Tesla Model 3 revealed
Discussion
Tuna said:
craste said:
Give it a year or so and they will have performance models (m-sport/R-sport/AMG type of thing) where they will look even more sporty and they will trounce over their competitors performance wise.
This is where people misunderstand EV tech. This is the sporty model. It's every model. There's not that much you can do to dramatically change the performance or range - and Tesla is happy to provide 'ludicrous' sports mode on every model they build. At this stage, it'll pay them not to do any styling tweaks so what you get out of the factory is what you get out of the factory. I'm not really understanding the negative comments regarding charging points. Many years ago when the combustion car was born, there would have been the same issues with hardly any petrol stations, but it didn't stop the sales of cars and bikes.
There will be many chief executives from various companies sitting watching this hype and be planning charging partnerships with Tesla, think outside the box: Starbuck, McDonald's, KFC etc etc. While people charge their cars for 30 mins they'll buy goods from their companies, it's a no brainer. + work places will add them to their car parks, giving them good 'green' credentials.
In the same way we can collect and deliver parcels via Sainsbury's, Ebay via Argos etc the game has changed.
Tesla are breaking the rule book regarding the traditional car, buying it from a shopping mall for one. By the time the car arrives in the UK, there's will be charging stations everywhere but in places you don't expect.
I don't believe the scaremongering going on here on the forum suggesting everyone will have to wait an hour to charge. You adapt to this new technology, in the same way I make sure my phone and iPad are charged for my day ahead, you adapt to this new way of living. Charging stations will be for those on longer journeys and those who get caught short.
There will be many chief executives from various companies sitting watching this hype and be planning charging partnerships with Tesla, think outside the box: Starbuck, McDonald's, KFC etc etc. While people charge their cars for 30 mins they'll buy goods from their companies, it's a no brainer. + work places will add them to their car parks, giving them good 'green' credentials.
In the same way we can collect and deliver parcels via Sainsbury's, Ebay via Argos etc the game has changed.
Tesla are breaking the rule book regarding the traditional car, buying it from a shopping mall for one. By the time the car arrives in the UK, there's will be charging stations everywhere but in places you don't expect.
I don't believe the scaremongering going on here on the forum suggesting everyone will have to wait an hour to charge. You adapt to this new technology, in the same way I make sure my phone and iPad are charged for my day ahead, you adapt to this new way of living. Charging stations will be for those on longer journeys and those who get caught short.
ash73 said:
Tuna said:
As for the car itself? 3 Series saloon - meh. It's slick, for sure, but I can't get excited about that styling. A safe family saloon has never been on my wish list though - but I can see that it'll appeal to a lot of people.
I like it but I'm surprised by the number of orders for a saloon, I thought everyone wanted a SUV these days.DonkeyApple said:
Missing the point. You're just joining the latest craze. Once the buzz dies down and the next bit of excitement replaces it then many will just take the money back and move on. They might not realise it but they have absolutely no intention of actually buying a car, just being part of a live craze for a while.
That's right.There are a lot of people who will never complete the purchase.
Paying the deposit gives them bragging rights, e mails from Elon, perhaps the odd goody bag and they will feel they are a part of the magic.
If the deposits were NON refundable you'd see the real believers.
With interest rates so low they aren't losing anything and Tesla get a lot of cashflow to use for the price of an e mail.
johnnnnnnyy said:
I'm not really understanding the negative comments regarding charging points. Many years ago when the combustion car was born, there would have been the same issues with hardly any petrol stations, but it didn't stop the sales of cars and bikes.
There will be many chief executives from various companies sitting watching this hype and be planning charging partnerships with Tesla, think outside the box: Starbuck, McDonald's, KFC etc etc. While people charge their cars for 30 mins they'll buy goods from their companies, it's a no brainer. + work places will add them to their car parks, giving them good 'green' credentials.
In the same way we can collect and deliver parcels via Sainsbury's, Ebay via Argos etc the game has changed.
Tesla are breaking the rule book regarding the traditional car, buying it from a shopping mall for one. By the time the car arrives in the UK, there's will be charging stations everywhere but in places you don't expect.
I don't believe the scaremongering going on here on the forum suggesting everyone will have to wait an hour to charge. You adapt to this new technology, in the same way I make sure my phone and iPad are charged for my day ahead, you adapt to this new way of living. Charging stations will be for those on longer journeys and those who get caught short.
like children, don't like greens..There will be many chief executives from various companies sitting watching this hype and be planning charging partnerships with Tesla, think outside the box: Starbuck, McDonald's, KFC etc etc. While people charge their cars for 30 mins they'll buy goods from their companies, it's a no brainer. + work places will add them to their car parks, giving them good 'green' credentials.
In the same way we can collect and deliver parcels via Sainsbury's, Ebay via Argos etc the game has changed.
Tesla are breaking the rule book regarding the traditional car, buying it from a shopping mall for one. By the time the car arrives in the UK, there's will be charging stations everywhere but in places you don't expect.
I don't believe the scaremongering going on here on the forum suggesting everyone will have to wait an hour to charge. You adapt to this new technology, in the same way I make sure my phone and iPad are charged for my day ahead, you adapt to this new way of living. Charging stations will be for those on longer journeys and those who get caught short.
Sway said:
Seeing as everyone seem to agree it's a commuter or second car, why aren't they building a smaller +2? Maybe something a little bigger than a RX7, with decent luggage space.
Surely easier to get even more range if it's smaller and lighter?
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/18/next-tesla-roadster-four-years-maximum-plaid/Surely easier to get even more range if it's smaller and lighter?
johnnnnnnyy said:
I'm not really understanding the negative comments regarding charging points. Many years ago when the combustion car was born, there would have been the same issues with hardly any petrol stations, but it didn't stop the sales of cars and bikes.
There will be many chief executives from various companies sitting watching this hype and be planning charging partnerships with Tesla, think outside the box: Starbuck, McDonald's, KFC etc etc. While people charge their cars for 30 mins they'll buy goods from their companies, it's a no brainer. + work places will add them to their car parks, giving them good 'green' credentials.
In the same way we can collect and deliver parcels via Sainsbury's, Ebay via Argos etc the game has changed.
Tesla are breaking the rule book regarding the traditional car, buying it from a shopping mall for one. By the time the car arrives in the UK, there's will be charging stations everywhere but in places you don't expect.
I don't believe the scaremongering going on here on the forum suggesting everyone will have to wait an hour to charge. You adapt to this new technology, in the same way I make sure my phone and iPad are charged for my day ahead, you adapt to this new way of living. Charging stations will be for those on longer journeys and those who get caught short.
That's a great point about partnership businesses having a charging point.There will be many chief executives from various companies sitting watching this hype and be planning charging partnerships with Tesla, think outside the box: Starbuck, McDonald's, KFC etc etc. While people charge their cars for 30 mins they'll buy goods from their companies, it's a no brainer. + work places will add them to their car parks, giving them good 'green' credentials.
In the same way we can collect and deliver parcels via Sainsbury's, Ebay via Argos etc the game has changed.
Tesla are breaking the rule book regarding the traditional car, buying it from a shopping mall for one. By the time the car arrives in the UK, there's will be charging stations everywhere but in places you don't expect.
I don't believe the scaremongering going on here on the forum suggesting everyone will have to wait an hour to charge. You adapt to this new technology, in the same way I make sure my phone and iPad are charged for my day ahead, you adapt to this new way of living. Charging stations will be for those on longer journeys and those who get caught short.
I'd have one like a shot, increased footfall of high net worth owners with plenty of disposable for 30 minutes.
I love the comments regarding how Tesla have got it all wrong, car design is wrong, it'll never last, hydrogen cells are the future, how stupid you are to put a deposit down on a non-existent car etc. etc.
One of the deciding factors in my decision to reserve one is that this comes from the same mind and leadership as responsible for designing, building and sending a recoverable vehicle to the ISS.
I'm sure when there were only steam-powered vehicles and the ICE had just been invented, there would have been similar outcries from the Luddites of the time.
Personally, I believe EV and ICE will co-exist for a long time to come and I intend to have at least one of each while I can still drive.
One of the deciding factors in my decision to reserve one is that this comes from the same mind and leadership as responsible for designing, building and sending a recoverable vehicle to the ISS.
I'm sure when there were only steam-powered vehicles and the ICE had just been invented, there would have been similar outcries from the Luddites of the time.
Personally, I believe EV and ICE will co-exist for a long time to come and I intend to have at least one of each while I can still drive.
Piersman2 said:
Tesla are being clever here and tying people into orders for a vehicle which will be fighting in a market about to be flooded by the usual suspect car manufacturers in the next few years.
The technology to build electric cars is now approaching 300 miles on a single charge, this is the tipping point for the big boys and they are all racing to release their own electric vehicles over the next few years.
Tesla will be dead in 5-10 years time as the big boys start releasing their own EVs and use scales of production to push down prices.
I agree that the established players will bring out similar cars, however my guess is that it's a number of the established players who will be struggling.The technology to build electric cars is now approaching 300 miles on a single charge, this is the tipping point for the big boys and they are all racing to release their own electric vehicles over the next few years.
Tesla will be dead in 5-10 years time as the big boys start releasing their own EVs and use scales of production to push down prices.
As a i3 owner the only thing that BMW did better than Tesla is the CFRP construction, which is arguably to enable low-scale production. For an EV where the majority of the powertrain and mechanical complexity doesn't exist then software is much more important. The most innovative use of software we've seen from the established players was to get round emissions test.
Whilst the CCS standard is the right solution for charging until someone makes a proper investment in infrastructure in reality it won't be able to complete with Tesla. So BMW, Audi etc might have technically brilliant cars but without infrastructure who will buy them?
Sway said:
Seeing as everyone seem to agree it's a commuter or second car, why aren't they building a smaller +2? Maybe something a little bigger than a RX7, with decent luggage space.
Surely easier to get even more range if it's smaller and lighter?
Efficiency is affected more by rolling resistance and drag. If you eliminated those a car would need no energy to keep going Surely easier to get even more range if it's smaller and lighter?
They are going for mass appeal which is why they are building a 5 seater saloon.
Thankyou4calling said:
DonkeyApple said:
Missing the point. You're just joining the latest craze. Once the buzz dies down and the next bit of excitement replaces it then many will just take the money back and move on. They might not realise it but they have absolutely no intention of actually buying a car, just being part of a live craze for a while.
That's right.There are a lot of people who will never complete the purchase.
Paying the deposit gives them bragging rights, e mails from Elon, perhaps the odd goody bag and they will feel they are a part of the magic.
If the deposits were NON refundable you'd see the real believers.
With interest rates so low they aren't losing anything and Tesla get a lot of cashflow to use for the price of an e mail.
JonnyVTEC said:
craste said:
The Tesla S has the P 90 D as in P for performance - like the M-sport/r-Sport/AMG etc. I'm not misunderstood I can assure you.
Someone's confusing something, those sporty trim levels have nothing to do with offering extra performance!The P will have performance and sporty trim, red brake callipers, carbon fibre spoiler etc.
That better? ☺
AndrewSV said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
feef said:
Tesla also have their domestic battery power supply system, and I could envisage those being deployed into the workings of the superchargers so the load of charging a vehicle is evened out over the day.
That would help the power infrastructure cope with the load of multiple vehicles charging at once with an increased in number of charging stations
They've already discontinued the higher capacity 'powerwall'. And the other will follow soon, it makes no environmental or economic sense whatsoever.That would help the power infrastructure cope with the load of multiple vehicles charging at once with an increased in number of charging stations
At least when the Model 3 fails to shift the required units we'll finally see the end of this pointless subsidy-addicted company, and hopefully people will realise how stupid the idea of mass use of electric cars is.
~2% of UK primary power came from renewables (inc. hydro) last year, and for at least the next 4/5 years the UK grid will be on a knife-edge each winter. That 2% is already costing every household ~£300 on their bills and more through general taxation etc.
Renewables/electric cars are incapable of replacing hydrocarbon fuels at scale.
Renewables/electric cars are
ks.AnotherClarkey said:
Tuna said:
People are buying the hype. Have you ever heard of someone committing to a $35,000 purchase without reading a single independent review?
Nobody has committed to a purchase, the deposit is fully refundable at any time.I guess you should look at all those £5k TVR deposits that were taken for a car that doesn't even have a picture, factory or final price.
98elise said:
How many people do you think will drop out?
Now there's a question.As an example of people not seeing things through it surprises me that people book a flight, pay for it and don't show. Others have a ticket to the cup final and don't make it.
I'm told that retailers allow for only 60% of gift cards to be redeemed so there are a lot of people not completing.
In three years time a good percentage ( and I know it's a bit morbid) will be dead, disabled and unable to drive, an awful lot will have changed circumstances and no longer want or be able to afford a car. Plenty of others will divorce or just change their mind.
I'm going for 25%.
Yes. 25% of those who've placed a deposit will actually see it through.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Saturday 2nd April 13:27
That looks good, I do believe this is a watershed moment for the EV.
To all the naysayers, nobody has touted as the answer to everything, just a possible solution that will work for many, 200 miles range is adequate for most people but of course there will be situations that will preclude using a Model 3, I drove to Luton and back yesterday, 350 ish mile round trip, I coudlnt have used it for that, plus have been to Bath twice this year, three journeys in four months where I couldnt have used it.
However, if I had one, I would have had to plan around it, use another car, use public transport etc, where there is a will, there is a way and we may just have to use a bit of ingenuity whilst the infrastructure catches up, which it undoutedly will, with all the deposits taken, it seems there will be buyers for as many as they can make, tesla are putting in Infrastructure and of course, there will be money in it for those that provide charging capacity, what a god given opportunity, provide some charging points and have some captive consumers in your business whilst they wait, spending money as well, they dont need to dispense the electricity like we do petrol, they plug it in and wander off, it is manna from heaven for businesses if they catch on.
Do not underestimate how important this is, maybe not today where we see the odd Zoe, Leaf or Tesla, but in say five to ten years when there are legions of them, including the model 3 that several have placed order for on this very thread, offer some electricity for the weary EV and cash in, people will alter their habits to use places that are EV Friendly.
To all the naysayers, nobody has touted as the answer to everything, just a possible solution that will work for many, 200 miles range is adequate for most people but of course there will be situations that will preclude using a Model 3, I drove to Luton and back yesterday, 350 ish mile round trip, I coudlnt have used it for that, plus have been to Bath twice this year, three journeys in four months where I couldnt have used it.
However, if I had one, I would have had to plan around it, use another car, use public transport etc, where there is a will, there is a way and we may just have to use a bit of ingenuity whilst the infrastructure catches up, which it undoutedly will, with all the deposits taken, it seems there will be buyers for as many as they can make, tesla are putting in Infrastructure and of course, there will be money in it for those that provide charging capacity, what a god given opportunity, provide some charging points and have some captive consumers in your business whilst they wait, spending money as well, they dont need to dispense the electricity like we do petrol, they plug it in and wander off, it is manna from heaven for businesses if they catch on.
Do not underestimate how important this is, maybe not today where we see the odd Zoe, Leaf or Tesla, but in say five to ten years when there are legions of them, including the model 3 that several have placed order for on this very thread, offer some electricity for the weary EV and cash in, people will alter their habits to use places that are EV Friendly.
Tuna said:
People are buying the hype. Have you ever heard of someone committing to a $35,000 purchase without reading a single independent review?
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Yes - my dad..
Bought a brand new Honda Ridgeline pickup based on how the tailgate opened (flips down or swings open to reveal a storage compartment below the bed). He paid the full amount up front and collected it a while later. Got in it and had to ask the dealer how to put it in gear as it is a column shifter.
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