Tesla Model 3 revealed
Discussion
if you're just pottering around, or commuting, then 215 miles would be plenty. If you think about who this sort of car is aimed at, the target market for Teslas in general - it's basically people who are used to charging the phones, watches, smart toothbrushes, etc up every night or every other night. To those people at least having to charge the car up every other day, while they sleep, will be nothing really - just another device you plug in before you go to bed.
It's not a car for everyone, and there will be many who write it off because they can't drive up to Scotland and back on a single charge, but it's manifestly not for those people, just as an Apple Watch isn't for people for whom the notion of charging a watch is irritating.
It's not a car for everyone, and there will be many who write it off because they can't drive up to Scotland and back on a single charge, but it's manifestly not for those people, just as an Apple Watch isn't for people for whom the notion of charging a watch is irritating.
Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 11th July 17:04
Jader1973 said:
The Model 3 looks s
te though - very, very bland.
In fact all of their models look ste - the X is massive, looks about the size of a Sprinter van.
None of that will stop the fan boys who can't afford a Model S from buying a Model 3 though. The problem Tesla has is there is no hope of them finding 500,000 new fan boys every year to buy all the Model 3s Elon thinks they are going to be able to make. On top of that their sales are dropping as EV subsidies dry up.
Their time is running out. All the others are catching them up and will be offering similar product in a couple of years. At which point the unique selling point has gone. Then they can't stay afloat as their market stagnates because every one who wants a Tesla has bought one, and people who want EV's shop around the established brands. For example, there is more chance of an existing Volvo customer going from ICE to hybrid to EV with Volvo than there is of them jumping from an ICE Volvo to a Tesla.
They probably need to diversify in to ICE / hybrid powered cars to maintain the volumes they need to keep going. Which is ironic.
This was all part of the plan though wasn't it? That's why the patents are open.te though - very, very bland.In fact all of their models look s
te - the X is massive, looks about the size of a Sprinter van.None of that will stop the fan boys who can't afford a Model S from buying a Model 3 though. The problem Tesla has is there is no hope of them finding 500,000 new fan boys every year to buy all the Model 3s Elon thinks they are going to be able to make. On top of that their sales are dropping as EV subsidies dry up.
Their time is running out. All the others are catching them up and will be offering similar product in a couple of years. At which point the unique selling point has gone. Then they can't stay afloat as their market stagnates because every one who wants a Tesla has bought one, and people who want EV's shop around the established brands. For example, there is more chance of an existing Volvo customer going from ICE to hybrid to EV with Volvo than there is of them jumping from an ICE Volvo to a Tesla.
They probably need to diversify in to ICE / hybrid powered cars to maintain the volumes they need to keep going. Which is ironic.
jamoor said:
This was all part of the plan though wasn't it? That's why the patents are open.
Indeed. It seems a lot of people have lost sight of, or aren't even aware of Musk's motivations.I'll happily drive around in a "bland, overpriced, badly-made" Tesla rather than something like a Golf GTE produced by a company who invested time and money to get around emissions tests.
And I'm not even an eco-warrior!
motoroller said:
Byker28i said:
330d fully spec'd is £44,500 or there abouts,
Managed to get a non-xDrive 330d up to £52k, the xDrive 335d would be north of £55k fully speccedSame goes for someone who pays £55k for a 3 series diesel.
£35k would get you into a very nice 330i M-Sport - this is a like for like comparison Tesla is up against.
I understand the car is quick and battery powered but other than that I don't understand why so many people want one already. Tesla have some magic around their marketing, that's for sure.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Indeed. It seems a lot of people have lost sight of, or aren't even aware of Musk's motivations.
I'll happily drive around in a "bland, overpriced, badly-made" Tesla rather than something like a Golf GTE produced by a company who invested time and money to get around emissions tests.
And I'm not even an eco-warrior!
Agree with all that.I'll happily drive around in a "bland, overpriced, badly-made" Tesla rather than something like a Golf GTE produced by a company who invested time and money to get around emissions tests.
And I'm not even an eco-warrior!
I love companies who simply come out of nowhere and turn things upside down and upset all the major manufacturers.
It's sometimes the only thing that pushes everything forward.
I wouldn't piss on VW if they were on fire and would have a Tesla over any electric offerings from VW just to be different.
By the way, a hybrid VW Passat GTE is 'from £37,000' whilst we are discussing prices.
I think the Tesla 3 is good value at roughly £35,000.
As has been pointed out, almost no one pays the sticker price of a car these days, which is why you never see anything advertised as '£18,995' or whatever, it's just £200 a month, £350 a month, £500 a month or whatever.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Indeed. It seems a lot of people have lost sight of, or aren't even aware of Musk's motivations.
I'll happily drive around in a "bland, overpriced, badly-made" Tesla rather than something like a Golf GTE produced by a company who invested time and money to get around emissions tests.
And I'm not even an eco-warrior!
Musk's only motivation is money, his cars are built with billions of taxpayer money, some hero.I'll happily drive around in a "bland, overpriced, badly-made" Tesla rather than something like a Golf GTE produced by a company who invested time and money to get around emissions tests.
And I'm not even an eco-warrior!
How is getting rich by selling an uneconomically viable product with money extorted from unwilling contributors good?
As for the whole ICE and especially diesel car emissions nonsense, the 'scandal' has been vastly exaggerated and exploited, it did no actual measurable harm - despite what you probably believe.
Tesla cars has no future without massive subsidy, Telsa can get away with it when their market share is inconsequential.
But obviously it does not scale up.
Take a look at what happened to EV car sales in Denmark when they messed with the ridiculous level of subsidy & created uncertainty - sales fell through the floor.
And just now in Hong Kong, a very small market, but killed Tesla sales literally overnight by removing the subsidy.
They can't compete on cost and never will.
Blaster72 said:
...I don't understand why so many people want one.
Not all buying decisions are logical. A lot of money is invested in crowdfunding projects for products which are innovative, different and may not even work very well.
I see the Model 3 as something like that. Not sure I'll even like it when I get it, but I'm happy to be a part of getting it to market and I'm sure I could sell it on if I really don't bond with it.
In my mind, there is no logic in people buying Apple products, other than they look and feel 'nice' and can be used by technophobes. There's no shortage of Apple customers though.
Mr GrimNasty said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
Indeed. It seems a lot of people have lost sight of, or aren't even aware of Musk's motivations.
I'll happily drive around in a "bland, overpriced, badly-made" Tesla rather than something like a Golf GTE produced by a company who invested time and money to get around emissions tests.
And I'm not even an eco-warrior!
Musk's only motivation is money, his cars are built with billions of taxpayer money, some hero.I'll happily drive around in a "bland, overpriced, badly-made" Tesla rather than something like a Golf GTE produced by a company who invested time and money to get around emissions tests.
And I'm not even an eco-warrior!
How is getting rich by selling an uneconomically viable product with money extorted from unwilling contributors good?
As for the whole ICE and especially diesel car emissions nonsense, the 'scandal' has been vastly exaggerated and exploited, it did no actual measurable harm - despite what you probably believe.
Tesla cars has no future without massive subsidy, Telsa can get away with it when their market share is inconsequential.
But obviously it does not scale up.
Take a look at what happened to EV car sales in Denmark when they messed with the ridiculous level of subsidy & created uncertainty - sales fell through the floor.
And just now in Hong Kong, a very small market, but killed Tesla sales literally overnight by removing the subsidy.
They can't compete on cost and never will.
He sunk nearly every penny he had from his original startup into PayPal, then nearly every penny form PayPal into both Tesla and SpaceX and nearly ended up living in his fiancées parents basement because of it.
RobDickinson said:
The easy thing to do if you don't like the model 3, or think it's too expensive or whatever.
Don't buy one.
Thanks Rob, I was really struggling with what I should do Don't buy one.
We can still talk about it though , can't we. I'm pretty sure that's what forums are for, well that and arguing about everything
Still looking forward to the first road test reviews. This is either going to push motoring forwards or be a giant flop that sinks Tesla. Fingers crossed it's the former.
Blaster72 said:
You can spec a Model S up to north of £150,000, I'm pretty sure anyone doing so would have to be insane but you can do it.
Same goes for someone who pays £55k for a 3 series diesel.
£35k would get you into a very nice 330i M-Sport - this is a like for like comparison Tesla is up against.
I understand the car is quick and battery powered but other than that I don't understand why so many people want one already. Tesla have some magic around their marketing, that's for sure.
I think a Model 3 sounds a much more interesting thing that a turbocharged four pot three series. I had a modern 3-series (a diesel one) as a courtesy car when my Z4M was in, and it was utterly bland. Same goes for someone who pays £55k for a 3 series diesel.
£35k would get you into a very nice 330i M-Sport - this is a like for like comparison Tesla is up against.
I understand the car is quick and battery powered but other than that I don't understand why so many people want one already. Tesla have some magic around their marketing, that's for sure.
otolith said:
Blaster72 said:
You can spec a Model S up to north of £150,000, I'm pretty sure anyone doing so would have to be insane but you can do it.
Same goes for someone who pays £55k for a 3 series diesel.
£35k would get you into a very nice 330i M-Sport - this is a like for like comparison Tesla is up against.
I understand the car is quick and battery powered but other than that I don't understand why so many people want one already. Tesla have some magic around their marketing, that's for sure.
I think a Model 3 sounds a much more interesting thing that a turbocharged four pot three series. I had a modern 3-series (a diesel one) as a courtesy car when my Z4M was in, and it was utterly bland. Same goes for someone who pays £55k for a 3 series diesel.
£35k would get you into a very nice 330i M-Sport - this is a like for like comparison Tesla is up against.
I understand the car is quick and battery powered but other than that I don't understand why so many people want one already. Tesla have some magic around their marketing, that's for sure.
I won't be looking for one when a 3 is available if the S is anything to go by. I thought it was fantastic and my commute is only 50 miles a day.
loose cannon said:
manracer said:
Not a Tesla fan then, no?
Well Neither am I, But i've ordered a Model 3 - what label would you like to put on me?
Keeping up with the jones' fashionista Well Neither am I, But i've ordered a Model 3 - what label would you like to put on me?
My motivation is simple: I like rapid acceleration, I like saving money on fuel costs, I usually like to have a slightly different vehicle (now I know that could be an issue if thousands of the bloody things hit the roads but I'm guessing it will still be less than the golf and the 3 series.
Oh and I like loud music so not that bothered about the lack of engine noise.
I'm also installing solar on the house and a Tesla Powerball to reduce costs. I'm in to this for the long term, because if I can do my bit to save the planet, save money and hit 60 in about 4 seconds then I'll be very happy.
The first 30 customers are getting their cars at a delivery part on July 28th.
I hope soon after this we'll start seeing some real details and information and one of those 30 at least will do a proper review.
With the (albeit ugly) new leaf being revealed in Sept and supposedly having a 200+ mile range Tesla will have some competition next year.
I know it's subjective but I absolutely love the look of the Model 3 and think the single screen minimalist interior is great, when you look at spy shots of the new Leaf it looks like both cars are from a different decade.
Interesting times ahead.
I hope soon after this we'll start seeing some real details and information and one of those 30 at least will do a proper review.
With the (albeit ugly) new leaf being revealed in Sept and supposedly having a 200+ mile range Tesla will have some competition next year.
I know it's subjective but I absolutely love the look of the Model 3 and think the single screen minimalist interior is great, when you look at spy shots of the new Leaf it looks like both cars are from a different decade.
Interesting times ahead.
Edited by Blaster72 on Tuesday 11th July 23:13
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