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JonV8V said:
98elise said:
The only bizarre thing is your assumptions about the marketing. In all driving reviews I've seen of it the journalists say that tesla have told them they need to remain in control, and to keep hands on the wheel. To activate it you have to aknowledge that you understand these limitations.
They don't seem to have hidden anything. Their only comments about crashes seem to be confirming what was activated (or not) and handing over the logs to the relevant authority.
They've also confirmed that on one of the accidents the driver was not holding the wheel for over two minutes and rather than invoke the safety system they state of slowing the car down, they decided to put up a message on the dash that would have only been visible by somebody paying attention, which clearly they were not.They don't seem to have hidden anything. Their only comments about crashes seem to be confirming what was activated (or not) and handing over the logs to the relevant authority.
I agree its the drivers responsibility, I disagree that Tesla have decided to not enforce the "paying attention" type rules they know the driver needs to exhibit. They can't have it both ways.
98elise said:
As I understand it if you ignore the dash message it will give an audible warning, then it will slow the car to a stop and stick the hazards on.
That's what they say, but after their analysis of one of the recent accidents they said it was over two minutes of nagging and it still didn't do slow downJonV8V said:
That's what they say, but after their analysis of one of the recent accidents they said it was over two minutes of nagging and it still didn't do slow down
If that's the crash in Montana you're referring to, the driver was trying to use AP in a situation where Tesla specifically state it shouldn't be used and then ignored the warnings to disengage it.It still comes back to the fact that the driver was responsible for his vehicle and passengers so should have made himself aware of the shortcomings and restrictions of AP before using it.
FurtiveFreddy said:
JonV8V said:
That's what they say, but after their analysis of one of the recent accidents they said it was over two minutes of nagging and it still didn't do slow down
If that's the crash in Montana you're referring to, the driver was trying to use AP in a situation where Tesla specifically state it shouldn't be used and then ignored the warnings to disengage it.It still comes back to the fact that the driver was responsible for his vehicle and passengers so should have made himself aware of the shortcomings and restrictions of AP before using it.
JonV8V said:
It was the Montana one but it just proves the point - the car knew it was wrong but did nothing to disengage. Why not?
Good question and changes in the way they implement AP in the future may mean they won't allow it to be activated on that type of road. We'll have to see. It seems Tesla want to give their customers the responsibility to use the various safety systems incorporated into the cars the way they choose. i.e. even they're not designed to handle some types of road. The only way a 'beta' system like this is going to get better is if it's exposed to all sorts of challenges and learns to overcome them with assistance from the driver.
Whether all Tesla owners are responsible or good enough drivers to provide that input is probably the bigger question. I'm wondering whether it might be better to restrict certain features to a sub-set of owners who have specifically signed up to be beta testers and will act responsibly. This is an example of how it can work well:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tacc-contr...
FurtiveFreddy said:
Good question and changes in the way they implement AP in the future may mean they won't allow it to be activated on that type of road. We'll have to see.
It seems Tesla want to give their customers the responsibility to use the various safety systems incorporated into the cars the way they choose. i.e. even they're not designed to handle some types of road. The only way a 'beta' system like this is going to get better is if it's exposed to all sorts of challenges and learns to overcome them with assistance from the driver.
Whether all Tesla owners are responsible or good enough drivers to provide that input is probably the bigger question. I'm wondering whether it might be better to restrict certain features to a sub-set of owners who have specifically signed up to be beta testers and will act responsibly. This is an example of how it can work well:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tacc-contr...
It's not necessarily a problem on that type of road so long as the driver is paying attention and ready to take over. They set a lower max speed in which it can be activated anyway in single carriage way roads - my concern is more that on any road why allow over two mins to pass without stopping rather than just sticking up a nag screen as they seem to do now.It seems Tesla want to give their customers the responsibility to use the various safety systems incorporated into the cars the way they choose. i.e. even they're not designed to handle some types of road. The only way a 'beta' system like this is going to get better is if it's exposed to all sorts of challenges and learns to overcome them with assistance from the driver.
Whether all Tesla owners are responsible or good enough drivers to provide that input is probably the bigger question. I'm wondering whether it might be better to restrict certain features to a sub-set of owners who have specifically signed up to be beta testers and will act responsibly. This is an example of how it can work well:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tacc-contr...
JonV8V said:
It's not necessarily a problem on that type of road so long as the driver is paying attention and ready to take over. They set a lower max speed in which it can be activated anyway in single carriage way roads - my concern is more that on any road why allow over two mins to pass without stopping rather than just sticking up a nag screen as they seem to do now.
I presume because that's how they see it working when driving on a divided freeway i.e. not constantly nagging or alarming if hands are off the wheel for a while.Personally, it's not how I would want to drive and I am 99% certain as of now that I won't be optioning AP on my Model 3 when the time comes. But if I lived in the middle of Texas and drove hundreds of miles along freeways every week, I might have a different view.
JonV8V said:
98elise said:
As I understand it if you ignore the dash message it will give an audible warning, then it will slow the car to a stop and stick the hazards on.
That's what they say, but after their analysis of one of the recent accidents they said it was over two minutes of nagging and it still didn't do slow downThats on a sample of one though, so not conclusive
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