Tesla Model 3 revealed
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Blaster72 said:
98elise said:
It was over their original piece on the Tesla. They said that the range was only 55 miles, and that the brakes were broken. They showed it being pushed back into the garage. Thay admitted that it wasn't actually out of charge so didn't need to be pushed anywhere. The brakes issue issue was regen so you had to use the actual brakes (ie push a bit harder). Their defence was its an entertainment show.
5th Gear did a piece on the same car and drove around 210miles (including a blast around a track) with rage to spare for rated range of 250miles. That was with Tiff driving and the range meter taped over.
Another journalist also tried to slate the range by driving around in circles at a car park before going to his destination. Tesla had learnt by now and had a tracker in the car to montior what was going on!
I think its a bit of both. Some journalists will want the car to fail so will give it an unfair review, some will love the new tech so will probably over look flaws. At the same time Tesla can be very agressive when they think somone is lying.
For me it was quite disapointing that the BBC would air a piece like that when a company is in its infancy. Top Gears reach is huge, and its using taxpayers money to damage a manufacturers business is wrong.
Can you remember how long ago that was, I can remember seeing that Top Gear and I've watched pretty much all of them. I wouldn't mind digging it out for a viewing. Ta. 5th Gear did a piece on the same car and drove around 210miles (including a blast around a track) with rage to spare for rated range of 250miles. That was with Tiff driving and the range meter taped over.
Another journalist also tried to slate the range by driving around in circles at a car park before going to his destination. Tesla had learnt by now and had a tracker in the car to montior what was going on!
I think its a bit of both. Some journalists will want the car to fail so will give it an unfair review, some will love the new tech so will probably over look flaws. At the same time Tesla can be very agressive when they think somone is lying.
For me it was quite disapointing that the BBC would air a piece like that when a company is in its infancy. Top Gears reach is huge, and its using taxpayers money to damage a manufacturers business is wrong.
At 5 minutes - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ITHC1vIGI-Q
They don't actually say it ran out, only that they worked out it would only do 50 miles, but clearly give the impression t ran out on the track.
They don't actually say it ran out, only that they worked out it would only do 50 miles, but clearly give the impression t ran out on the track.
Edited by V8LM on Sunday 12th June 12:03
The Vambo said:
The actual design and production engineering teams, just like pretty much every other car manufacturer, are headhunted as they have experience designing and building cars for the biggest companies in the industry.
I know that. They approached almost everyone where I work, and employed a few I know.The Vambo said:
Jader1973 said:
What they don't seem to realise is that the rules are there for a reason: if things go wrong with a car people can die. It is not a mobile phone.
You honestly think that nobody at Tesla realises that a member of the public dying in their car due to a fault is a bad thing? And not a "damn sales are down" sort of bad thing.People seem to have this strange idea that Tesla is entirely staffed by hoody and flip-flop wearing coder brainiacs who are suddenly building mechanical safety systems and fatigue testing parts for the first time.
The actual design and production engineering teams, just like pretty much every other car manufacturer, are headhunted as they have experience designing and building cars for the biggest companies in the industry.
V8LM said:
At 5 minutes - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ITHC1vIGI-Q
They don't actually say it ran out, only that they worked out it would only do 50 miles, but clearly give the impression t ran out on the track.
Thanks, thats fairer than I rememer it and no more than JC would normally pick holes in a car.They don't actually say it ran out, only that they worked out it would only do 50 miles, but clearly give the impression t ran out on the track.
Edited by V8LM on Sunday 12th June 12:03
What did tesla think he was going to be like?
Jader1973 said:
I think what winds people up about Tesla is that they are a tech company trying to make cars and they break all the conventional rules etc.
What they don't seem to realise is that the rules are there for a reason: if things go wrong with a car people can die. It is not a mobile phone.
That is why NDAs are a no no; that is why simply releasing a beta software update that enables new features over the ether and loading it on existing cars is a no no.
As the realities of being a car maker set in and they have to start following the rules, and the established manufacturers start to offer similar products, then they'll either go bankrupt or Musk will get fed up and sell up.
Either way, they'll be a very different company in a few years.
Those conventional rules where no car manufacturer would EVER do anything to compromise safety in return for sales/profits?What they don't seem to realise is that the rules are there for a reason: if things go wrong with a car people can die. It is not a mobile phone.
That is why NDAs are a no no; that is why simply releasing a beta software update that enables new features over the ether and loading it on existing cars is a no no.
As the realities of being a car maker set in and they have to start following the rules, and the established manufacturers start to offer similar products, then they'll either go bankrupt or Musk will get fed up and sell up.
Either way, they'll be a very different company in a few years.
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ash73 said:
Jader1973 said:
The Vambo said:
The actual design and production engineering teams, just like pretty much every other car manufacturer, are headhunted as they have experience designing and building cars for the biggest companies in the industry.
I know that. They approached almost everyone where I work, and employed a few I know.
Maybe Apple cars will take him.The Vambo said:
ash73 said:
Jader1973 said:
The Vambo said:
The actual design and production engineering teams, just like pretty much every other car manufacturer, are headhunted as they have experience designing and building cars for the biggest companies in the industry.
I know that. They approached almost everyone where I work, and employed a few I know. Maybe Apple cars will take him.
feef said:
Jader1973 said:
I think what winds people up about Tesla is that they are a tech company trying to make cars and they break all the conventional rules etc.
What they don't seem to realise is that the rules are there for a reason: if things go wrong with a car people can die. It is not a mobile phone.
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Those conventional rules where no car manufacturer would EVER do anything to compromise safety in return for sales/profits?What they don't seem to realise is that the rules are there for a reason: if things go wrong with a car people can die. It is not a mobile phone.
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In fact, I don't think Telsa are the great disruptor they'd like to be painted as - though there isn't a single tech company around at the moment that doesn't use the 'd' word. If you're not disrupting, you don't get in the news. They have different priorities, and come up with some different solutions to well known problems, but that's not really that radical. The mainstream motor industry has come out with some fairly unusual ideas over the years (and got ridiculed when they didn't deliver). Tesla's boldness is in the business decisions they're making rather than the technology in their cars.
Tuna said:
In fact, I don't think Telsa are the great disruptor they'd like to be painted as - though there isn't a single tech company around at the moment that doesn't use the 'd' word. If you're not disrupting, you don't get in the news. They have different priorities, and come up with some different solutions to well known problems, but that's not really that radical. The mainstream motor industry has come out with some fairly unusual ideas over the years (and got ridiculed when they didn't deliver). Tesla's boldness is in the business decisions they're making rather than the technology in their cars.
I think you're right.They thrive on being constantly on the media. They must be cool because everyone is always talking about them. Right?
The whole Model 3 "launch" is a perfect example. "Look at us! We're changing the way the auto industry works!!" (By "launching " a car that doesn't exist and taking deposits on it to boost our stock price so we can try to actually make it).
Or the "Look we're disrupting the market again by launching a slower version of the faster version of our only model. Aren't we cool?".
Strip away the hype and spin and it is just a company that makes niche cars that aren't practical enough for the mass market. Their weakness is all the other manufacturers already make cars for the mass market and are working on various technologies to make them more environmentally friendly. And none of them are daft enough to go 100% pure EV across their range at the moment.
Tuna said:
In fact, I don't think Telsa are the great disruptor they'd like to be painted as - though there isn't a single tech company around at the moment that doesn't use the 'd' word. If you're not disrupting, you don't get in the news. They have different priorities, and come up with some different solutions to well known problems, but that's not really that radical. The mainstream motor industry has come out with some fairly unusual ideas over the years (and got ridiculed when they didn't deliver). Tesla's boldness is in the business decisions they're making rather than the technology in their cars.
I agree. I would argue that Toyota have been more of a technology disrupter, with hybrid technology and now hydrogen fuel cells. Both were ridiculed. One has gone mainstream, and the jury is still out on the other.Tesla have built the best-looking battery EV out there, with the coolest interface and the best ownership experience. In doing so, they've made the first really desirable battery EV. That's their great achievement IMHO. The technology is nothing special.
Jader1973 said:
Tuna said:
In fact, I don't think Telsa are the great disruptor they'd like to be painted as - though there isn't a single tech company around at the moment that doesn't use the 'd' word. If you're not disrupting, you don't get in the news. They have different priorities, and come up with some different solutions to well known problems, but that's not really that radical. The mainstream motor industry has come out with some fairly unusual ideas over the years (and got ridiculed when they didn't deliver). Tesla's boldness is in the business decisions they're making rather than the technology in their cars.
I think you're right.They thrive on being constantly on the media. They must be cool because everyone is always talking about them. Right?
The whole Model 3 "launch" is a perfect example. "Look at us! We're changing the way the auto industry works!!" (By "launching " a car that doesn't exist and taking deposits on it to boost our stock price so we can try to actually make it).
Or the "Look we're disrupting the market again by launching a slower version of the faster version of our only model. Aren't we cool?".
Strip away the hype and spin and it is just a company that makes niche cars that aren't practical enough for the mass market. Their weakness is all the other manufacturers already make cars for the mass market and are working on various technologies to make them more environmentally friendly. And none of them are daft enough to go 100% pure EV across their range at the moment.
I don't think you understand the difference between stock price and company funds.
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