (in plain english) tell me roughly how much in a year I am going to pay to charge my New 3 when it comes, and could they compare that with an Economy 7 tariff if they're still around?

As a comparison, I spend roughly £2,500 in Diesel a year at the moment.

[c1derman]

audi321 said:

Can someone (in plain english) tell me roughly how much in a year I am going to pay to charge my New 3 when it comes, and could they compare that with an Economy 7 tariff if they're still around?

As a comparison, I spend roughly £2,500 in Diesel a year at the moment.

I did my calculations like this, to work out the cost per mile. My £ Per Kwh rate was the "best" as retuned by entering my annual usage on uswitch a couple of months ago. I don't have a eco 7 meter.

Type	£ Per liter	£ / gallon	Miles	MPG	Cost	£ Per Mile
Petrol	£1.10	£5.00	10000	20	£2500.35	£0.250
Diesel	£1.05	£4.77	10000	45	£1060.75	£0.106

Then for Tesla

Type	£ Per Kwh	Miles	Miles/Kwh	Cost	£ Per Mile
Elec	0.1883	10000	3.0675	£613.86	£0.061

Tesla miles per Kwh calulation
Avg Eco Wh/m 326.0000 (Youtuber Avg for S over 1500m)
Avg Eco kWh/m 3.0675

[audi321]

Thanks, good info. So how many Kwh's does it take to 'fill up' a Tesla from empty then?

[JonV8V]

c1derman said:

audi321 said:

Can someone (in plain english) tell me roughly how much in a year I am going to pay to charge my New 3 when it comes, and could they compare that with an Economy 7 tariff if they're still around?

As a comparison, I spend roughly £2,500 in Diesel a year at the moment.

I did my calculations like this, to work out the cost per mile. My £ Per Kwh rate was the "best" as retuned by entering my annual usage on uswitch a couple of months ago. I don't have a eco 7 meter.

Type	£ Per liter	£ / gallon	Miles	MPG	Cost	£ Per Mile
Petrol	£1.10	£5.00	10000	20	£2500.35	£0.250
Diesel	£1.05	£4.77	10000	45	£1060.75	£0.106

Then for Tesla

Type	£ Per Kwh	Miles	Miles/Kwh	Cost	£ Per Mile
Elec	0.1883	10000	3.0675	£613.86	£0.061

Tesla miles per Kwh calulation
Avg Eco Wh/m 326.0000 (Youtuber Avg for S over 1500m)
Avg Eco kWh/m 3.0675

Your KwH rate seems high as I pay 10p an hour (GB Energy) but it can vary by location.

As for annual costs - there are quite a few variables. If you always charge at home then I work on about 1/3 the price of my old 640D to run - but I charge a lot away from home and its probably nearer 1/10 the cost.

E7 is available but I've not bothered - if 10p was a normal rate, the E7 rates seem to be 15p/5p which means you need to use more between midnight and 6am or whatever the hours are than durng the day.

One other factor to be aware of in case it matters - my company only pay HMRC approved mileage rates for company cars and people with a car allowance. As HMRC don't consider electricity is a fuel then that means I get nothing when on company business (its a company car). It doesn't bother me as it costs virtually nothing - I did 260 miles yesterday and arrived home with 30 miles less than I left with because of charging away, so about £1.20 of electricity, but it might impact others more depending on circumstances.

Edited by JonV8V on Friday 3rd June 14:28

[JonV8V]

audi321 said:

Thanks, good info. So how many Kwh's does it take to 'fill up' a Tesla from empty then?

Depends on the model - the number is meant to be the battery size, so a 90 in theory is a 90 kwh battery (its not for technical reasons that piss a lot of people off, and then there is a bit of loss) but if you wanted to fill the car from a more realistic 10% to 90% then thats around 80kwh and for me £8 - and I'd get about 200 miles in summer from that.

[c1derman]

JonV8V said:

Your KwH rate seems high as I pay 10p an hour (GB Energy) but it can vary by location.

Ah you were right. That was the rate before I switched from British Gas. My new rate from First Utility is 12.75p
This makes it roughly £415.65 to fund 10K miles or 4.2p per mile.

2015 stats that can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
These show that the average (When paying with DD) is 13.4p. For Eco 7 it was 18p/7p