Tesla Model 3 revealed

[walm]

TransverseTight said:

99% of all trips are under 50 miles

Again with these... facts..

I don't have anywhere to park, let alone charge an EV, so EVs are bound to fail. Get with the program.
I don't own a car and nor am I in the market for one but if it can't drive 500 miles on a tank which can be refilled in 60 seconds, while carrying 7 people on the way to the tip with half a track car engine in the boot, then they are doomed to failure.
Oh and if everyone bought one the lights would go out across the country.

So no one will buy one ever.

[Tuna]

walm said:

Again with these... facts..

I don't have anywhere to park, let alone charge an EV, so EVs are bound to fail. Get with the program.
I don't own a car and nor am I in the market for one but if it can't drive 500 miles on a tank which can be refilled in 60 seconds, while carrying 7 people on the way to the tip with half a track car engine in the boot, then they are doomed to failure.
Oh and if everyone bought one the lights would go out across the country.

So no one will buy one ever.

WTF? Who said EVs are bound to fail? Who said the lights would go out? Who said they won't sell?

If facts are important, perhaps you'd better start with what's actually been said on this thread.

[rscott]

Tuna said:

walm said:

Again with these... facts..

I don't have anywhere to park, let alone charge an EV, so EVs are bound to fail. Get with the program.
I don't own a car and nor am I in the market for one but if it can't drive 500 miles on a tank which can be refilled in 60 seconds, while carrying 7 people on the way to the tip with half a track car engine in the boot, then they are doomed to failure.
Oh and if everyone bought one the lights would go out across the country.

So no one will buy one ever.

WTF? Who said EVs are bound to fail? Who said the lights would go out? Who said they won't sell?

If facts are important, perhaps you'd better start with what's actually been said on this thread.

Several other posters in this thread have claimed that all 3 of those statements of yours will come true, one even that Tesla will fail completely.

[walm]

I was being obviously flippant but perhaps not THAT far off!

Mr GrimNasty said:

Like all these things battery cars are just the wrong engineering solution, and only made possible by vast waste of other people's money, and political interference.
When the subsidies dry up and/or the penny drops, they will just go away and die.

Tuna said:

We barely have enough energy at present, and for transport we rely on the majority of that in the form of oil based fuels that are directly burned in vehicles. Change the ICE to EV and we don't have anywhere else to burn that oil. Nor do we have spare capacity in the other generating sources.

Impasse said:

Technology that isn't or can't be accepted by a majority won't have a particularly rosy financial outlook...

Tuna said:

some of the challenges up ahead for serious mainstream adoption cannot just be waved away.

And my fave:

Impasse said:

My daughter lives in London. She's on the top floor in one of three freshly built 24 storey apartment blocks.

So unfortunately, we're still a long way from the blanket acceptance that "you can charge from home".

[TransverseTight]

I should add... if anyone lives in a flat or house eoth no off street parking and wants an EV but doesn't have somewhere to charge then PM me as that's what my business plan is all about. If I can't get these people into EVs with somewhere to charge my proposed business doesn't need to exist.

No subsidies will be needed as people will be expected to pay for the service at cost+. Still less than half the price of petrol.

I don't agree with giving electricity away for free or subsidised charging as it encourages hoging and unecesary day time charging that needa to be done at night.If you want people to buy electric cars all you need to do is get them on a test drive.

[Mr GrimNasty]

SolarCity shares crashing and burning babe, TESLA next? I'd bet.

Transverse still living in a fantasy world I see!

PS. The national grid had a Notification of Inadequate System Margin position on Monday, astonishing for the time of year.

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Wednesday 11th May 17:51

[rscott]

Mr GrimNasty said:

SolarCity shares crashing and burning babe, TESLA next? I'd bet.

Transverse still living in a fantasy world I see!

PS. The national grid had a Notification of Inadequate System Margin position on Monday, astonishing for the time of year.

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Wednesday 11th May 17:51

SolarCity shares which are up 10% on yesterday? Looks like they've hit 'rock bottom' (same level they were at back in February) and are slowly recovering.

[rscott]

Mr GrimNasty said:

PS. The national grid had a Notification of Inadequate System Margin position on Monday, astonishing for the time of year.

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Wednesday 11th May 17:51

Yep - aging infrastructure and a supply cable failure to blame it would seem ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/10/breakdo... ).

[FurtiveFreddy]

The financial markets seemingly hate what Musk is doing. Tesla stock is still outperforming anything I've watched in the past year. Go figure, as they say.

[skyrover]

rscott said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

SolarCity shares crashing and burning babe, TESLA next? I'd bet.

Transverse still living in a fantasy world I see!

PS. The national grid had a Notification of Inadequate System Margin position on Monday, astonishing for the time of year.

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Wednesday 11th May 17:51

SolarCity shares which are up 10% on yesterday? Looks like they've hit 'rock bottom' (same level they were at back in February) and are slowly recovering.

Solarcity shares are doing horribly.

1 month ago their stock was trading at $33 ... yesterday they closed at $17

Their trend has been steadily downward for the last year.

[Blaster72]

TransverseTight said:

I should add... if anyone lives in a flat or house eoth no off street parking and wants an EV but doesn't have somewhere to charge then PM me as that's what my business plan is all about. If I can't get these people into EVs with somewhere to charge my proposed business doesn't need to exist.

Does your business idea include rental properties or just owners? Genuinely interested.

[AmitG]

Atmospheric said:

The established are watching. In the meantime they're selling cars, judging sales of their hybrid and EV range and waiting.

I think it's the Japanese you'd need to watch here.

I agree. I sense that the Japanese are several steps ahead of everyone else on this whole thing, but I have nothing concrete to back this up.

[durbster]

AmitG said:

Atmospheric said:

The established are watching. In the meantime they're selling cars, judging sales of their hybrid and EV range and waiting.

I think it's the Japanese you'd need to watch here.

I agree. I sense that the Japanese are several steps ahead of everyone else on this whole thing, but I have nothing concrete to back this up.

A bit of a misleading headline but nevertheless there are now more electric charging points than petrol stations over there, so they're certainly not going in half arsed.

http://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/jap...

[Atmospheric]

AmitG said:

Atmospheric said:

The established are watching. In the meantime they're selling cars, judging sales of their hybrid and EV range and waiting.

I think it's the Japanese you'd need to watch here.

I agree. I sense that the Japanese are several steps ahead of everyone else on this whole thing, but I have nothing concrete to back this up.

I don't think you need to, look at history and technological firsts by the Japanese, certainly automotive in this case - they're years ahead.

Remember when Euro journalists mocked the skyline, saying it was like a computer game? That was over 15 years ago. And European performance cars now? Almost identical.

When they do it'll be properly engineered and they would have provided a battery & charging solution, although I suspect they don't see batteries as the solution...

[skyrover]

Funny how the Japanese wont touch diesel eh?

[RobDickinson]

They seem to be keen on hydrogen.

[Atmospheric]

skyrover said:

Funny how the Japanese wont touch diesel eh?

They knew all along! I suspect they won't export something that won't sell, so I expect much more advanced Hybrids and EVs from them in the next two years.

[gangzoom]

RobDickinson said:

They seem to be keen on hydrogen.

I forget which company makes the Leaf

As for hydrogen it's a joke, £1million refuel station, but due to having to store hydrogen at stupid high PSI, can only refuel 16 cars in a 24hr period.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-35...

[Blaster72]

I wouldn't call it a joke, it's early days yet. I think it's great different solutions are being tried rather than being blinkered into a corner.

[gangzoom]

Blaster72 said:

I wouldn't call it a joke, it's early days yet. I think it's great different solutions are being tried rather than being blinkered into a corner.

It's not been blinkered it's called physics. Storing a reactive gas at 700psi is never going to be easy. Also rember though lithium in battery's need extraction, fuel cell cars need platinum!! Finally producing hydrogen is even more inefficient than burning oil.

Do you own research into the tech and I'll be amazed if you don't come up with the same conclusions.

For a company that is otherwise quite logical, Toyota wasted a stupid amount of £££ chasing dead end tech.

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 12th May 08:06