Tesla Model 3 revealed
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Tuna said:
Really, no. Take the example of turning the heating up:
With a dial, you reach across (without looking) and feel the dial turn one click. You know you've done it and how much you've done it by without looking.
With a touch screen, you tap at the screen, having had to look at where your finger is relative to the controls (and check it's in the right mode). You then have to look again (or keep looking) to see if the heating's changed by a little or a lot.
Even with physical buttons and knobs, you look at controls. Everyone does. With a dial, you reach across (without looking) and feel the dial turn one click. You know you've done it and how much you've done it by without looking.
With a touch screen, you tap at the screen, having had to look at where your finger is relative to the controls (and check it's in the right mode). You then have to look again (or keep looking) to see if the heating's changed by a little or a lot.
Leithen said:
Tuna said:
Really, no. Take the example of turning the heating up:
With a dial, you reach across (without looking) and feel the dial turn one click. You know you've done it and how much you've done it by without looking.
With a touch screen, you tap at the screen, having had to look at where your finger is relative to the controls (and check it's in the right mode). You then have to look again (or keep looking) to see if the heating's changed by a little or a lot.
Even with physical buttons and knobs, you look at controls. Everyone does. With a dial, you reach across (without looking) and feel the dial turn one click. You know you've done it and how much you've done it by without looking.
With a touch screen, you tap at the screen, having had to look at where your finger is relative to the controls (and check it's in the right mode). You then have to look again (or keep looking) to see if the heating's changed by a little or a lot.
noone looks at the indicator stalks, audio controls on a steering wheel column nor cruise control when operating those, as they fall naturally to 'hand' and are in a familiar location.
With other physical buttons, you can get in the general vicinity and feel for them if needs be, that's not something you can do with a touch screen
INWB said:
Nobody seems to be talking about voice activation. It has been in cars for a long time but tend to use rubbish engines. The aircon for example could be easy to integrate. What is better than not taking your hands off the wheel at all?
I quite often use it - very easy to just say 'warmer' or 'cooler. Shame I have to hit a button on the steering wheel to activate the system but then it is 10 year old technology.I think there is a generational aspect to touchscreens. You only have to look at the expression of disbelief on a kid's face as they prod away at a non-touch screen. It is fast becoming a default and expected technology. If the driving situation demands such concentration that I cannot glance at a control I wouldn't be fumbling for a knob or switch either.
Love it, I can see into the future. I predict that we'll eliminate all inputs with tactical feedback and then magically 5 to 10 years after that someone will have an Eureka moment and will invent knobs and buttons and will make a s
t ton of money on it (it will be patented so 100% protected) plus will get a peace Nobel prize for solving a problem of driver distraction.
t ton of money on it (it will be patented so 100% protected) plus will get a peace Nobel prize for solving a problem of driver distraction.Artey said:
Love it, I can see into the future. I predict that we'll eliminate all inputs with tactical feedback and then magically 5 to 10 years after that someone will have an Eureka moment and will invent knobs and buttons and will make a st ton of money on it (it will be patented so 100% protected) plus will get a peace Nobel prize for solving a problem of driver distraction.
How would somebody patent it now you have put it out in the public domain?t ton of money on it (it will be patented so 100% protected) plus will get a peace Nobel prize for solving a problem of driver distraction.AnotherClarkey said:
Artey said:
Love it, I can see into the future. I predict that we'll eliminate all inputs with tactical feedback and then magically 5 to 10 years after that someone will have an Eureka moment and will invent knobs and buttons and will make a st ton of money on it (it will be patented so 100% protected) plus will get a peace Nobel prize for solving a problem of driver distraction.
How would somebody patent it now you have put it out in the public domain?t ton of money on it (it will be patented so 100% protected) plus will get a peace Nobel prize for solving a problem of driver distraction.Artey said:
Do you want to start a new thread to discuss this issue (and another one on spelling). We can have a troll off over there. Makes no sense to spam and derail this thread with unrelated BS.
Are you one of these 'internet hard men' I read about? How jolly. I won't bother with the spelling thread, you don't seem to appreciate help.AnotherClarkey said:
Are you one of these 'internet hard men' I read about? How jolly. I won't bother with the spelling thread, you don't seem to appreciate help.
There's a thin line between many things in life, like for example between being helpful and being patronising. Similar to a very thin line between punani and batty.AnotherClarkey said:
I quite often use it - very easy to just say 'warmer' or 'cooler. Shame I have to hit a button on the steering wheel to activate the system but then it is 10 year old technology.
Might be useful if the weather man on the radio says "It is going to be warmer tomorrow and even warmer on Thursday" and your heating gets cranked up!speedking31 said:
ight be useful if the weather man on the radio says "It is going to be warmer tomorrow and even warmer on Thursday" and your heating gets cranked up!
There's a great twitter feed that covers these fantastic inventions. https://twitter.com/internetofs
t?lang=en-gbArtey said:
AnotherClarkey said:
Are you one of these 'internet hard men' I read about? How jolly. I won't bother with the spelling thread, you don't seem to appreciate help.
There's a thin line between many things in life, like for example between being helpful and being patronising. Similar to a very thin line between punani and batty.feef said:
if it was me, I'd implement configurable physical buttons, maybe half a dozen at most, alongside a touchscreen
buttons I never use :
any of the HVAC buttons other than the screen clearing and temperature control, so I could relegate the internal/external air circulation, the air direction and AC on/off buttons to touch screen
I could relegate pretty much every audio function to somewhere in the touch screen as all I need is a volume control and link to my iPhone for music. The rest of the controls are available via the audio control stalk on the steering column anyway
Parking sensor on/off : it's always on, the only time I think I've turned it off was going through a car-wash, so it could be relegated to a touch-screen item
I'm sure there are others, but they're the ones that come to mind that I just don't need a physical button for
This is the thing though, I hung onto my blackberry for way too long because I initially found touchscreens very fiddly, and wanted my keyboard, now I wouldn't go back, we have had full touch screen phones around for a decade plus and apart from builders with their Nokia 3310's we have all grown used to them, even my 85 year old dad.buttons I never use :
any of the HVAC buttons other than the screen clearing and temperature control, so I could relegate the internal/external air circulation, the air direction and AC on/off buttons to touch screen
I could relegate pretty much every audio function to somewhere in the touch screen as all I need is a volume control and link to my iPhone for music. The rest of the controls are available via the audio control stalk on the steering column anyway
Parking sensor on/off : it's always on, the only time I think I've turned it off was going through a car-wash, so it could be relegated to a touch-screen item
I'm sure there are others, but they're the ones that come to mind that I just don't need a physical button for
Driving daily the common used controls are the stereo and heating, if you can have controls where you like and as big or small as you like why do you need to look, also bear in mind that even with buttons and knobs we generally glance across when using controls
babatunde said:
This is the thing though, I hung onto my blackberry for way too long because I initially found touchscreens very fiddly, and wanted my keyboard, now I wouldn't go back, we have had full touch screen phones around for a decade plus and apart from builders with their Nokia 3310's we have all grown used to them, even my 85 year old dad.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a touch screen in a car - for functions like sat nav, it's by far the best interface. It's just not quite so good as the only interface. Comparing it with your phone doesn't really allow for the way we use cars where the primary function is driving rather than focusing on radio/satnav/aircon etc. Compare it instead with cameras - where unless you're buying a very cheap model the useful functions are broken out into physical controls that fall easily to hand.But we're talking round in circles. Tesla has sold their solution as space age and you either believe that or you don't. It'll be interesting what the Model 3 ends up with as so far the rest of the car has appeared very unthreatening and conventional.
Supercharging will not be free for Model 3 owners
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/01/supercharging-n...
Some other interesting snippets in that article too.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/01/supercharging-n...
Some other interesting snippets in that article too.
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