Which PHEV?

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robemcdonald

8,787 posts

196 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Jason. You seem to have one argument: I don't like hybrids. Its not a great argument, but it hasn't stopped you using it on all the threads regarding the subject.
If everyone who has one is wrong then smile to yourself with the satisfaction that you are far more switched on than the rest of us.
Your constant assertion that hybrids are an expensive waste of time just isn't buttering any parsnips.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Rob, sorry you're quite wrong, I do like hybrids, I've one on order. I simply like them for the low bik for a fast, nicely specced car. If you read my last comment I said each car has its merits? Not sure where your negativity comes from.

I can't see them making sense if its not a company car, how spending 25+% over the cost of the 'regular' version makes any real sense?

Edited by jason61c on Monday 18th July 09:08

robemcdonald

8,787 posts

196 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Sorry I've got that wrong. I have misunderstood your posts.

Sorry.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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robemcdonald said:
Sorry I've got that wrong. I have misunderstood your posts.

Sorry.
No worries smile

sawman

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4,919 posts

230 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Managed to get a test drive in golf gte today, i quite liked it actually, gathering speed on to dual carriage way smoother than the volvo i tried last week, steering feel ok and the actual wheel much nicer, seats comfortable but possible not so much as the volvo. So for an extra 20 quid a month will the volvo diesel be any nore economical? I can charge at work most days. Awd might be nice, but overall the golf swemed a decent steer and the gte button is entertaining

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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sawman said:
Managed to get a test drive in golf gte today, i quite liked it actually, gathering speed on to dual carriage way smoother than the volvo i tried last week, steering feel ok and the actual wheel much nicer, seats comfortable but possible not so much as the volvo. So for an extra 20 quid a month will the volvo diesel be any nore economical? I can charge at work most days. Awd might be nice, but overall the golf swemed a decent steer and the gte button is entertaining
Which volvo did you try? The golf gte and a3 etron were some of the worse PHEV's for smoothness.

sawman

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4,919 posts

230 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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jason61c said:
Which volvo did you try? The golf gte and a3 etron were some of the worse PHEV's for smoothness.
D5 twin engine - i think part of the volvos issue is the clattery diesel, i have never had a diesel and the tone is unfamiliar, i think the dsg box in the vw helps it along


Edited by sawman on Saturday 23 July 12:10

DragonflyTrumpeter

227 posts

97 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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jason61c said:
Rob, sorry you're quite wrong, I do like hybrids, I've one on order. I simply like them for the low bik for a fast, nicely specced car. If you read my last comment I said each car has its merits? Not sure where your negativity comes from.

I can't see them making sense if its not a company car, how spending 25+% over the cost of the 'regular' version makes any real sense?

Edited by jason61c on Monday 18th July 09:08
25%+ extra, really? Are BMW the exception to the rule then, only 5% more expensive for the 330e over auto 330i. Possibly cheaper if an outright purchase new car and some olev grant is still an option.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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DragonflyTrumpeter said:
25%+ extra, really? Are BMW the exception to the rule then, only 5% more expensive for the 330e over auto 330i. Possibly cheaper if an outright purchase new car and some olev grant is still an option.
320...

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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sawman said:
D5 twin engine - i think part of the volvos issue is the clattery diesel, i have never had a diesel and the tone is unfamiliar, i think the dsg box in the vw helps it along


Edited by sawman on Saturday 23 July 12:10
see, I'm not a big fan of the DSG box, it shouldn't be clattery, the 5 cyl engine sounds quite nice. I guess its about getting something that suits your needs.

robemcdonald

8,787 posts

196 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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jason61c said:
DragonflyTrumpeter said:
25%+ extra, really? Are BMW the exception to the rule then, only 5% more expensive for the 330e over auto 330i. Possibly cheaper if an outright purchase new car and some olev grant is still an option.
320...
Why would you pitch a 330e against a 320 though? You may as well say it's 40% more than a 316.

The merc and BMW are labelled as 350 and 330 as that's where they fit in the range.

sawman

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4,919 posts

230 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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jason61c said:
see, I'm not a big fan of the DSG box, it shouldn't be clattery, the 5 cyl engine sounds quite nice. I guess its about getting something that suits your needs.
maybe clattery isnt the word - Gruff more like. my current car is a super smooth petrol flat 6 so I think the 5 cyl diesel is just a different character, whereas the vw 4 pot it less alien to my ears

I have been mulling it over all afternoon and I am still torn, both of them suit my purpose ( i dont really need the extra space of the volvo), but it has the advantage of AWD which might be useful in the winter up in Northumberland, whilst the golf seemed a bit more nimble. they are more or less the same cost to me, but the volvo may be cheaper to run overall.

Leggy

1,019 posts

222 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Had a look around the merc C Estate and Volvo V70 today. The latter is so dated inside I couldn't live with it. So merc it will be. Though would be interested to know experience of delivery time. The salesman first said 5 months then back tracked when I laughed.

sawman

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4,919 posts

230 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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the C class is a nice place to sit - apart from the fact that someone seems to have screwed an ipad on the dash

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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the c350e is very nice, air suspension was lovely. it was my choice before the new v60 d5 twin engine and its range engine only mpg.

DragonflyTrumpeter

227 posts

97 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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jason61c said:
DragonflyTrumpeter said:
25%+ extra, really? Are BMW the exception to the rule then, only 5% more expensive for the 330e over auto 330i. Possibly cheaper if an outright purchase new car and some olev grant is still an option.
320...
But why would anybody compare the 252hp 330e with the 184hp 320i and not the 252hp 330i?

It is not a 320e and it certainly does not drive like a 320i, apples and oranges.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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DragonflyTrumpeter said:
But why would anybody compare the 252hp 330e with the 184hp 320i and not the 252hp 330i?

It is not a 320e and it certainly does not drive like a 320i, apples and oranges.
because its designed as a BIK tax dodge, its got the engine of the 320i.


DragonflyTrumpeter

227 posts

97 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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jason61c said:
because its designed as a BIK tax dodge, its got the engine of the 320i.
That is actually quite funny, well done. What do you think of the 252hp 330i?

robemcdonald

8,787 posts

196 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Didn't know a lot about the Volvo as it wasn't announced when's made my choice.

Looking into it there see to be a couple of potential problems:

1. It's AWD which will prevent it being a choice for a large percentage of company car drivers.
2. In the affordable, but basic SE poverty spec its performance (0-60 in 6.7 seconds particuarly) make it closer to a rep spec BMW orMerc.
3. The quicker r design version is hilariously priced at £53,000. The base price of a Tesla model S.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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robemcdonald said:
Didn't know a lot about the Volvo as it wasn't announced when's made my choice.

Looking into it there see to be a couple of potential problems:

1. It's AWD which will prevent it being a choice for a large percentage of company car drivers.
2. In the affordable, but basic SE poverty spec its performance (0-60 in 6.7 seconds particuarly) make it closer to a rep spec BMW orMerc.
3. The quicker r design version is hilariously priced at £53,000. The base price of a Tesla model S.
1. Its not AWD, its got the facility to be with enough charge for a limited range, same as the bmw 225xe etc. Its made for company car drivers, not sure why its not suited? Its also got a normal 500+mile range.

2. They only do it in SE Nav spec, which is better specced than the c350e and bmw 330e, proper leather for a start, 6.7 to 60 is still quick, as quick as the merc estate, its also got more combined torque for the useful areas of 40-80mph. Its real world quick.

3. The d6 version isn't the one being discussed, its a bonkers price, but did come out a few years ago.


Edited by jason61c on Sunday 24th July 08:48